Arcade & Retro Marketplace

Myrddin

Hi folks,

Well we've gone & done it now. The trading forum is no more! Well, not quite. As you may or may not have seen it's been re-branded as the Arcade & Retro Marketplace. So what does this mean? Well, it's now our own marketplace...we're free to trade, swap & give away things as before...but with the addition of being able to sell items there too.

Sweet! There are a few provisos though, to make it safer & more comfortable to use. Have a read of the new charter, & the new Members Services thread, which can be a focal point for those of us who need any custom bits & pieces & physical help with repairs/projects etc.

So there we have it, a place to garner more retro goodies, in the comfort of our own forum. No bags of tayto, no half eaten mars bars offered, just sensible & honest stuff. Ciderman & Logie remain as mods & won't be taking any crap, so read the charter very carefully. The other two Cmods & I will also be watching over it to ensure it runs as planned, so don't arse around.

So happy buying folks, & if there's any questions use this thread

TechnoFreek

Awesome. That was my wishful thinking suspicion!

Be great to be able to buy and sell with members and postage should be less of an issue.

Andrew76

Excellent job to those involved even if it is years overdue.

Retr0gamer

As long as I'm still free to offer a half eaten packet of crisps and a copy of Rise of the Robots for Radiant Silvergun I'm happy.

martineatworld

Great stuff lads, well done on making it happen.

One suggestion I have is to make the charter that bit tighter by robbing rules from similar forums on the topics of price reductions (list them in both the new post and the original post, keeping the original price noted)?

Myrddin

martineatworld wrote: »

Great stuff lads, well done on making it happen.

One suggestion I have is to make the charter that bit tighter by robbing rules from similar forums on the topics of price reductions (list them in both the new post and the original post, keeping the original price noted)?

So if a price reduction takes place, edit the op to reflect it as well as make a new post on a thread is it?

Andrew76

Actually are us non-mods allowed to edit the original post indefintely for things like price reductions or is there a time limit?

Myrddin

There is a time limit in which a user has to edit a post, only mods of that particular forum (Cidey & Logie) & the Cmods can edit posts beyond that. So I'd advise folks to be sure of your price before you set it, as you could end up having to ask a mod to change it after 24/48hours

martineatworld

EnterNow wrote: »

So if a price reduction takes place, edit the op to reflect it as well as make a new post on a thread is it?

Yeah, but keep the original price there.

That's made completely redundant by the time limit of editing posts so apologies for suggesting something impossible!

CiDeRmAn

I think a, common sense approach is required.
So people should take care take the OP is right and they'll have editing time to do it that built into the system.
Also, I'd thank people not to create new ads constantly to keep their threads near the top, if it becomes an issue then it'll be entered into the rules and consequences defined.

Myrddin

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I think a, common sense approach is required.
So people should take care take the OP is right and they'll have editing time to do it that built into the system.
Also, I'd thank people not to create new ads constantly to keep their threads near the top, if it becomes an issue then it'll be entered into the rules and consequences defined.

Good point

Sparks43

Can we please ban the trading or sale of **** games like Halo, Rise of the robots and Zelda CD-i?

Myrddin

Sparks43 wrote: »

Can we please ban the trading or sale of **** games like Bolderdash

Sure thing, done.

The Last Bandit

Usual 10% kickback to the mods still apply ?

Retr0gamer

It works like the microsoft XBox One system, 45% goes to the games publisher, 45% goes to the mods, 10% goes to the seller.

Myrddin

Proper thread tags have no been implemented in the Marketplace, so if you're making a new thread, you'll see the options to use them [For Sale], [Trade], [Free] etc

Andrew76

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

I think a, common sense approach is required.
So people should take care take the OP is right and they'll have editing time to do it that built into the system.
Also, I'd thank people not to create new ads constantly to keep their threads near the top, if it becomes an issue then it'll be entered into the rules and consequences defined.

It's not about putting up the wrong price, I was thinking more about an ad not getting any takers after a week or whatever - you'll normally see the original post being edited with a price reduction and a thread bump.

Presumably we can do this? By a PM to a mod if we can't edit it ourselves.

One thing I would say - folks should really include pictures especially for expensive items.

Myrddin

Andrew76 wrote: »

It's not about putting up the wrong price, I was thinking more about an ad not getting any takers after a week or whatever - you'll normally see the original post being edited with a price reduction and a thread bump.

Presumably we can do this? By a PM to a mod if we can't edit it ourselves.

One thing I would say - folks should really include pictures especially for expensive items.

Yeah this editing restriction is a site-wide thing, outside of our control. Editing of a post over 24 hours old (I think it's 24 hours, maybe 48) will have to be requested by a mod yeah.

