td's wont be allowed to take communion if they vote for abortion.

greenpilot

Just heard this on RTE. Is this the last gasp of a dying church?

Crann na Beatha

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Boombastic

Who cares?

gramar

greenpilot wrote: »

Just heard this on RTE. Is this the last gasp of a dying church?

It sounds like an empty threat to me.

Taxburden carrier

Are they not taking enough already ?:rolleyes:

mailforkev

I heard the tooth fairy won't leave 50c under their pillows anymore either.

Mrs Garth Brooks

Ah sure il become a TD. I'd love the money and I dont get communion. I dont even go to mass.

This is ridiculous, if true.

Cantona's Collars

Welcome back 1950.

Sarky

All it'll take is one pub offering TDs a free pint if they vote yes, and the bill will pass by a landslide.

jmayo

What arre they threatening shatter with ?
Perhaps they would turn a blind eye to him being gassed ?

Chucken

greenpilot wrote: »

Just heard this on RTE. Is this the last gasp of a dying church?

They're the rules!

There are other instances where you cant receive communion too.

Its not a 'last gasp', the Church are just reminding them of the rules.

o1s1n

Wow, you think the catholic church can't stoop any lower and then you hear something like this.

Talk about disgusting meddling behaviour. I really wish they'd just **** off.

EuskalHerria

Spitting their dummies out on what should be a completely secular issue.

Catholic Church to TD's - Your not allowed play with our toys!"

Some day in the, hopefully close, future we'll be able to laugh at this nonsense. A day when Fr Ted will appear to be a documentary.

Pherekydes

Sacramento wrote: »

This is ridiculous, if true.

The sad thing is some will actually be influenced by it.

Freddy Smelly

greenpilot wrote: »

Just heard this on RTE. Is this the last gasp of a dying church?

votes are secret. the church would have no way to tell who voted for it

awec

In response the TDs should threaten to remove the tax loopholes that allow the churches to get away with contributing nothing to society despite raking in the cash

If they want to stoop to such levels and get involved in politics then hit them where it will hurt them the most, in their pocket. Tax them with every tax imaginable.

Dr. Nooooo!

Fair enough I think, can't expect to be a catholic if you don't follow the rules but in fact blatantly contradicting a core piece of catholic ideology re human life is a step further than the usual breaches of using contraception etc

Not that I agree with the churchs pov btw

Dr. Nooooo!

Freddy Smelly wrote: »

votes are secret. the church would have no way to tell who voted for it

Where you getting that from?

seamus

A priest can only refuse communion to someone they know to be living in grave sin. All the TDs have to do is go to confession after they've voted, bingo-bango the curse is lifted.

Or, you know, they could grow up and stop with the make-believe.

o1s1n

Chucken wrote: »

They're the rules!

There are other instances where you cant receive communion too.

Its not a 'last gasp', the Church are just reminding them of the rules.

Isn't it amazing how they are 'reminding' TDs of the rules coincidentally at the exact same time the issue is being discussed politically?

They're trying to sway how the TDs vote, simple as really. Meddling in politics as usual.

Boombastic

You'd think they make them burst in to flames on entering a church.

awec

It's also pretty hilarious that an organisation like the church is trying to take the moral high ground on this issue.

Is Sean Brady allowed to take communion?

They have "morals" when it suits.

hardCopy

They'll starve Joe!

Gorilla Rising

Oh no! No more magic bread!

It's telling them Santa won't leave them any presents under the tree next Christmas if they vote for abortion.

My name is URL

Pherekydes wrote: »

The sad thing is some will actually be influenced by it.

Well.. if they allow themselves to be influenced by it then they'll be showing themselves for what they are.

They've a choice here after all. They can act on behalf of their constituents and the interest of society or they base their decision on bull****.

JRant

Does this mean it'll be extra communion for the ones who vote against the bill?

Giblet

Surely any smart person doesn't believe in sky ghosts and as such, doesn't go to mass right?

padd b1975

greenpilot wrote: »

Just heard this on RTE. Is this the last gasp of a dying church?

Link to offical Church statement?

WayneMolloy

Pherekydes wrote: »

The sad thing is some will actually be influenced by it.

Bill them for payouts the victims of clerical child abuse received - that will soften their cough.

The church should realise its on thin ice and avoid political discourse.

super_furry

Can paedophile priests still get communion?

Spurtacus

So if they vote against if so a woman with a treatable condition is allowed die needlessly that's OK in the church's eyes ?
These relic folk worshipping the sky fairies would really want to take a 2nd look at this.

Siobhnk

Sure if that's the way the Church are taking it, any person using any form of birth control wouldn't be allowed receive it.

LFCFan

Surely this isn't a vote for abortion. It's a vote to implement legislation for already existing laws to make it clearer for women and for health professionals to do their job without fear of prosecution?

