td's wont be allowed to take communion if they vote for abortion.

Spurtacus

So if they vote against if so a woman with a treatable condition is allowed die needlessly that's OK in the church's eyes ?
These relic folk worshipping the sky fairies would really want to take a 2nd look at this.

Siobhnk

Sure if that's the way the Church are taking it, any person using any form of birth control wouldn't be allowed receive it.

LFCFan

Surely this isn't a vote for abortion. It's a vote to implement legislation for already existing laws to make it clearer for women and for health professionals to do their job without fear of prosecution?

C.K Dexter Haven

Chucken wrote: »

They're the rules!

There are other instances where you cant receive communion too.

Its not a 'last gasp', the Church are just reminding them of the rules.

I disagree. In Catholic terms, the legalisation of abortion debate is a debate of conscience - voting in favour of abortion is totally different to having an abortion.
While the Catholic Church may want you to vote no, conscience reigns supreme over this- at least that's what the Catholic Church told me many years ago.

super_furry

LFCFan wrote: »

Surely this isn't a vote for abortion. It's a vote to implement legislation for already existing laws to make it clearer for women and for health professionals to do their job without fear of prosecution?

Shhh. Don't try to make sense or they'll be around your house screaming "Abortion isn't a cure for suicidality!!!!"

c_man

greenpilot wrote: »

td's wont be allowed to take communion if they vote for abortion.

They can make do with Milky Way buttons.

Ray Palmer

seamus wrote: »

A priest can only refuse communion to someone they know to be living in grave sin. All the TDs have to do is go to confession after they've voted, bingo-bango the curse is lifted.

Or, you know, they could grow up and stop with the make-believe.

Not true confession is not a blanket "I forgive you" you have to make up for your sins. If you are going to believe the mumbo jumbo they write the rules so it is up to them.

Although I don't know under what rule/belief they can tell TDs they are not entitled to the sacrament.

RobbingBandit

Government response should be if you take away our bread we'll take away the boys.

Merkin

Link to broadcast or it didn't happen....

bladespin

Chucken wrote: »

They're the rules!

There are other instances where you cant receive communion too.

Its not a 'last gasp', the Church are just reminding them of the rules.

How are they the rules? Explain please because there's nothing I've ever read about the church that mentions this.

Gbear

Their own private club, they can do as they like.

Of course, if they were consistent, very few Catholics would be left. Even most of the clergy probably don't follow the rules as set out in the bible.

It's far more embarrassing that any TDs would actually give a ****e.

opinion guy

Bishops calling law immoral:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/bishops-say-proposed-abortion-law-morally-unacceptable-1.1381715


OK seriously. Can we just confiscate all their property now to compensate their victims ?
Better yet - lets prosecute some of them for sheltering paedos and obstructing justice

awec

opinion guy wrote: »

Bishops calling law immoral:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/bishops-say-proposed-abortion-law-morally-unacceptable-1.1381715


OK seriously. Can we just confiscate all their property now to compensate their victims ?
Better yet - lets prosecute some of them for sheltering paedos and obstructing justice

That really is infuriating.

How DARE that organisation lecture anyone on morals. :mad: :mad:

Dartz

Excommunication is no longer the threat it was in the middle ages.

This isn't 1970. The ossified hierarchy will die before they realise the world has moved on, however.

paddy147

greenpilot wrote: »

Just heard this on RTE. Is this the last gasp of a dying church?

But yet Priests can molest boys and girls...:rolleyes::mad:

Sarky

C.K Dexter Haven wrote: »

conscience reigns supreme over this- at least that's what the Catholic Church told me many years ago.

That doesn't sound like something the Catholic Church would say. Priests decide what's right and wrong, the flock obeys. It's right there in the cathechism. There's none of this "conscience" stuff. Far too similar to "thinking for yourself".

the culture of deference

awec wrote: »

In response the TDs should threaten to remove the tax loopholes that allow the churches to get away with contributing nothing to society despite raking in the cash

If they want to stoop to such levels and get involved in politics then hit them where it will hurt them the most, in their pocket. Tax them with every tax imaginable.

Or better still.

DO WHAT AUSTRALIA HAS DONE

Historic Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse will begin in the Victorian County Court in Melbourne today.

awec wrote: »

It's also pretty hilarious that an organisation like the church is trying to take the moral high ground on this issue.