However, I'd nearly suggest anyone dropping a price just replies with a new post in the thread, that way it bumps the thread too. Then send a request to a mod to edit the op if they so wish it. Obviously excessive bumping won't be allowed, it needs to be fair. So we'll see how it goes, if its bumps galore then a restriction will have to be brought in at mods discretion.

I'd agree on using pics where possible too

Andrew76

EnterNow wrote: »

Yeah this editing restriction is a site-wide thing, outside of our control. Editing of a post over 24 hours old (I think it's 24 hours, maybe 48) will have to be requested by a mod yeah.

However, I'd nearly suggest anyone dropping a price just replies with a new post in the thread, that way it bumps the thread too. Then send a request to a mod to edit the op if they so wish it. Obviously excessive bumping won't be allowed, it needs to be fair. So we'll see how it goes, if its bumps galore then a restriction will have to be brought in at mods discretion.

I'd agree on using pics where possible too

Ok that's fair enough about posting a reply for price reductions, if a mod can also edit the OP at some stage too that would be great. Nothing worse than having to scan all posts for any possible reductions. Sure this might not be a big issue for a while yet, until it gets much busier which hopefully it will.

Aye, no pics = no parting of cash, too easy to have disputes over condition etc.

Steve X2

I think pics should be mandatory if the asking price is over a certain amount.

Thoughts?

Myrddin

Steve SI wrote: »

I think pics should be mandatory if the asking price is over a certain amount.

Thoughts?

I suppose there's no real need to make it mandatory, it's in the sellers best interest to show pics. If they don't, they're less likely to sell. The 100 post limit should weed out most of the abusers right off the bat, so I suppose we just see how it goes. It'll be an on-going thing, & Cidey/Logie have the final say on it really

Andrew76

Agreed, there are many folk who like to throw up ads and say pics to follow later (you know who you are fish-shmup lover) but they should still be allowed place the ad. If folk don't bother with pics then it just might harm the attractiveness of the sale. I cba buying from pictureless ads but I could be in the minority.

/Edit: It would also be handy if the seller states the methods of payment they accept/prefer. Cash on collection, Paypal (Gift or buyer pays the fees) etc. All standard stuff really.

Myrddin

Andrew76 wrote: »

It would also be handy if the seller states the methods of payment they accept/prefer. Cash on collection, Paypal (Gift or buyer pays the fees) etc. All standard stuff really.

Yep, good idea. If folks could do this, & state their location, willing to post etc it would be good. I wonder should we use a generic template, & then let the seller elaborate on it underneath. Something like:

Item: Boxed Sega Saturn
Price: €150
Location : Dublin
Post: Willing to post
Payment: Cash on collection, or Paypal if posting (buyer pays fees)

Selling my boxed Saturn. It's in great condition, comes with an RGB scart cable, 2nd pad, & has been modded to be 60Hz selectable.

Thoughts?

Andrew76

EnterNow wrote: »

Yep, good idea. If folks could do this, & state their location, willing to post etc it would be good. I wonder should we use a generic template, & then let the seller elaborate on it underneath. Something like:



Thoughts?

Ooh first dibs on your Saturn? :P :P

Ah as long as they cover the main points you listed it doesn't really matter about the format imo.

Los Lobos mentioned elsewhere about a Feeback thread or something, that would be handy down the road. Since there's no proper feedback system linked to the user (I think?) - just somewhere to post you had a good (sales) experience with so and so or this person is a cowboy, mad about Legend of Dragoon and sold me a bunch of CD-Rs, steer clear.

Anyway, maybe food for thought for the future. See how things go initially.

Myrddin

Andrew76 wrote: »

Ooh first dibs on your Saturn? :P :P

Ah as long as they cover the main points you listed it doesn't really matter about the format imo.

Los Lobos mentioned elsewhere about a Feeback thread or something, that would be handy down the road. Since there's no proper feedback system linked to the user (I think?) - just somewhere to post you had a good (sales) experience with so and so or this person is a cowboy, mad about Legend of Dragoon and sold me a bunch of CD-Rs, steer clear.

Anyway, maybe food for thought for the future. See how things go initially.

Yeah that link he posted didn't work, an invalid thread or something. It was also in the charter thread which generally isn't left open (I'd forgotten to lock it ).

Any links to the thread he was referring to? We'd need to be pretty careful with how negative feedback was addressed, but as you said it's something to think about for future useage. Can't see too many negative cases given the users here at the mo

Andrew76

EnterNow wrote: »

Yeah that link he posted didn't work, an invalid thread or something. It was also in the charter thread which generally isn't left open (I'd forgotten to lock it ).

