EDL and the England V Ireland match

haydar

With all that has happened in England over the past week I wonder should we be worried will the EDL will do anything stupid at the England V Ireland match?

Judging by the atmosphere of hate I have seen on twitter and on other websites I'm worried something will kick off

irelandspurs

Doubt it.

DEFTLEFTHAND

The Irish keyboard warriors like to rise them online also in fairness. I think things will pass off ok, the majority of folks on both sides aren't trouble makers.

The Chelsea Headhunters's an anti Irish group should be watched for by anyone travelling over though. I remember a Crystal Palace fan telling me how he couldnt understand how any ROI citizen could support Chelsea.

Optimalprimerib

Call me an idiot but what the **** is the EDL?

deco nate

haydar wrote: »

With all that has happened in England over the past week I wonder should we be worried will the EDL will do anything stupid at the England V Ireland match?

Judging by the atmosphere of hate I have seen on twitter and on other websites I'm worried something will kick off

not gonna happen,its a bs idea to post.
most people are down to earth so why in
hell are you askin this ****e?irish are the
good guys now!didnt you get the memo?
ffs!

deco nate

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

Call me an idiot but what the **** is the EDL?

ok i will.....IDIOT!!
english defence league

Optimalprimerib

deco nate wrote: »

ok i will.....IDIOT!!
english defence league

TVM

ringadingding

They are mainly against Muslims in the uk, The Irish are not really a concern to them.


That being said, tensions are running very high in the uk this week, so a potential for trouble will be there, especially as a lot of the EDL are loosely based on football hooligan groups, who are itching for a fight.

Good policing will stop anything happening

haydar

deco nate wrote: »

not gonna happen,its a bs idea to post.
most people are down to earth so why in
hell are you askin this ****e?irish are the
good guys now!didnt you get the memo?
ffs!

Saw a lot of them singing "no surrender to the IRA" in a few youtube videos.

I know the majority of the English fans won't cause trouble but with tensions a bit higher over the soldier who was murdered, I thought maybe it might spill over into the day of the match.

Was just askin

iDave

We'll sing Fields of Athenry and all will be grand

DEFTLEFTHAND

iDave wrote: »

We'll sing Fields of Athenry and all will be grand

The English might boo it down like the Irish booed Sweet Chariot in Lansdowne this year.

Fratton Fred

haydar wrote: »

Saw a lot of them singing "no surrender to the IRA" in a few youtube videos.

I know the majority of the English fans won't cause trouble but with tensions a bit higher over the soldier who was murdered, I thought maybe it might spill over into the day of the match.

Was just askin

There will be no trouble at all.

Menas

haydar wrote: »

Saw a lot of them singing "no surrender to the IRA" in a few youtube videos.

I know the majority of the English fans won't cause trouble but with tensions a bit higher over the soldier who was murdered, I thought maybe it might spill over into the day of the match.

Was just askin

Combat 18, were singing that at landsdowne in 96, it is an old refrain of theirs. The context of this match is very different to what it was in 96. There will be no trouble.

DEFTLEFTHAND

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Combat 18, were singing that at landsdowne in 96, it is an old refrain of theirs. The context of this match is very different to what it was in 96. There will be no trouble.

Apart from fringe groups causing a stir, remember it's not only the Headhunters who have an aversion to Paddies.

Personally I agree with you though. I don't see trouble in this fixture, the Irish adore English football and all the supporters clubs know that as well, most view them as Bros, nearly every club in the 4 League divisions has an Irish chapter at this stage.

mattjack

haydar wrote: »

With all that has happened in England over the past week I wonder should we be worried will the EDL will do anything stupid at the England V Ireland match?

Judging by the atmosphere of hate I have seen on twitter and on other websites I'm worried something will kick off

Stop looking at Twitter and other websites and you'll be fine.
Maybe turn of the PC too , enjoy the bit of sun .

elefant

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Apart from fringe groups causing a stir, remember it's not only the Headhunters who have an aversion to Paddies.

Personally I agree with you though. I don't see trouble in this fixture, the Irish adore English football and all the supporters clubs know that as well, most view them as Bros, nearly every club in the 4 League divisions has an Irish chapter at this stage.

At the Europa League final there were a couple of walloped Chelsea fans standing in the food/drinks area at half time, stopping people in Chelsea shirts and asking slightly aggressively if they were English. One lad tells them 'no' and the Chelsea duo look disgusted until he says 'I'm Irish'. Their attitude changed immediately, and one says 'Ah, Irish. Great! That's alright. I've even seen loads of Germans wearing Chelsea shirts tonight'.

DEFTLEFTHAND

elefant wrote: »

At the Europa League final there were a couple of walloped Chelsea fans standing in the food/drinks area at half time, stopping people in Chelsea shirts and asking slightly aggressively if they were English. One lad tells them 'no' and the Chelsea duo look disgusted until he says 'I'm Irish'. Their attitude changed immediately, and one says 'Ah, Irish. Great! That's alright. I've even seen loads of Germans wearing Chelsea shirts tonight'.

Research the Headhunters, and their involvement with unionist paramilitary groups in NI.

'Pull the shirt off the mick', a game they'd play once they identified the southern Paddy in their mix during a match. They're a different breed to the Millwall animals because a lot of their members work as professionals. Middle to upper class in other words.

fryup

nevermind the EDL how about setanta ireland stirrin it up with their promos for the game talking about the last they met it had to be abandoned its time to finish the match and various irish papers taking a similar line...i mean all this talk of trouble will only feed into people's minds

Cantona's Collars

Optimalprimerib wrote: »

Call me an idiot but what the **** is the EDL?

Was this you?

http://abload.de/img/post-6304-0-31546200-t5xmc.png

Manc-Red

There won't be any trouble at all at this.

There are always narrow minded arseholes that will boo...

Who cares?

greenflash

English and Irish will be mixed all over the ground with practically no segregation as many thousands of Irish here and in England have bought tickets directly from the FA. There's a lot less anti-Paddy sentiment in England than many here would like there to be.

I wouldn't worry about hooligan firms unless you're looking for a little action yourself. Football violence typically isn't started by gargled up mongs, clueless about going to football (which is the majority of Ireland's support).

If anyone is seriously worried about this game, maybe you should consider either watching it from behind the sofa and peeping through a wall of cushions or just stick to baking scones or grooming poodles for a hobby.

Any Irish who go over there walking round in English club jerseys, or waving tricolours with English teams written on them deserve a good hiding IMO. You are not supporters of those teams but the real fans appreciate the comedy value you provide.

Il Trap

mattjack wrote: »

Stop looking at Twitter and other websites and you'll be fine.
Maybe turn of the PC too , enjoy the bit of The Sun .

Ah here, I can't imagine that's much better! :pac:

Sin City

So do we start off with a 1-0 lead or...............

Hoop66

greenflash wrote: »

English and Irish will be mixed all over the ground with practically no segregation as many thousands of Irish here and in England have bought tickets directly from the FA. There's a lot less anti-Paddy sentiment in England than many here would like there to be.

I wouldn't worry about hooligan firms unless you're looking for a little action yourself. Football violence typically isn't started by gargled up mongs, clueless about going to football (which is the majority of Ireland's support).

If anyone is seriously worried about this game, maybe you should consider either watching it from behind the sofa and peeping through a wall of cushions or just stick to baking scones or grooming poodles for a hobby.

Any Irish who go over there walking round in English club jerseys, or waving tricolours with English teams written on them deserve a good hiding IMO. You are not supporters of those teams but the real fans appreciate the comedy value you provide.

Well Brian, it's the first entry for bellend of the week, and a fantastic start.

The lads coming up will find it hard to top this post's air of superiority and hint of internet tough guy.

Game on!

suicide_circus

English Defense League? is that some kind of trade union for England capped defenders? are Ferdinand, Cole and Lescott involved?

greenflash

Hoop66 wrote: »

Well Brian, it's the first entry for bellend of the week, and a fantastic start.

The lads coming up will find it hard to top this post's air of superiority and hint of internet tough guy.

Game on!

Thanks. I think I covered pretty much everything in just one post.

DEFTLEFTHAND

suicide_circus wrote: »

English Defense League? is that some kind of trade union for England capped defenders? are Ferdinand, Cole and Lescott involved?

A marginal group who are too afraid to put forward their full views. Foreigners especially negroes are their main bugbear.

greenflash

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

A marginal group who are too afraid to put forward their full views. Foreigners especially negroes are their main bugbear.

Wrong. On the surface they are primarily concerned with Islamic fundamentalism in England and the need to protect English culture from Shariah law. They have, in the past, paraded black and Asian members to prove their non-racist credentials.

Underneath that they are racist thugs who will take a scrap wherever they can get one.

DEFTLEFTHAND

greenflash wrote: »

Wrong. On the surface they are primarily concerned with Islamic fundamentalism in England and the need to protect English culture from Shariah law. They have, in the past, paraded black and Asian members to prove their non-racist credentials.

Underneath that they are racist thugs who will take a scrap wherever they can get one.

The Klan under Duke also tried to reform and parade black members to prove it, Culminating in organising a rally to support Barack Obama as the Dem candidate in 08, to them a woman candidate was far worse than a black.

They're still a bunch of racists, especially considering in modern day that no one person or entity controls the KKK, it's split nationwide into different factions and Duke's words mean nothing anymore. Worryingly also membership is growing at a rate not seen since the 1920s.

Of course whites should have a representative body but I don't want chapters of the Klan speaking for me.

