EDL and the England V Ireland match

L1011 · 25-05-2013 11:52AM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I remember a Crystal Palace fan telling me how he couldnt understand how any ROI citizen could support Chelsea.

I don't understand how anyone can support Crystal Palace, though

DEFTLEFTHAND · 25-05-2013 11:57AM

MYOB wrote: »

I don't understand how anyone can support Crystal Palace, though

The pride of south London, the mighty Eagles.

English fans follow their own, for the most part they don't jump on any trophy whoring bandwagons.

L1011 · 25-05-2013 12:03PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The pride of south London, the mighty Eagles.

English fans follow their own, for the most part they don't jump on any trophy whoring bandwagons.

I wasn't aware anyone actually lived at night in Croydon other than looters and arsonists though :pac:

DEFTLEFTHAND · 25-05-2013 12:12PM

MYOB wrote: »

I wasn't aware anyone actually lived at night in Croydon other than looters and arsonists though :pac:

Ah there's a few decent folk around there too. They still worship Charlie Richardson though, anybody by the name of Kray is an automatic scumbag. I think there was a petition a while back to rename the Holmesdale stand in Selhurst Park. :pac:

JD DABA · 25-05-2013 12:24PM

we're so gonna lose.

I want the 96 one called as an Ireland win.

At the end of the game we had more goals ... Im counting that as a technical win.

blueser · 25-05-2013 12:35PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

The pride of south London, the mighty Eagles.

English fans follow their own, for the most part they don't jump on any trophy whoring bandwagons.

Apart from a particular club in the North-West of England who, for some unknown reason, a lot of Londoners support/follow. Remember the Chelsea fans at this club's ground this season; ''we'll race you back to London''; brilliant!

dd972 · 25-05-2013 12:37PM

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Research the Headhunters, and their involvement with unionist paramilitary groups in NI.

'Pull the shirt off the mick', a game they'd play once they identified the southern Paddy in their mix during a match. They're a different breed to the Millwall animals because a lot of their members work as professionals. Middle to upper class in other words.

These 'Loyalists' and Rangers 'fans' are just attracted by the macho posturing element of Loyalism, they know bugger all about Glasgow or NI, just losers from places like Staines and Slough who've got no cultures, identities or accents.

Their Irish counterparts will be in the Ireland end with their ears pricked up intent on picking up the English accent of Dermot O'Callaghan-Fitzpatrick whom they consider a Tan and a Brit and stripped of all vestiges of holy, sacred Irishness just because his parents moved to London in the 60's.

Neither set of buffoons are worthy of any attention.

Paz-CCFC · 25-05-2013 01:06PM

blueser wrote: »

Apart from a particular club in the North-West of England who, for some unknown reason, a lot of Londoners support/follow. Remember the Chelsea fans at this club's ground this season; ''we'll race you back to London''; brilliant!

The same reason why a lot of Irish people support English clubs?

dd972 · 25-05-2013 01:12PM

blueser wrote: »

Apart from a particular club in the North-West of England who, for some unknown reason, a lot of Londoners support/follow. Remember the Chelsea fans at this club's ground this season; ''we'll race you back to London''; brilliant!

The reasons why Londoners support Man Utd or Liverpool are myriad, it could merely be down to the attraction of the clubs and their footballing heritage, call that gloryhunting if you want, or they might have familial ties to the North West or even be of Irish background and see those clubs as a better fit, all the football teams in the South East of England have a miserable, aggressive, Sun reading, charmless Estuary accented element in their support base and maybe they just don't want to be associated with that.

25-05-2013 01:25PM

dd972 wrote: »

The reasons why Londoners support Man Utd or Liverpool are myriad, it could merely be down to the attraction of the clubs and their footballing heritage, call that gloryhunting if you want, or they might have familial ties to the North West or even be of Irish background and see those clubs as a better fit, all the football teams in the South East of England have a miserable, aggressive, Sun reading, charmless Estuary accented element in their support base and maybe they just don't want to be associated with that.