Any links to the thread he was referring to? We'd need to be pretty careful with how negative feedback was addressed, but as you said it's something to think about for future useage. Can't see too many negative cases given the users here at the mo

Was a link to atariage or something? Not familiar with that place tbh. AO and shmups have excellent Feedback systems but would still have to deal with neg feedback alright. Their system isn't going to be implemented on boards so a simple Feedback thread of sorts would have to do - not sure how to handle disputes. They normal happen on thread and/or showing PM's which is great fun for everyone else to read. Anyway, if folk are careful who they buy/sell from it should be fine in the main.

Atavan-Halen

I think regarding feedback, it'd be something to sort out between the seller and buyer but maybe just PM the mods to give them a heads up. i.e: "that retr0 fella sold me a used skirt when it was advertised as new" so that the mods can take appropriate action towards them. But after that refunds or whatever would be between seller and buyer.

Myrddin

Andrew76 wrote: »

Was a link to atariage or something? Not familiar with that place tbh. AO and shmups have excellent Feedback systems but would still have to deal with neg feedback alright. Their system isn't going to be implemented on boards so a simple Feedback thread of sorts would have to do - not sure how to handle disputes. They normal happen on thread and/or showing PM's which is great fun for everyone else to read. Anyway, if folk are careful who they buy/sell from it should be fine in the main.

Yeah it was Atari Age.

Unless we created a thread for disputes, where users can post in? Keep it all in one place, suppose it might work. Not sure it'll be needed, & the mods would need to mull that one over.

As for publishing pm messages publicly, defo not

o1s1n

Here's the feedback thread over in Airsoft Adverts. Has been going years now and seems to work.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055848045

Myrddin

atavan-halen wrote: »

I think regarding feedback, it'd be something to sort out between the seller and buyer but maybe just PM the mods to give them a heads up. i.e: "that retr0 fella sold me a used skirt when it was advertised as new" so that the mods can take appropriate action towards them. But after that refunds or whatever would be between seller and buyer.

The problem is, for mods there's no way to know the complaint is valid or not & a system like that would be open to abuse. So it's prob best left between seller & buyer. For now, we're all pretty decent folks (retro notwithstanding of course) & I don't envisage any issues.

It's like buying from a car boot sale really, it's always buyer beware with private sales & here its no different. A feedback system would seem the logical go-between. Any thoughts on how such a system could work in thread format?

Myrddin

o1s1n wrote: »

Here's the feedback thread over in Airsoft Adverts. Has been going years now and seems to work.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055848045

Thats very good, I like it. So ultimately if you're about to do a deal with someone, you use that thread & search for their username is it?

Andrew76

EnterNow wrote: »

As for publishing pm messages publicly, defo not

Ah that's only in rare cases when buyer & seller can't resolve the issue privately and you're being called a liar publicly. Yeah mods can't resolve disputes nor would you want them too. That Airsoft link looks good.

o1s1n

EnterNow wrote: »

Thats very good, I like it. So ultimately if you're about to do a deal with someone, you use that thread & search for their username is it?

Exactly. And it's one post per person in the transaction - so it's pretty much like leaving ebay feedback. No discussion/squabbling on thread.

Myrddin

o1s1n wrote: »

Exactly. And it's one post per person in the transaction - so it's pretty much like leaving ebay feedback. No discussion/squabbling on thread.

Sure we'll see what Cidey/Logie thinks of it & let them decide. Seems a good way to operate it anyway

Los Lobos

Sorry, it was probably only viewable on AA if you were logged in. Works well though.

Edit - As opposed to the one O1s1n linked to, the AA one is like a subforum, everyone given feedback has their own thread, with all their feedback from each transaction. It's a whole lot easier to find someone and check/leave feedback unlike that airsoft one where you have to just leave it on one thread.

If anyone has an account on AA, here's the link again to see what I mean:

http://atariage.com/forums/forum/104-user-feedback-forum/

safetyboy

Maybe a what its worth in Ireland thread could be good too?

CiDeRmAn

Andrew76 wrote: »

Ah that's only in rare cases when buyer & seller can't resolve the issue privately and you're being called a liar publicly. Yeah mods can't resolve disputes nor would you want them too. That Airsoft link looks good.

If something spills over into the forums both parties will be subject to censure.
The marketplace idea is fast getting complicated.
So, an exclusive feedback thread. As a user completes a deal they leave a line on that persons feedback thread. Do both sellers and buyers have a thread. If the buyer is a no regular, can the other party make them a thread?
Otherwise it should work fine.

Steve X2

If we put stuff up the marketplace can we also stick it up on adverts etc, or not?

Andrew76

Steve SI wrote: »

If we put stuff up the marketplace can we also stick it up on adverts etc, or not?

