Huge riots in Stockholm for the past 5 days and it seems a bit under-reported

seven_eleven

So for the past 5 nights, there have been widescale riots in Stockholm, Sweden, and the majority of the media outlets have not been focusing on this, instead including tiny articles here and there like nobody cares.

Dragged this one off google: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/05/24/stockholm-riots-stretch-into-fifth-night/

More than a dozen cars were torched and schools, shops and a police station were set ablaze as riots swept through Stockholm’s immigrant-dominated suburbs for the fifth straight night, police and firefighters said Friday.


Police plan to call in reinforcements to help quell the riots, but parents and volunteer organisations who have patrolled the streets in recent nights have helped decrease their intensity, police spokesman Kjell Lindgren said.
The riots have shattered Sweden’s image abroad as a peaceful and egalitarian nation, and sparked a domestic debate about the assimilation of immigrants, who make up about 15 percent of the population.


Firefighters were dispatched to 70 different locations in greater Stockholm overnight, extinguishing torched cars, dumpsters and buildings, including three schools, the fire department wrote on Twitter.


That was calmer than the previous night, when they handled 90 incidents.
Lindgren said 13 people had been arrested, between the ages of 17 and 26, but no injuries were reported.


One of the rioters in the suburb of Husby told Swedish Radio that racism was rampant where he lived, and that violence was his only way of being noticed.


“We burned cars, threw rocks at police, at police cars. But it’s good, because now people know what Husby is… This is the only way to be heard,” said the rioter, identified only by the pseudonym Kim.
In Rinkeby, one of the city’s immigrant-dominated areas, six cars parked alongside each other were torched, according to an AFP photographer on the scene.

Other links I found are here

http://www.euronews.com/2013/05/24/stockholm-riots-provoke-questions-about-sweden-s-immigrants/

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22636288


It seems most of these riots are caused by immigrants in the immigrant dominated area's.
And in related news, Sweden recently became the rape capital of the world, defeating South Africa. Although the stats are a bit questionable to be honest, but that doesnt mean they should be ignored. Anybody care to guess why?

I'm probably going to be immediately regarded as a racist, seeing as thats how things tend to work these days, but its clear there is some serious immigration and cultural issues in sweden that need to be sorted out. But people are too afraid to say anything, referring to me previous point.

RayCon

RTE News reported it at lunchtime ....

endacl

I batted an eye.

snubbleste

I'm sure if it was Boston or Brisbane, t'would be news

seven_eleven

RayCon wrote: »

RTE News reported it at lunchtime ....

As I said, small articles and reports here and there. Sky News, RTE, BBC, nor Al Jazeera have it on the front pages of their websites. To be honest I'm only surprised at Al Jazeera for this seeing as they're a decent news source unlike the first 3 listed

baalthor

It's been on Sky News all day

endacl

snubbleste wrote: »

I'm sure if it was Boston or Brisbane, t'would be news

But it is news. It was on the news.

Specialun

I cried

Chips Lovell

seven_eleven wrote: »

...the majority of the media outlets have not been focusing on this, instead including tiny articles here and there like nobody cares.

That's funny because I've seen it on the Irish Times, Irish Independent, RTE, BBC, Wall Street Journal, Washington Post to name a few.

seamus

There are little no injuries. They're riots, but not particularly violent ones, therefore less newsworthy. If they start rioting like the middle east and 20 or 30 people per day are being killed, then you'll see it everywhere.

Mr Benevolent

Meh, it's Stockholm. The riots will probably turn out to be some art statement about life.

In short, I don't care.

snubbleste

endacl wrote: »

But it is news. It was on the news.

Yeah so were ducklings sucking a cats tits in Offaly

endacl

baalthor wrote: »

It's been on Sky News all day

I'd be careful citing Sky News. All day on Sky News may mean that it 'is' news, but may also mean that it 'was' news, but that nothing else that could qualify as 'news' to Sky News has happened in the intervening period.

o1s1n

snubbleste wrote: »

I'm sure if it was Boston or Brisbane, t'would be news

Do some people just hang around waiting for news stories which aren't in the US so they can make this comparison?

Every.damn.time.

It was in the news. It's news. Try harder.

seven_eleven

Ok fine, I changed the title to keep you all happy. My point still stands, but thats not the main issue I wanted to discuss.

humbert

seven_eleven wrote: »

And in related news, Sweden recently became the rape capital of the world, defeating South Africa. Although the stats are a bit questionable to be honest, but that doesnt mean they should be ignored. Anybody care to guess why?

Broader legal definition of rape.

I could say it's because of the nasty brown terrorists if you'd prefer though?

Mr. CooL ICE

Riots in Sweden give me a mental image of a Royal Rumble in an Ikea store

endacl

snubbleste wrote: »

Yeah so were ducklings sucking a cats tits in Offaly

Now that's news! The Offaly part!

hfallada

Its be reported in the Irish Times all week. But people dont like to acknowledge the integration of migrants in society in some countries hasnt worked as well as it should. The unemployment rates for people who arent ethically swedes is considerable higher than average. I think immigration is fantastic whether people are skilled or unskilled and willing to integrate into society. But if you live with people of your own race and dont get a decent education its a recipe for disaster.