KingOfFairview

They'll try and swish the mickeys off us lads

St.Spodo

I don't think there'll be too much trouble at this match. The Troubles are over, policing at games is much better now and the far right in England don't seem to care about the Irish anymore. Expect a few arrests/scuffles but nothing for the tabloid press to get their teeth into.

L1011

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I remember a Crystal Palace fan telling me how he couldnt understand how any ROI citizen could support Chelsea.

I don't understand how anyone can support Crystal Palace, though

DEFTLEFTHAND

MYOB wrote: »

I don't understand how anyone can support Crystal Palace, though

The pride of south London, the mighty Eagles.

English fans follow their own, for the most part they don't jump on any trophy whoring bandwagons.

L1011

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The pride of south London, the mighty Eagles.

English fans follow their own, for the most part they don't jump on any trophy whoring bandwagons.

I wasn't aware anyone actually lived at night in Croydon other than looters and arsonists though :pac:

DEFTLEFTHAND

MYOB wrote: »

I wasn't aware anyone actually lived at night in Croydon other than looters and arsonists though :pac:

Ah there's a few decent folk around there too. They still worship Charlie Richardson though, anybody by the name of Kray is an automatic scumbag. I think there was a petition a while back to rename the Holmesdale stand in Selhurst Park. :pac:

JD DABA

we're so gonna lose.

I want the 96 one called as an Ireland win.

At the end of the game we had more goals ... Im counting that as a technical win.

blueser

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The pride of south London, the mighty Eagles.

English fans follow their own, for the most part they don't jump on any trophy whoring bandwagons.

Apart from a particular club in the North-West of England who, for some unknown reason, a lot of Londoners support/follow. Remember the Chelsea fans at this club's ground this season; ''we'll race you back to London''; brilliant!

dd972

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Research the Headhunters, and their involvement with unionist paramilitary groups in NI.

'Pull the shirt off the mick', a game they'd play once they identified the southern Paddy in their mix during a match. They're a different breed to the Millwall animals because a lot of their members work as professionals. Middle to upper class in other words.

These 'Loyalists' and Rangers 'fans' are just attracted by the macho posturing element of Loyalism, they know bugger all about Glasgow or NI, just losers from places like Staines and Slough who've got no cultures, identities or accents.

Their Irish counterparts will be in the Ireland end with their ears pricked up intent on picking up the English accent of Dermot O'Callaghan-Fitzpatrick whom they consider a Tan and a Brit and stripped of all vestiges of holy, sacred Irishness just because his parents moved to London in the 60's.

Neither set of buffoons are worthy of any attention.

Paz-CCFC

blueser wrote: »

Apart from a particular club in the North-West of England who, for some unknown reason, a lot of Londoners support/follow. Remember the Chelsea fans at this club's ground this season; ''we'll race you back to London''; brilliant!

The same reason why a lot of Irish people support English clubs?

dd972

blueser wrote: »

Apart from a particular club in the North-West of England who, for some unknown reason, a lot of Londoners support/follow. Remember the Chelsea fans at this club's ground this season; ''we'll race you back to London''; brilliant!

The reasons why Londoners support Man Utd or Liverpool are myriad, it could merely be down to the attraction of the clubs and their footballing heritage, call that gloryhunting if you want, or they might have familial ties to the North West or even be of Irish background and see those clubs as a better fit, all the football teams in the South East of England have a miserable, aggressive, Sun reading, charmless Estuary accented element in their support base and maybe they just don't want to be associated with that.

dd972

dd972 wrote: »

The reasons why Londoners support Man Utd or Liverpool are myriad, it could merely be down to the attraction of the clubs and their footballing heritage, call that gloryhunting if you want, or they might have familial ties to the North West or even be of Irish background and see those clubs as a better fit, all the football teams in the South East of England have a miserable, aggressive, Sun reading, charmless Estuary accented element in their support base and maybe they just don't want to be associated with that.

Cheers

My local team, whom I support have already been mentioned in a bad light in this thread. I'm proud not to jump on the bandwagon of a more successful team.

If you don't agree, I'm gonna nut ya! :pac:

Duckworth_Luas

If the EDL required a full family tree of any prospective members they'd demand their own disbandment.

Lots have Irish connections anyway according to the Times

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/english-defence-league-has-short-but-violent-history-1.1404661

Matt_Trakker

It's fairly well known that Wembley being in an "Irish" area of London that there are often organised fights between English hooligans and their "Irish" counterparts.
But as I say, they're organised, the random fan will probably be OK...............probably.

SharpshooterTom

The irony is that the EDL are lead by an Irishman of sorts.

So just remind them of that everytime they give out guff. You are lead by a fenian.

getzls

haydar wrote: »

With all that has happened in England over the past week I wonder should we be worried will the EDL will do anything stupid at the England V Ireland match?

