td's wont be allowed to take communion if they vote for abortion.

Jimminy Mc Fukhead

Dartz wrote: »

This isn't 1970. The ossified hierarchy will die before they realise the world has moved on, however.

If they've been on the gargle it would explain the over the top reaction

Jimminy Mc Fukhead

RobertKK wrote: »

If a TD votes for abortion, then they TD is not a Catholic and is not a practrising Catholic.
A person who says they are Catholic and who go to mass everyweek, is not a Catholic if they don't live a Catholic life.

Voting for abortion puts one in conflict with Catholicism.

no man condemns you mary, and neither do i

RobertKK

There was this whole debate over John Kerry who claims to be Catholic.

Newsmax reported on April 23, 2004:
A top Vatican official close to the Pope John Paul II, Cardinal Francis Arinze, emphasized today that priests must not give communion to pro-abortion politicians who claim to be Catholic.
Arinze, a Nigerian who has been mentioned as a possible successor to Pope John Paul II, did not comment specifically on whether presidential candidate John Kerry should be excommunicated. But the inference was clear - and Reuters news wire as well as others said the Cardinal's remarks were a clear shot across Kerry's bow. The cardinal left no doubt about Kerry by saying that an "unambiguously pro-abortion" politician "is not fit" to receive communion.
"If they should not receive, then they should not be given," he noted. The cardinal's directive "could influence the U.S. presidential race," Reuters observed.
Already several leading Catholic laity and clergy have told Kerry that he is excommunicated from the Church because of his abortion stance. Kerry, meanwhile, planned to campaign with pro-choice groups today and denounce President Bush's greatest success in human rights: a ban on gruesome partial-birth abortions.

orestes

Jimminy Mc Fukhead wrote: »

If they've been on the gargle it would explain the over the top reaction

It's not an over the top reaction, it's enforcing the rules of the catholic church. Catholics cannot support abortion, and non-catholics cannot receive communion.

Ash.J.Williams

RobertKK wrote: »

If a TD votes for abortion, then they TD is not a Catholic and is not a practrising Catholic.
A person who says they are Catholic and who go to mass everyweek, is not a Catholic if they don't live a Catholic life.

Voting for abortion puts one in conflict with Catholicism.

that's what pi$$es me off about the church, if they had any balls at all they would kick out homosexuals, divorcees, single mothers and single fathers....but they don't they pick and choose when it suits them...

RobertKK

Jimminy Mc Fukhead wrote: »

no man condemns you mary, and neither do i

Mary Magdalene was not an abortion practitioner.

frag420

Chucken wrote: »

They're the rules!

There are other instances where you cant receive communion too.

Its not a 'last gasp', the Church are just reminding them of the rules.

Maybe someone should remind them about the rules about not f*cking children and then hiding the perpetrators!!

Besides communion tastes like crap. When will they bring in flavoured communions or even better why not give out crisps instead. I may go watch that freakshow on a Sunday instead on sleeping in.

frAg

ilovesleep

RobertKK wrote: »

If a TD votes for abortion, then they TD is not a Catholic and is not a practrising Catholic.
A person who says they are Catholic and who go to mass everyweek, is not a Catholic if they don't live a Catholic life.

Voting for abortion puts one in conflict with Catholicism.

Bull-fcuking-sh1t,

The roman catholic church institute is an absolute farce.

It claims to support Jesus and God and goes about teaching about God's way.

But it doesn't stand for jesus and god.

Like, God, in the bible says for example:
to love your neighbour.
The catholic institute has contempt for gays.

In the bible, it says something like
- don't hurt others.
Yet some members of the priesthood rapes kids and there was other abuses under the churchs control.

The RCC that does not represent what it's supposed to stand for.

Someone can very much be a catholic, not support the RCC and believe in abortion.

RobertKK

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

that's what pi$$es me off about the church, if they had any balls at all they would kick out homosexuals, divorcees, single mothers and single fathers....but they don't they pick and choose when it suits them...

The church has no problem with homosexuals as people, it is homosexual sex as described in the bible.
One can be divorced and not marry again and so be in line with church teaching.
Single fathers and mothers have done the right thing, they didn't have their child killed in the womb and shouldn't be condemned for taking the right decision when it came to a life and death issue.

RobertKK

ilovesleep wrote: »

Bull-fcuking-sh1t,

The roman catholic church institute is an absolute farce.

It claims to support Jesus and God and goes about teaching about God's way.

But it doesn't stand for jesus and god.

Like, God, in the bible says for example:
to love your neighbour.
The catholic institute has contempt for gays.

In the bible, it says something like
- don't hurt others.
Yet some members of the priesthood rapes kids and there was other abuses under the churchs control.

They are no longer allowed to be a priest and are reported to the authorities.

The church has nothing against gays as people. It doesn't mean it has to swing in the wind to agree with your position on gay sex or marriage.

orestes

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

that's what pi$$es me off about the church, if they had any balls at all they would kick out homosexuals, divorcees, single mothers and single fathers....but they don't they pick and choose when it suits them...

Because they believe that you can be absolved and receive salvation through the church if you repent for your sins. Kicking somebody out would be to condemn them to hell, when underneath it all the church does want people to be saved through the grace of christ and the church.

o1s1n

padd b1975 wrote: »

It reads to me as a bit of a 'solo run'.