Cheers

My local team, whom I support have already been mentioned in a bad light in this thread. I'm proud not to jump on the bandwagon of a more successful team.

If you don't agree, I'm gonna nut ya! :pac:

Duckworth_Luas · 25-05-2013 01:27PM

If the EDL required a full family tree of any prospective members they'd demand their own disbandment.

Lots have Irish connections anyway according to the Times

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/uk/english-defence-league-has-short-but-violent-history-1.1404661

Matt_Trakker · 25-05-2013 01:43PM

It's fairly well known that Wembley being in an "Irish" area of London that there are often organised fights between English hooligans and their "Irish" counterparts.
But as I say, they're organised, the random fan will probably be OK...............probably.

SharpshooterTom · 25-05-2013 01:56PM

The irony is that the EDL are lead by an Irishman of sorts.

So just remind them of that everytime they give out guff. You are lead by a fenian.

getzls · 25-05-2013 01:57PM

haydar wrote: »

With all that has happened in England over the past week I wonder should we be worried will the EDL will do anything stupid at the England V Ireland match?

Judging by the atmosphere of hate I have seen on twitter and on other websites I'm worried something will kick off

Why?

Are there any Jihadists going? Any militant Islamists going?

blueser · 25-05-2013 02:00PM

dd972 wrote: »

The reasons why Londoners support Man Utd or Liverpool are myriad, it could merely be down to the attraction of the clubs and their footballing heritage, call that gloryhunting if you want, or they might have familial ties to the North West or even be of Irish background and see those clubs as a better fit, all the football teams in the South East of England have a miserable, aggressive, Sun reading, charmless Estuary accented element in their support base and maybe they just don't want to be associated with that.

Possibly. But I was born and bred in Manchester and have supported City since the early seventies (born in '62 so I was too young to be fully aware of the achievements in the Mercer/Allison era) and I was brought up about 5 minutes walk from Maine Road and City fans, like fans of most other clubs in England, view these types of ''out of town'' fans with disdain. You should really be supporting the local club in your area. That's why I take my hat off to the fans of clubs like Oldham, Bury, Rochdale, Stockport County etc etc who go every week to support their local side, even though they are within easy travelling distance of Manchester or Liverpool. As for the family link, well; it's an argument, I suppose. Not a theory I'd go along with, but each to their own. Anyway, back on topic. I can't see there being any significant trouble at Wembley. Of course there'll be boozed up English fans who'll be giving it the old ''no surrender blah blah etc etc'', but most English fns will just be there to watch the game. If any Irish fans go over and start dishing out the verbals, they'll find neanderthals ready to start trouble. Out from that, there'll be no bother.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 25-05-2013 02:19PM

blueser wrote: »

Possibly. But I was born and bred in Manchester and have supported City since the early seventies (born in '62 so I was too young to be fully aware of the achievements in the Mercer/Allison era) and I was brought up about 5 minutes walk from Maine Road and City fans, like fans of most other clubs in England, view these types of ''out of town'' fans with disdain. You should really be supporting the local club in your area. That's why I take my hat off to the fans of clubs like Oldham, Bury, Rochdale, Stockport County etc etc who go every week to support their local side, even though they are within easy travelling distance of Manchester or Liverpool. As for the family link, well; it's an argument, I suppose. Not a theory I'd go along with, but each to their own. Anyway, back on topic. I can't see there being any significant trouble at Wembley. Of course there'll be boozed up English fans who'll be giving it the old ''no surrender blah blah etc etc'', but most English fns will just be there to watch the game. If any Irish fans go over and start dishing out the verbals, they'll find neanderthals ready to start trouble. Out from that, there'll be no bother.

We don't get that here and we're missing out, they won't support LOI because the standard is sh1t. I'm sure Rochdale vs York City is poor fair also, it's about getting behind your own, being a real supporter, a fan of the game. It's very easy to hitch on to a successful Prem clubs wagon and ride it to the stars.