Is Sean Brady allowed to take communion?

They have "morals" when it suits.

super_furry wrote: »

Can paedophile priests still get communion?

A paedo priest is allowed communion.

BUT

Edward Peters, a legal advisor to the Vatican, and the Archbishop of Detroit have claimed that homosexual Catholics participating in holy Communion—the most routine of The Seven Sacraments—are not entitled to it, and accepting it would be an act of perjury.

Full story here: http://www.queerty.com/gays-accepting-holy-communion-commit-perjury-says-legal-advisor-to-the-vatican-20130408/#ixzz2SEbMTwR5

Ash.J.Williams

What about gay td's (or openly gay td's as they're called now) should we put them to death?

Defiler Of The Coffin

As long as TDs are still allowed to go to funerals I don't think they'll mind too much

efb

I took communion at my brothers wedding, I didn't melt! I was best man do I did it out of respect to my bro and his wife. The Padre was hot!

jmayo

super_furry wrote: »

Can paedophile priests still get communion?

Won't some of them be the ones dishing it out ?

As for confiscation of property to pay victims, we should have taken a leaf out of the Canadians book and prevented this cr** about allowing them put the property into the like of trusts (some of which are managed by some very well connected people in this state) and just had them sold off.

My name is URL

awec wrote: »

In response the TDs should threaten to remove the tax loopholes that allow the churches to get away with contributing nothing to society despite raking in the cash

If they want to stoop to such levels and get involved in politics then hit them where it will hurt them the most, in their pocket. Tax them with every tax imaginable.

That should already be the case though.. regardless of any empty threats by the church.

Do you honestly think that FG (a Christian Democratic party) would have any desire to remove tax loopholes for the church?

Duckjob

The catholic church aren't fascists - Fascists dress up in black and go around telling people what to do, whereas......... MORE DRINK!


Serious comment:

As pointed out elsewhere on this thread - an organisation that has spent the last number of decades routinely covering up the rape and buggery of children by its members lecturing us on morals: Just LOL

iDave

Those wafers are horrible anyway. Always though a bit of cheese on them would improve them no end. The fcukers never share the wine either!

Gambas

Funnily enough they never seem to have a problem shovelling it into Bertie's mouth despite his less than whiter-than-white history

dixiefly

I quickly read the articles linked but couldnt see where it is stated that the TD's wont be allowed communion if they vote for the abortion bill.

Am I missing it in the articles or is there another link to their statements where they say what is in the OP?

the culture of deference

Duckjob wrote: »

Serious comment:

As pointed out elsewhere on this thread - an organisation that has spent the last number of decades routinely covering up the rape and buggery of children by its members lecturing us on morals: Just LOL

Don't forget they are responsible for the murder of children, and the forced selling of 300,000 babies stolen from their parent.

They could not afford to have an entirely different version of Christianity spreading within the borders of what it regarded as its domain. And it could not allow people to begin to question the teachings of the Church.

orestes

It's hardly a last gasp effort, it's very much in line with catholic dogma. It's their club, and it's their rules, and the pope makes the rules. The pope says abortion is wrong - therefore practicing catholics can't support abortion. The catholic church isn't a pick-and-mix where you choose which pieces of it you want to follow, if you want to be a part of the club then you either agree with the pope no matter what (Papal infallibility) or you're not doing it right.

For a country so obsessed with the catholic church it's weird how many people here don't understand the basics of being a catholic.

kylith

the culture of deference wrote: »

Don't forget they are responsible for the murder of children, and the forced selling of 300,000 babies stolen from their parent.

Not to mention the enslavement of thousands of women.

Boombastic

orestes wrote: »

It's hardly a last gasp effort, it's very much in line with catholic dogma. It's their club, and it's their rules, and the pope makes the rules. The pope says abortion is wrong - therefore practicing catholics can't support abortion. The catholic church isn't a pick-and-mix where you choose which pieces of it you want to follow, if you want to be a part of the club then you either agree with the pope no matter what (Papal infallibility) or you're not doing it right.

For a country so obsessed with the catholic church it's weird how many people here don't understand the basics of being a catholic.

We do things differently, we're Irish Catholics dontcha know.. :pac:

Weddings, communions in fact any ceremony where we get to dress up, we are upstanding Catholics, but actually believing :rolleyes: