Fiesta ST 1.6 Ecoboost 180bhp 6 speed.

Henry Ford III

Might be tempted. Even the dreaded road tax is a relatively inexpensive group B1 (138g) so €280 p.a. Should be a fun car to drive.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/ford/fiesta/63788/ford-fiesta-st-2

Irish prices look set to start at c.€26k.

Supergurrier

Looks like a hoot

Henry Ford III

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/fiesta-ford-s-latest-hatch-packs-a-punch-1.1346748

jimgoose

26,000 is bowel-evacuatingly expensive for that thing. And with a specific output of well over 100 brake per-litre via turbocharging, it'll be interesting to see what their longevity/reliability is like. Although something tells me the 998cc version will be huge here. I look forward to the Blue-Rinse Brigade howling around like young hoolies on Fireblades!

166man

I like it, but the sheer drivel that both Autoexpress and Autocar come out with is just laughable to be honest.

Marcusm

How does it easily outperform Mini Cooper S? By being slower? Overboost sounds interesting but I have a bias against Fiestas.

Mister Jingles

jimgoose wrote: »

26,000 is bowel-evacuatingly expensive for that thing. And with a specific output of well over 100 brake per-litre via turbocharging, it'll be interesting to see what their longevity/reliability is like. Although something tells me the 998cc version will be huge here. I look forward to the Blue-Rinse Brigade howling around like young hoolies on Fireblades!

It already is, baring in mind though its only 65bhp, bit of a step back from the 80bhp 1.25. Saying that I heard from an owner of both that the power difference isn't really noticeable.

The front of that ST looks dog ugly :eek:

jimgoose

Marcusm wrote: »

How does it easily outperform Mini Cooper S? By being slower? Overboost sounds interesting but I have a bias against Fiestas.

Overboost sounds bloody expensive if the wastegate or throttle mechanism goes arseways!

jimgoose

Mister Jingles wrote: »

It already is, baring in mind though its only 65bhp, bit of a step back from the 80bhp 1.25. Saying that I heard from an owner of both that the power difference isn't really noticeable...

I wouldn't expect it to spin the planet backwards or anything, no.

Henry Ford III

jimgoose wrote: »

26,000 is bowel-evacuatingly expensive for that thing....

All new cars are expensive jim.

It actually seems likely to be keener value than it's biggest competitors - MINI Cooper S, Renault Sport Clio, and Peugeot 208 GTI.

Mister Jingles

No but I don't understand why ford don't offer it in the 100bhp form. Maybe the do in the Uk but as far as Im away they only offer it in 65bhp.

jimgoose

Henry Ford III wrote: »

All new cars are expensive jim.

It actually seems likely to be keener value than it's biggest competitors - MINI Cooper S, Renault Sport Clio, and Peugeot 208 GTI.

We're so used to being rode sideways here we don't know the difference. "Keen value" is not something I ever recall encountering in Ireland.

Henry Ford III

jimgoose wrote: »

We're so used to being rode sideways here we don't know the difference. "Keen value" is not something I ever recall encountering in Ireland.

You'll note I said "keener" and not "keen". I also said all new cars are expensive, and they indeed are.

Henry Ford III

Mister Jingles wrote: »

No but I don't understand why ford don't offer it in the 100bhp form. Maybe the do in the Uk but as far as Im away they only offer it in 65bhp.

The 1.0T can be had in 100bhp and 120bhp versions in the UK.

Henry Ford III

jimgoose wrote: »

Overboost sounds bloody expensive if the wastegate or throttle mechanism goes arseways!

It's been around for years, and is reliable.

p.s. I don't understand all the negativity here. This car is both interesting, and is relatively decent value too.

Supergurrier

People complaining car is too expensive but it's only because of VRT tbh

Henry Ford III

Supergurrier wrote: »

People complaining car is too expensive but it's only because of VRT tbh

Expensive compared to what though?

The Pontiac

Probably a great car, but if I had €26k to spend, then I can think of a lot more car for the money, on the used market.

jimgoose

Henry Ford III wrote: »

It's been around for years, and is reliable...

It's been the terror of pilots of aeroplanes and fast Japanese cars for years. I think the performance testing of these new undersized over-aspirated units is rigged, and someone is telling HUGE porkies!

squod

My own yoke overboosts. 180,000 miles later it still does.

Idbatterim

26k?! ba ha! you would buy an E92 m3 for that money...

MuppetCheck

Idbatterim wrote: »

26k?! ba ha! you would buy an E92 m3 for that money...

I can see your point but to be fair they are two very different to cars. The person interested in one of these is unlikely to be interested in an M3s running costs. It's like saying to someone buying a new M3 that they could buy a used Murcielago or the like. It might be a step too far for some.

Very few cars like it on the Irish market, ie reasonable power and petrol. It's size might limit it's appeal but if you were looking for something like a Mini Copper S the price could tempt people away.

Supergurrier

Will be a great second hand buy down the line, cheap tax (unless the government decides to rewrite the rulebook again) and cheap on fuel.

Henry Ford III

Idbatterim wrote: »

26k?! ba ha! you would buy an E92 m3 for that money...

I'm sure you could but so what?

We're trying to discuss the merits of a sporty hatchback here. One that features :-

1/. Zero miles and no abuse or dodgy history. Every part is new and unused.
2/. A 5 year manufacturers warranty. No huge repair costs in the event of a major failure.
3/. Affordable tax and insurance.
4/. Decent fuel economy.
5/. Reasonable servicing costs.

Sure a used M3 (or many other used cars) will look like better value since it'll have suffered significant depreciation in line with it's age and use, but this thread concerns a new car. Comparing it to a used anything isn't really fair is it?

p.s. If new cars can't be sold the used car market will become a much more difficult and expensive place to search out used performance bargains.

Henry Ford III

fletch

I only emailed Ford earlier today about one! Do you reckon we will see any in the Republic? Renault Ireland already confirmed to me that they won't be bringing in the new RS.
I will most likely be replacing my Fabia RS in the new year and this new ST is a definite contender. While the 7sp DSG in the Fabia is very efficient at what it does, I do miss the involvement of a manual box so the Fiesta is ticking that box for me. However I do agree its a little expensive for what it is.

Puddin Burger

pitty the new focus only comes in 5 door coz the RS // ST ones look crap now

Puddin Burger

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I WANT ONE!!!

jimgoose

squod wrote: »

My own yoke overboosts. 180,000 miles later it still does.

What is it?

Andrew_Doran

fletch wrote: »

I only emailed Ford earlier today about one! Do you reckon we will see any in the Republic?

I saw a new Fiesta ST on the north side of Dublin a couple of weeks ago with two people in it. I whooped for joy, really nice to see something new and interesting for a change.

squod

jimgoose wrote: »

What is it?

A daysul

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=72377430&postcount=2539

Henry Ford III

fletch wrote: »

I only emailed Ford earlier today about one! Do you reckon we will see any in the Republic?.....(

Yes.

jimgoose

squod wrote: »

A daysul

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=72377430&postcount=2539

Ah. A big old cast-iron Endura-D.

roadtripman

This one was at the RS show in Airside Ford a few weeks ago, love that colour


https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/12513_597981556898407_1823732077_n.jpg

conzy

Looks like great craic!

Tea 1000

The Pontiac wrote: »

Probably a great car, but if I had €26k to spend, then I can think of a lot more car for the money, on the used market.

Ah here we go with the used car price comparisons. Unfortunately Ford can't make a used Fiesta, so they'll have to sell it new and let someone else sell a used one after some time has passed.

Looks excellent, and can't understand why it has taken them so long. Pity they missed doing it to the pre-facelift one, as I'm not a fan of the Aston mouth on the newer ones. Still, I'd put up with that gape to own one of those!

Atomic Pineapple

Hell yes, overtaking the TDi brigade in a Fiesta, whats not to enjoy!

jimgoose

draffodx wrote: »

Hell yes, overtaking the TDi brigade in a Fiesta, whats not to enjoy!