Can't see anything in the charter to say you can't. Sure that would be too limited anyway, should be allowed put a sale on as many sites as you like.

CiDeRmAn

You can put the items anywhere you like, and sell it to anyone, but if it becomes apparent that an agreed transaction is abandoned when a user elsewhere offers more, that will be noted and commented on.

Myrddin

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

You can put the items anywhere you like, and sell it to anyone, but if it becomes apparent that an agreed transaction is abandoned when a user elsewhere offers more, that will be noted and commented on.

Agreed, you're free to advertise wherever you want. As Cidey says, be sure though if a deal is agreed elsewhere that you advise as such in the Marketplace.

You prob all seen there's a feedback thread now for users, can we request everyone who does a deal through the marketplace to take the time to leave feedback (both buyer & seller).

Finally, if a deal is done/closed, please advise so in your ad so we can close the thread, move it to the archive, & help us keep the Marketplace only for active/unsold items to make it easier to use

Myrddin

If anyone has any threads still open in the Marketplace where the items have been traded/sold or are not available anymore, please bump/update the thread stating as such so it can gotten get rid of & moved to the marketplace.

Andrew76

What do folks think of a slight addition to the 'Marektplace Users Feedback' thread - when you're posting feedback that you specify whether the user was Buyer or Seller? Even if it's just in brackets after their name rather than another header. Or just change "User" to Buyer/Seller as appropriate. Obviously only applies to Sale type interactions and not Trades.

Handy to see at a glance and it saves you having to click into the link (if one was provided) to see who was who.

Actually, is there no feedback for Buyers? Prompt payment, nice to deal with etc. Only fair they get feedback too and it would be handy for sellers to see if a person looking to buy has any feedback and not a time wasting gouger.

Taking EnterNow's Sale type example:

Type: Sale
Seller: Mr. Z
Item: Super Aleste CIB
Link: Original Ad/Thread of Item in Marketplace
Feedback: Received item as described, thanks a mil.
(Above posted by Mr. X)

Type: Sale
Buyer: Mr. X
Item: Super Aleste CIB
Link: Original Ad/Thread of Item in Marketplace
Feedback: Prompt payment, nice chap to deal with. No hassles.
(Above posted by Mr. Z)

Myrddin

Yep, makes sense. If the mods are on board with it, the template can be edited to incorporate it

Myrddin

Andrew76 wrote: »

Actually, is there no feedback for Buyers?

Sorry forgot about this, yeah I think both the buyer AND the seller should leave feedback for each other

OwaynOTT

What about insulting offers? When something is €100 it's will be annoying when somebody offers way below that like adverts style.
Can we set some sort of limit on how far it can go below?
And maybe set up a strike count system?

CiDeRmAn

OwaynOTT wrote: »

What about insulting offers? When something is €100 it's will be annoying when somebody offers way below that like adverts style.
Can we set some sort of limit on how far it can go below?
And maybe set up a strike count system?

Sorry but I for one won't be moderating that nightmare.
People can make any offer they like, sellers can refuse.
If someone is a persistent jerk then they can be reprimanded, beaten with shrubbery, whatever.

Myrddin

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Sorry but I for one won't be moderating that nightmare.
People can make any offer they like, sellers can refuse.
If someone is a persistent jerk then they can be reprimanded, beaten with shrubbery, whatever.

Agreed, there's really no way to police something like that, not that we'd even want to. That'd mean you couldn't offer a realistic value for an over-priced item too. I'd agree with Ciderman, sellers are free to ask what they like, & buyers can offer what they like...it'll always only ever be a realistic price that'll sell.

CiDeRmAn

Users must report abuses of the Marketplace to the Moderators
If they are hassled or find themselves the subject of bullying it is important that this is sent to the Mods who can then take swift action.
I think it is clear that the rules apply to all, be they new to the forum, old hands here and everything in between, and no quarter will be given to users who are seen to abuse the rules or others here.
Everyone uses the Marketplace with the clear instruction that the rules must be read and adhered to, with no exceptions.
So, if there is a problem, report it and don't hope that it'll just go away, the user causing the issue will just do it again to someone else.

CiDeRmAn

A small but relevant alteration has been made to the Arcade and Retro Marketplace Charter.
Previously the requirement for posters to the sub-forum was either a post count of 100 or to be a member of Boards.ie for at least a year.
This has been changed to posters to the A&R Marketplace having a post count of at least 100.

Any current threads from users who do not measure up to the requirements of the revised charter will be allowed leave their current threads in place, we are interested in fair play after all.
However, no further threads will be accepted until they meet the revised criteria.

Thanks all

Kenjataimu

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