C.K Dexter Haven

Chucken wrote: »

They're the rules!

There are other instances where you cant receive communion too.

Its not a 'last gasp', the Church are just reminding them of the rules.

I disagree. In Catholic terms, the legalisation of abortion debate is a debate of conscience - voting in favour of abortion is totally different to having an abortion.
While the Catholic Church may want you to vote no, conscience reigns supreme over this- at least that's what the Catholic Church told me many years ago.

super_furry

LFCFan wrote: »

Surely this isn't a vote for abortion. It's a vote to implement legislation for already existing laws to make it clearer for women and for health professionals to do their job without fear of prosecution?

Shhh. Don't try to make sense or they'll be around your house screaming "Abortion isn't a cure for suicidality!!!!"

c_man

greenpilot wrote: »

td's wont be allowed to take communion if they vote for abortion.

They can make do with Milky Way buttons.

Ray Palmer

seamus wrote: »

A priest can only refuse communion to someone they know to be living in grave sin. All the TDs have to do is go to confession after they've voted, bingo-bango the curse is lifted.

Or, you know, they could grow up and stop with the make-believe.

Not true confession is not a blanket "I forgive you" you have to make up for your sins. If you are going to believe the mumbo jumbo they write the rules so it is up to them.

Although I don't know under what rule/belief they can tell TDs they are not entitled to the sacrament.

RobbingBandit

Government response should be if you take away our bread we'll take away the boys.

Merkin

Link to broadcast or it didn't happen....

bladespin

Chucken wrote: »

They're the rules!

There are other instances where you cant receive communion too.

Its not a 'last gasp', the Church are just reminding them of the rules.

How are they the rules? Explain please because there's nothing I've ever read about the church that mentions this.

Gbear

Their own private club, they can do as they like.

Of course, if they were consistent, very few Catholics would be left. Even most of the clergy probably don't follow the rules as set out in the bible.

It's far more embarrassing that any TDs would actually give a ****e.

opinion guy

Bishops calling law immoral:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/bishops-say-proposed-abortion-law-morally-unacceptable-1.1381715


OK seriously. Can we just confiscate all their property now to compensate their victims ?
Better yet - lets prosecute some of them for sheltering paedos and obstructing justice

awec

opinion guy wrote: »

Bishops calling law immoral:

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/bishops-say-proposed-abortion-law-morally-unacceptable-1.1381715


OK seriously. Can we just confiscate all their property now to compensate their victims ?
Better yet - lets prosecute some of them for sheltering paedos and obstructing justice

That really is infuriating.

How DARE that organisation lecture anyone on morals. :mad: :mad:

Dartz

Excommunication is no longer the threat it was in the middle ages.

This isn't 1970. The ossified hierarchy will die before they realise the world has moved on, however.

paddy147

greenpilot wrote: »

Just heard this on RTE. Is this the last gasp of a dying church?

But yet Priests can molest boys and girls...:rolleyes::mad:

Sarky

C.K Dexter Haven wrote: »

conscience reigns supreme over this- at least that's what the Catholic Church told me many years ago.

That doesn't sound like something the Catholic Church would say. Priests decide what's right and wrong, the flock obeys. It's right there in the cathechism. There's none of this "conscience" stuff. Far too similar to "thinking for yourself".

the culture of deference

awec wrote: »

In response the TDs should threaten to remove the tax loopholes that allow the churches to get away with contributing nothing to society despite raking in the cash

If they want to stoop to such levels and get involved in politics then hit them where it will hurt them the most, in their pocket. Tax them with every tax imaginable.

Or better still.

DO WHAT AUSTRALIA HAS DONE

Historic Royal Commission into Institutional Responses to Child Sexual Abuse will begin in the Victorian County Court in Melbourne today.

awec wrote: »

It's also pretty hilarious that an organisation like the church is trying to take the moral high ground on this issue.

Is Sean Brady allowed to take communion?

They have "morals" when it suits.

super_furry wrote: »

Can paedophile priests still get communion?

A paedo priest is allowed communion.

BUT

Edward Peters, a legal advisor to the Vatican, and the Archbishop of Detroit have claimed that homosexual Catholics participating in holy Communion—the most routine of The Seven Sacraments—are not entitled to it, and accepting it would be an act of perjury.

Full story here: http://www.queerty.com/gays-accepting-holy-communion-commit-perjury-says-legal-advisor-to-the-vatican-20130408/#ixzz2SEbMTwR5

Ash.J.Williams

What about gay td's (or openly gay td's as they're called now) should we put them to death?

Defiler Of The Coffin

As long as TDs are still allowed to go to funerals I don't think they'll mind too much

efb

I took communion at my brothers wedding, I didn't melt! I was best man do I did it out of respect to my bro and his wife. The Padre was hot!