TINA1984 · 25-05-2013 02:55PM

There'll be uncouth singing from both sets of supporters, tasteless chants and unpleasant booing. in otherwords, a lively atmosphere for what is an end of season meaningles friendly, Any trouble will probably be away from the ground from the neanderthal locals with no match tickets.

Thankfully brown people are the enemy these days for Englands nasty element.

dd972 · 25-05-2013 03:01PM

I understand what you're saying Blueser, but there's something about being 'local' and everything attached to it that grates a little with me, why can't someone from Plymouth support Anderlecht if that's their wont?

I remember seeing an article on TV about a German guy from Duisburg who's a fanatical Nottm Forest supporter and goes to most of their matches, why not and good luck to them, is my attitude.

The Shels and Bohs fans who hate the Premiership and Irish based fans are missing the point, if the two countries situations and populaces were inverted, there'd be Shels and Boh's fans all over England. It's simply how things have panned out historically, if we'd had a populace of 10+ million, spoke Irish as our first language and were never colonised, we'd have a league similar to the Belgian or Danish one and less interest in the EPL.

TINA1984 · 25-05-2013 03:06PM

dd972 wrote: »

The Shels and Bohs fans who hate the Premiership and Irish based fans are missing the point, if the two countries situations and populaces were inverted, there'd be Shels and Boh's fans all over England. It's simply how things have panned out historically, if we'd had a populace of 10+ million, spoke Irish as our first language and were never colonised, we'd have a league similar to the Belgian or Danish one and less interest in the EPL.

Not really, countries with similar population profiles and large leagues on their doorsteps, like the Scandanavian countries, have healthy well supported doemstic leagues, as well as a strong interest in the EPL.

Here in Ireland, football was the original working class game, hence its long term popularity in working class area's in Dublin, Cork, Limerick etc.

The explosion in support of Ireland amongst the rural population and middle classes in the late 1980s and early 1990s coincided nicely with the advent of the EPL, hence noobs to the game bypassed our league completely and adopted a successful English club team to complement their support for the national team.

Israeli Superiority · 25-05-2013 03:16PM

The guy who founded the EDL is of Irish decent. I don't think we'll have any trouble at the game.

blueser · 25-05-2013 03:22PM

dd972 wrote: »

I understand what you're saying Blueser, but there's something about being 'local' and everything attached to it that grates a little with me, why can't someone from Plymouth support Anderlecht if that's their wont?

I remember seeing an article on TV about a German guy from Duisburg who's a fanatical Nottm Forest supporter and goes to most of their matches, why not and good luck to them, is my attitude.

The Shels and Bohs fans who hate the Premiership and Irish based fans are missing the point, if the two countries situations and populaces were inverted, there'd be Shels and Boh's fans all over England. It's simply how things have panned out historically, if we'd had a populace of 10+ million, spoke Irish as our first language and were never colonised, we'd have a league similar to the Belgian or Danish one and less interest in the EPL.

I guess it's just down to different outlooks depending on your nationality. As I said earlier, I am English for my sins (parents Irish though!), and like most partisan fans in England, the out of town support that certain clubs bring to their games really grates with me. If you're from Plymouth, or Hartlepool, or Cochester, or, or, or ad infinitum, then why not support your local club? They need the money more then the aforementioned ''big'' clubs do. In those cases,it's gloryhunting, pure and simple. As you said, that's entirely their choice; it's just not what I would understand a true fan as being. Ah well; c'est la vie. Now; if you'll excuse me, I'm off for a lie down in a darkened room.

purplepanda · 25-05-2013 03:24PM

dd972 wrote: »

The reasons why Londoners support Man Utd or Liverpool are myriad, it could merely be down to the attraction of the clubs and their footballing heritage, call that gloryhunting if you want, or they might have familial ties to the North West or even be of Irish background and see those clubs as a better fit, all the football teams in the South East of England have a miserable, aggressive, Sun reading, charmless Estuary accented element in their support base and maybe they just don't want to be associated with that.