Have the hierarchy in Ireland made any comment since the wording was finalised?

Did you ever read the article?

Cardinal Burke is prefect of the Apostolic Signatura – the supreme authority on justice in the church apart from the Pope. He made the comments in an interview with the Irish 'Catholic Voice' newspaper.

Ergo - what he says goes.

wandatowell

stupid church

orestes

ilovesleep wrote: »

Someone can very much be a catholic, not support the RCC and believe in abortion.

No, they can't. They can be a christian, but not a catholic. If you disagree with the catholic church, you are not a catholic. Also, their interpretation of the bible supersedes yours, scripture is to be interpreted by the clergy and passed down to the masses, another basic piece of catholicism. If you want to interpret the bible for yourself, you aren't catholic.

ilovesleep

Karona wrote: »

What a crock of sh*t!!

Seriously, are we gonna go back to the 1940's?? Are they gonna get rid of contraception because it is against catholic law.... we are a country not a church so we shouldn't have to follow another law that isn't the law of the land.

I think the TD's should tell the pope where to to.

Exactly. I'm sicked at the op. It's just another source of control for the RCC but it's making the jobs of tds much harder forcing them into choosing between their religion and christ and doing what's good for Ireland as in allowing women a choice for abortion if it's needed for them.

kylith

RobertKK wrote: »

Mary Magdalene was not an abortion practitioner.

No, but St. Brigid was

Brigid, exercising with the most strength of her ineffable faith, blessed her, caused the fetus to disappear without coming to birth, and without pain.

anna.fun

RobertKK wrote: »

If a TD votes for abortion, then they TD is not a Catholic and is not a practrising Catholic.
A person who says they are Catholic and who go to mass everyweek, is not a Catholic if they don't live a Catholic life.

Voting for abortion puts one in conflict with Catholicism.

just because the td are giving (non) religious people to get an abortion, does not mean the td would choose abortion for oneself.

giving other people a choice regarding other people's life can hardly be seen as sin. the church doesn't like people living together as a couple without getting married and still this is a legal option

NIMAN

Why not ban them from attending mass altogether?

RobertKK

kylith wrote: »

No, but St. Brigid was

Could you expand on the source, please.

Doesn't say she passed anything, says it disappeared.

ScumLord

RobertKK wrote: »

If a TD votes for abortion, then they TD is not a Catholic and is not a practrising Catholic.
A person who says they are Catholic and who go to mass everyweek, is not a Catholic if they don't live a Catholic life.

Voting for abortion puts one in conflict with Catholicism.

I have no problem with Christian living Christian lives, but they're morals have no place in the politics that run this country. I want my politicians to base their moral compass in this millennia not in a time of slavery and magic.

Just like if I employed an engineer I'd want him to know what he's doing rather than thinking a prayer was an important part of his engineering process.

RobertKK

NIMAN wrote: »

Why not ban them from attending mass altogether?

They should be excommunicated. We had hypocrites like the labour party doing church gate collections...

orestes

anna.fun wrote: »

just because the td are giving (non) religious people to get an abortion, does not mean the td would choose abortion for oneself.

giving other people a choice regarding other people's life can hardly be seen as sin. the church doesn't like people living together as a couple without getting married and still this is a legal option

Yes, and in catholic terms people who live together without being married are living in sin and should be refused communion.

listermint

RobertKK wrote: »

Could you expand on the source, please.

Doesn't say she passed anything, says it disappeared.

ROFL

Sarky

Always amusing how many Catholics know so little about Catholicism.

crazy cabbage

For **** sake. The church is the biggest joke of an organisation ever.

Plus so the **** what if the TD's can't commit cannibalism. That is a plus +1 in my book... :rolleyes:



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anna.fun

orestes wrote: »

Yes, and in catholic terms people who live together without being married are living in sin and should be refused communion.

So TDs should also be refused communion because they don't change the law, which makes living together as a couple legal?

efb

RobertKK wrote: »

They should be excommunicated. We had hypocrites like the labour party doing church gate collections...

When do Lab do church gate collections?

RobertKK

efb wrote: »

When do Lab do church gate collections?

Well if you read the Sindo sting tapes you will see the irony...before and after mass once a year, same with FG and FF.
Not sure if they did last year, but they did upto 2011.

ilovesleep

RobertKK wrote: »

They are no longer allowed to be a priest and are reported to the authorities.

The church has nothing against gays as people. It doesn't mean it has to swing in the wind to agree with your position on gay sex or marriage.

In relation to your first bit here:
Ireland was under control of the RCC for decades and in recent years a lot of revelations came out on abuse.

What did the vatican do to offer compensation, can you tell me?

In your second bit, you contridicted yourself by saying the church has nothing against gay people, they only condemn gay sex.

kylith

RobertKK wrote: »

Could you expand on the source, please.

Doesn't say she passed anything, says it disappeared.

Where do you think it 'disappeared' to? The incident was recorded by Cogitosus, and reported on http://choiceireland.blogspot.ie/2008/02/happy-st-brigids-day-irelands-first.html

In the middle ages abortion wasn't seen as a big deal at all, at least until the soul entered the foetus, i.e. when the baby started to kick. Even in the bible it's only punishable by a fine. Exodous 22-23