Judging by the atmosphere of hate I have seen on twitter and on other websites I'm worried something will kick off

Why?

Are there any Jihadists going? Any militant Islamists going?

blueser

dd972 wrote: »

The reasons why Londoners support Man Utd or Liverpool are myriad, it could merely be down to the attraction of the clubs and their footballing heritage, call that gloryhunting if you want, or they might have familial ties to the North West or even be of Irish background and see those clubs as a better fit, all the football teams in the South East of England have a miserable, aggressive, Sun reading, charmless Estuary accented element in their support base and maybe they just don't want to be associated with that.

Possibly. But I was born and bred in Manchester and have supported City since the early seventies (born in '62 so I was too young to be fully aware of the achievements in the Mercer/Allison era) and I was brought up about 5 minutes walk from Maine Road and City fans, like fans of most other clubs in England, view these types of ''out of town'' fans with disdain. You should really be supporting the local club in your area. That's why I take my hat off to the fans of clubs like Oldham, Bury, Rochdale, Stockport County etc etc who go every week to support their local side, even though they are within easy travelling distance of Manchester or Liverpool. As for the family link, well; it's an argument, I suppose. Not a theory I'd go along with, but each to their own. Anyway, back on topic. I can't see there being any significant trouble at Wembley. Of course there'll be boozed up English fans who'll be giving it the old ''no surrender blah blah etc etc'', but most English fns will just be there to watch the game. If any Irish fans go over and start dishing out the verbals, they'll find neanderthals ready to start trouble. Out from that, there'll be no bother.

DEFTLEFTHAND

blueser wrote: »

Possibly. But I was born and bred in Manchester and have supported City since the early seventies (born in '62 so I was too young to be fully aware of the achievements in the Mercer/Allison era) and I was brought up about 5 minutes walk from Maine Road and City fans, like fans of most other clubs in England, view these types of ''out of town'' fans with disdain. You should really be supporting the local club in your area. That's why I take my hat off to the fans of clubs like Oldham, Bury, Rochdale, Stockport County etc etc who go every week to support their local side, even though they are within easy travelling distance of Manchester or Liverpool. As for the family link, well; it's an argument, I suppose. Not a theory I'd go along with, but each to their own. Anyway, back on topic. I can't see there being any significant trouble at Wembley. Of course there'll be boozed up English fans who'll be giving it the old ''no surrender blah blah etc etc'', but most English fns will just be there to watch the game. If any Irish fans go over and start dishing out the verbals, they'll find neanderthals ready to start trouble. Out from that, there'll be no bother.

We don't get that here and we're missing out, they won't support LOI because the standard is sh1t. I'm sure Rochdale vs York City is poor fair also, it's about getting behind your own, being a real supporter, a fan of the game. It's very easy to hitch on to a successful Prem clubs wagon and ride it to the stars.

TINA1984

There'll be uncouth singing from both sets of supporters, tasteless chants and unpleasant booing. in otherwords, a lively atmosphere for what is an end of season meaningles friendly, Any trouble will probably be away from the ground from the neanderthal locals with no match tickets.

Thankfully brown people are the enemy these days for Englands nasty element.

dd972

I understand what you're saying Blueser, but there's something about being 'local' and everything attached to it that grates a little with me, why can't someone from Plymouth support Anderlecht if that's their wont?

I remember seeing an article on TV about a German guy from Duisburg who's a fanatical Nottm Forest supporter and goes to most of their matches, why not and good luck to them, is my attitude.

The Shels and Bohs fans who hate the Premiership and Irish based fans are missing the point, if the two countries situations and populaces were inverted, there'd be Shels and Boh's fans all over England. It's simply how things have panned out historically, if we'd had a populace of 10+ million, spoke Irish as our first language and were never colonised, we'd have a league similar to the Belgian or Danish one and less interest in the EPL.

TINA1984

dd972 wrote: »

The Shels and Bohs fans who hate the Premiership and Irish based fans are missing the point, if the two countries situations and populaces were inverted, there'd be Shels and Boh's fans all over England. It's simply how things have panned out historically, if we'd had a populace of 10+ million, spoke Irish as our first language and were never colonised, we'd have a league similar to the Belgian or Danish one and less interest in the EPL.

Not really, countries with similar population profiles and large leagues on their doorsteps, like the Scandanavian countries, have healthy well supported doemstic leagues, as well as a strong interest in the EPL.

Here in Ireland, football was the original working class game, hence its long term popularity in working class area's in Dublin, Cork, Limerick etc.

The explosion in support of Ireland amongst the rural population and middle classes in the late 1980s and early 1990s coincided nicely with the advent of the EPL, hence noobs to the game bypassed our league completely and adopted a successful English club team to complement their support for the national team.

Israeli Superiority

The guy who founded the EDL is of Irish decent. I don't think we'll have any trouble at the game.