Frankly I wasn't aware that the "TDi Brigade" were considered the performance benchmark these days. Only in Ireland, eh??

dr.fuzzenstein

jimgoose wrote: »

26,000 is bowel-evacuatingly expensive for that thing. And with a specific output of well over 100 brake per-litre via turbocharging, it'll be interesting to see what their longevity/reliability is like. Although something tells me the 998cc version will be huge here. I look forward to the Blue-Rinse Brigade howling around like young hoolies on Fireblades!

Of course, for any sporty car that comes out, the Irish are asking "Is there a diesel/tiny engine version available".
So we can pootle around in three cylinder diesel cars with 7cc engines saying "this is the sport model, don't you know!"

jimgoose

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Of course, for any sporty car that comes out, the Irish are asking "Is there a diesel/tiny engine version available".
So we can pootle around in three cylinder diesel cars with 7cc engines saying "this is the sport model, don't you know!"

She wheelie, mista?? :cool:

tossy

jimgoose wrote: »

Frankly I wasn't aware that the "TDi Brigade" were considered the performance benchmark these days. Only in Ireland, eh??

Sadly the are.From my experience of owning a fhast car in Ireland people automatically assume it's a TDI and are genuinely shocked when they discover it's not.

The new fiesta ST reminds me of the Corsa OPC and that's a cool car.

jimgoose

tossy wrote: »

Sadly the are.From my experience of owning a fhast car in Ireland people automatically assume it's a TDI and are genuinely shocked when they discover it's not...

Hmm. Never happens to me, for some reason.

hellyeah

why all the hate in the earlier posts??? With car manufactures churning out run of the mill hybrid/diesal cars all based on emissions and low tax, is it not great to see ford still producing performance cars???

Zubeneschamali

Henry Ford III wrote: »

It actually seems likely to be keener value than it's biggest competitors - MINI Cooper S

Looks to be priced exactly at the Cooper S level. You can get a basic model for cheaper, but who buys a new car without aircon?

jimgoose

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Looks to be priced exactly at the Cooper S level. You can get a basic model for cheaper, but who buys a new car without aircon?

Wash your mouth out! Aircon wayshtes fuel!!

renofan

166man wrote: »

I like it, but the sheer drivel that both Autoexpress and Autocar come out with is just laughable to be honest.

I had been getting Auto Express every week since June 1998 but stopped getting it in Dec last year as it was getting too tabloid like and I got to the stage I didn't enjoy reading it.

The ST looks like good fun but I hate the new grill/gaping mouth on the new Fiesta, too Aston Martin copying for my liking.

Viper_JB

Looks like great fun, might have to convince the GF the get one in a few years (hopefully they'll get cheap on the used car market), 26k for a fiesta seems a little steep but then again, I've never so much as entertained the idea of buying a new car before so I guess they all seem pretty expensive new.

Atomic Pineapple

jimgoose wrote: »

Frankly I wasn't aware that the "TDi Brigade" were considered the performance benchmark these days. Only in Ireland, eh??

My point was more to do with the TDi brigade thinking they are the performance bench mark in Ireland rather than them actually being it and thus being annoyed by a little Fiesta being faster

ShadowHearth

26k eu? that sounds quite... okay!

I honestly love it! Its a shame i am a bum and I wount be able to afford it.

Leonard Hofstadter

The 1.0 Ecoboost (the proper one, with the turbocharger, albeit 100 PS only) is available in Ireland now for the Fiesta. It was tested on CompleteCar.ie recently.

It's a pity that in backward old Ireland, that most basic of features, air conditioning is not standard on our Fiesta STs. Indeed, the Paddy spec ST2 is only marginally better than the UK spec regular ST equipment wise.

Henry Ford III

captainspeed wrote: »

The 1.0 Ecoboost (the proper one, with the turbocharger, albeit 100 PS only) is available in Ireland now for the Fiesta. It was tested on CompleteCar.ie recently.

It's a pity that in backward old Ireland, that most basic of features, air conditioning is not standard on our Fiesta STs. Indeed, the Paddy spec ST2 is only marginally better than the UK spec regular ST equipment wise.

VRT and VAT on VRT are to blame there. The base cost before taxes are similar.