Why would Man U or Liverpool be a 'better fit" for Irish fans in London? Arsenal easily have the largest contingent of Irish supporters of London clubs, much more than Utd or Liverpool in the city. Their local support base has a large Irish community and the club still has many Irish supporters from their rivals catchment areas.

In the late '70's & '80's many Irish fans actually stopped supporting Chelsea were they were often abused & attacked & changed to Arsenal.

I know plenty of irish lads who started following Arsenal after moving over to London, over a dozen of them are season ticket holders, others have moved back again & still kept their season tickets.

There's a reason why many counties like Mayo, Galway, Sligo ect have large Arsenal support, because of family ties to North London. I'd say Mayo is also the most popular county background in the area.

devildriver · 25-05-2013 03:28PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PL1jDcAHkc8

Here's a much circulated video of a member of the EDL explaining their views.

dd972 · 25-05-2013 03:32PM

purplepanda wrote: »

Why would Man U or Liverpool be a 'better fit" for Irish fans in London? Arsenal easily have the largest contingent of Irish supporters of London clubs, much more than Utd or Liverpool in the city. Their local support base has a large Irish community and the club still has many Irish supporters from their rivals catchment areas.
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I just think a 1st or 2nd generation Irish person albeit in London is closer to a Scouser or Mancunian in terms of friendliness, humour and outlook on life than some Sun reading herbert with a Ray Winstone accent and Richard Littlejohn views. A lot of Northern English and Scots ( even Rangers fans ) exiled in suburban London tend to gravitate to Irish pubs as they find them warmer, friendlier and more like where they come from.

Wacker The Attacker · 25-05-2013 03:33PM

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Combat 18, were singing that at landsdowne in 96, it is an old refrain of theirs. The context of this match is very different to what it was in 96. There will be no trouble.

95

devildriver · 25-05-2013 03:34PM

Of course some enterprising soul had to go and do this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5VDbu-HLMs

Wacker The Attacker · 25-05-2013 03:35PM

I'll be more than surprised to see any trouble at this game. Its always a possibility but not a likelihood

Wacker The Attacker · 25-05-2013 03:38PM

dd972 wrote: »

I understand what you're saying Blueser, but there's something about being 'local' and everything attached to it that grates a little with me, why can't someone from Plymouth support Anderlecht if that's their wont?

I remember seeing an article on TV about a German guy from Duisburg who's a fanatical Nottm Forest supporter and goes to most of their matches, why not and good luck to them, is my attitude.

The Shels and Bohs fans who hate the Premiership and Irish based fans are missing the point, if the two countries situations and populaces were inverted, there'd be Shels and Boh's fans all over England. It's simply how things have panned out historically, if we'd had a populace of 10+ million, spoke Irish as our first language and were never colonised, we'd have a league similar to the Belgian or Danish one and less interest in the EPL.

I've a bohs and aston villa season ticket.

Why not do both?

smemon · 25-05-2013 03:46PM

It would have been different had we Roy Keane, McAteer and a few loopers on the pitch who'd through themselves around and get everyone all hot and bothered.

As things stand, players & fans have mellowed since 95 and both are more professional in conduct. Add to that the fact it's a smaller world now and London police are among the best in the world, I don't think we'll see any more trouble than we would at a normal international match.

There'll possibly be a few arrests and the usual drunken messes in the city somewhere but that'll just be handbags.

On the pitch, we do hold a 1-0 lead thanks to that David Kelly goal :pac:

25-05-2013 03:48PM

Wacker The Attacker wrote: »

I've a bohs and aston villa season ticket.

Why not do both?

Exactly. It's a myth that League of Ireland fans despise the Premiership. 99% of them (Including myself) watch it as well as their own team. Why wouldn't they? They just happen to like going to weekly games also and supporting their local clubs at matches. They compliment it then by watching Premiership on tv. its easy to do both, games don't clash.

EDL and the England V Ireland match

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