Nodin

seven_eleven wrote: »

Ok fine, I changed the title to keep you all happy. My point still stands, but thats not the main issue I wanted to discuss.

Well then...what is it? Getting hairy down below?

Gatling

Declare marshal law then send in the army and let them sort it out ,

Sky reported the trouble before the Woolwich attack its proaby a case of careful editorial selections

snubbleste

That is so not politically correct!

mike65

baalthor wrote: »

It's been on Sky News all day

Can't have been, they have been in Woolwich since 2.30 on Wednesday.

The relative under-reporting of five days of rioting is curious, if it were New York, London, Paris, (Munich) everyone would be talkin' about pop music rioting.

mikeym

We cant bad mouth the immigrants because that might be racist.

SEPT 23 1989

Send ABBA in to sort it out

Chips Lovell

People don't riot because they're immigrants. They riot because they're poor and feel excluded.

You only start trashing stuff once you feel you've nothing left to lose.

Cody Pomeray

Periodic episodes of social unrest in urban environments are a fact of life. The only newsworthy thing about this riot is that it's happening in one of the most non-belligerent countries in Europe, with a traditional reputation for social order and civility.

Chucky the tree

mikeym wrote: »

We cant bad mouth the immigrants because that might be racist.

It would also make us look like massive hypocrites.

mike65

and the poor tend to end up all in the same place, usually due to market forces but as a policy in some cases which doesn't help.

snubbleste

A strongly-worded letter to rté is in order OP.

Gatling

WanabeOlympian wrote: »

I agree with you. So maybe we should help the ones we already have before letting more in to this mess.

Are you serious what would our immigrants got to riot about ,welfare ,social housing ,education,, negative equity, having to move to foreign land to keep roofs over there families heads ,

Cody Pomeray

mike65 wrote: »

and the poor tend to end up all in the same place, usually due to market forces but as a policy in some cases which doesn't help.

Probably the single (accidental) benefit to Ireland's scatter-gun approach to housing is that we don't have any real ghettoes.

WanabeOlympian

Gatling wrote: »

Are you serious what would our immigrants got to riot about ,welfare ,social housing ,education,, negative equity, having to move to foreign land to keep roofs over there families heads ,

I was refering to Paris, London and now Stockholm. Sorry if that wasn't clear. However, I think Ireland can learn from this and avoid it happening here too in the future.

mike65

Gatling wrote: »

Are you serious what would our immigrants got to riot about ,welfare ,social housing ,education,, negative equity, having to move to foreign land to keep roofs over there families heads ,

Very little beyond the shocking literacy levels apparently.

Gatling

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Probably the single (accidental) benefit to Ireland's scatter-gun approach to housing is that we don't have any real ghettoes.

Do you live in a council estate

Gatling

Gatling wrote: »

Are you serious what would our immigrants got to riot about (...) having to move to foreign land to keep roofs over there families heads ,

Eh...

Corkfeen

In regards to Sweden being the rape capital, it's more of a misunderstanding of the stats. Sweden takes sexual violence far more seriously than the likes of South Africa.

But that is a misconception, according to Klara Selin, a sociologist at the National Council for Crime Prevention in Stockholm. She says you cannot compare countries' records, because police procedures and legal definitions vary widely.

"In Sweden there has been this ambition explicitly to record every case of sexual violence separately, to make it visible in the statistics," she says.

"So, for instance, when a woman comes to the police and she says my husband or my fiance raped me almost every day during the last year, the police have to record each of these events, which might be more than 300 events. In many other countries it would just be one record - one victim, one type of crime, one record."

The thing is, the number of reported rapes has been going up in Sweden - it's almost trebled in just the last seven years. In 2003, about 2,200 offences were reported by the police, compared to nearly 6,000 in 2010...
...
But Klara Selin says the statistics don't represent a major crime epidemic, rather a shift in attitudes. The public debate about this sort of crime in Sweden over the past two decades has had the effect of raising awareness, she says, and encouraging women to go to the police if they have been attacked.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19592372

So really the crimes were occuring but now they're getting the reports that people were unwilling to give. They are also classifying each incident as a separate crime so it raises the stats. There's also events that aren't reported as sexual assault in many countries but are in Sweden. These studies in general are considered to be inaccurate and ineffective ways of ranking countries. There's a significantly different attitude towards crime in Sweden in contrast to South Africa. By the way, South Africa is still the capital. But I guess you'd prefer to blame it on the immigrants with no real foundation to it.

Riots occur in countries, Britain has tons of them and those responsible were white British people. Student protests gone wrong and looting of London the year before last. But alienating a demographic is not going to resolve the issue of rioting and will likely drive those who are subjected to xenophobia to act aggressively.

Strange how you didn't point to the fact that they started in socially deprived areas because this is a far greater factor than the fact that it was immigrants especially since Swedes are participating too.

I do find it sort of fitting that a family member of the man whose death sparked the riots has spoken out against them.

The family of the 69-year-old man who was shot dead by police has urged rioters to stop. It’s “the wrong way to react,” said Risto Kajanto, the dead man’s brother in-law, according to Swedish tabloid Aftonbladet. “We must discuss with the police and get along - violence only feeds more violence.”
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/police-seek-reinforcements-to-help-end-stockholm-riots-1.1405309

This has been fairly widely reported btw.

Your reporting of it is more like a pitch fork wielding crowd that wants to blame the outsiders for everything. It's merely taking advantage of the event. Ye never make a big deal about it if it's just the locals that are rioting....

Cody Pomeray

Gatling wrote: »

Do you live in a council estate

No... I live in on a very small road that has young professionals, broke students (myself included), immigrants, and a former Government Minister. I think it's illustrative of they type of social cohesion you get as a result of haphazard planning laws. It's an unintended positive consequence.

Corkfeen

Corkfeen wrote: »

Riots occur in countries, Britain has tons of them and those responsible were white British people. Student protests gone wrong and looting of London the year before last.

Don't be silly, that was a mainly white, middle-class crowd, it was obviously the police tactics that were wrong.

Gatling

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

No... I live in on a very small road that has young professionals, broke students (myself included), immigrants, and a former Government Minister. I think it's illustrative of they type of social cohesion you get as a result of haphazard planning laws. It's an unintended positive consequence.

The reason I asked a lot of council housing list's and estates in some areas go from 20%- 40+% made of non nationals

Cody Pomeray

Gatling wrote: »

The reason I asked a lot of council housing list's and estates in some areas go from 20%- 40+% made of non nationals

Yes I'd believe that figure for some areas, but as a non-colonizer country, I'd assume any proportion of non-irish nationals on Irish housing lists to be reasonably diverse.

What we'd really want to avoid is the conglomeration of a large, disaffected and homogenous grouping in any one area... be they Irish or anything else. That's why housing strategies which place council tenants amongst private householders should be encouraged at the expense of the council estates you mention.

I'm not quite advocating "multiculturalism", but the more racial and class diversity we can assign to local districts, the better for social harmony.

Conmaicne Mara

I don't believe a bit of it. It's part of Scandinavia, and we all know Scandinavia is perfect. All the leftys in the meeja tell us so.

Gatling

Cody Pomeray wrote: »

Yes I'd believe that figure for some areas, but as a non-colonizer country, I'd assume any proportion of non-irish nationals on Irish housing lists to be reasonably diverse.

What we'd really want to avoid is the conglomeration of a large, disaffected and heterogenous grouping in any one area... be they Irish or anything else. That's why housing strategies which place council tenants amongst private householders should be encouraged at the expense of the council estates you mention.

I'm not quite advocating "multiculturalism", but the more racial and class diversity we can assign to local districts, the better for social harmony.

Totally agree on that , from what I've seen in certain estates is the complete opposite street after street made up of non national families then a few Irish families and then the same again its only serve's to cause community fragmentation rather than community unity

hatrickpatrick

And in related news, Sweden recently became the rape capital of the world, defeating South Africa.

Given what we know about the Julian Assange case and Sweden's ridiculous laws, I'd take any such statistics with a gigantic shovel of salt.

Gatling

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Given what we know about the Julian Assange case and Sweden's ridiculous laws, I'd take any such statistics with a gigantic shovel of salt.

Bloke accused of 2 sexual assaults/rape runs and hides in an embassy /add the thousand his apparent former fans / supporters have lost paying his bail bonds
Top bloke that asange chap ,

Vladimir Kurtains

Vladimir Kurtains wrote: »

People don't riot because they're immigrants. They riot because they're poor and feel excluded.

You only start trashing stuff once you feel you've nothing left to lose.

Like the Love Ulster Parade in 2006? Or London recently? Or multiple football related riots. Lots of people riot just because they are opportunistic thugs. This social exclusion isn't always applicable.

NIMAN

I thought Sweden was always held up as the perfect example of the perfect country and perfect society, a place where everyone is so happy and they have everything they need.

Nodin

NIMAN wrote: »

I thought Sweden was always held up as the perfect example of the perfect country and perfect society, a place where everyone is so happy and they have everything they need.

...but they needed a riot....

GalwayGuy2

I thought Sweden was always held up as the perfect example of the perfect country and perfect society, a place where everyone is so happy and they have everything they need.

I must admit, there does seem to be a massive bias favoring Sweden. The right seem to support them because of their fiscal management, and the left becuase of their welfare, imo.

Corkfeen

Corkfeen wrote: »

.....Riots occur in countries, Britain has tons of them and those responsible were white British people. Student protests gone wrong and looting of London the year before last....

white people are responsible for rioting?

Clandestine

Immigrant, non-whites causing trouble in a civilized country? Well I never...