Second Captains

Say Your Number

Also Living on the Volcano and the year he spent with Millwall are excellent books.

dulux99

Shame Ken is off today. Would have enjoyed his dissection of the Ireland performance. He's at his best covering Ireland imo.

dr.kenneth noisewater

dulux99 wrote: »

Shame Ken is off today. Would have enjoyed his dissection of the Ireland performance. He's at his best covering Ireland imo.

Yeah but looking forward to hearing him next week. Good to have 2 guys on debating the issues rather than just bashing MON

D.Q

Have a ticket going for the thursday if anyone is interested. Forgot it clashed with another gig I'm going to. Face value obviously.

jones

dulux99 wrote: »

Shame Ken is off today. Would have enjoyed his dissection of the Ireland performance. He's at his best covering Ireland imo.

WTF no ken again? This is the second time in two weeks he's been missing when i've been looking forward to hearing his take

dulux99

jones wrote: »

dulux99 wrote: »

Shame Ken is off today. Would have enjoyed his dissection of the Ireland performance. He's at his best covering Ireland imo.

WTF no ken again? This is the second time in two weeks he's been missing when i've been looking forward to hearing his take

I know it's a joke, it's almost like these people have lives outside of their working commitments or something.

jones

dulux99 wrote:

I know it's a joke, it's almost like these people have lives outside of their working commitments or something.

I know... Outrageous

santino

Any sign of the Sharon Horgan interview podcast from a few Saturdays back? Can't find it...nor on playback?

Ol' Donie

santino wrote: »

Any sign of the Sharon Horgan interview podcast from a few Saturdays back? Can't find it...nor on playback?

It's probaly on your podcast feed under Second Captains Sunday.

Robert McGrath

Ol' Donie wrote: »

It's probaly on your podcast feed under Second Captains Sunday.

Nope. I looked for it there too.

OldMrBrennan83

Yeah it's gone off the list on mine too.

OldMrBrennan83

Not here either. I wonder did she have it take down or something?

https://www.rte.ie/radio1/podcast/podcast_secondcaptainssunday.xml

styron

Still on the RTE site:

https://www.rte.ie/radio1/second-captains-sunday/podcasts/

OldMrBrennan83

styron wrote: »

Still on the RTE site:

https://www.rte.ie/radio1/second-captains-sunday/podcasts/

I see it's there on the link I'd posted earlier too. Must have only put it up on it this morning.

santino

Ya just saw it's in the podcast feed now. Cheers

Arghus

Crouchy is the best.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Arghus wrote: »

Crouchy is the best.

Football pod was excellent.

The normal pod was weird. Their take on the Serena Williams thing was a bit odd. She had and absolute meltdown on court, abused the umpire and ref, claims sexism after... its straight forward, she’s wrong.

Edit: To be fair, having listened to all the pod Ken hit the nail on the head...which was unexpected considering their usual social justice leftie leaning take on most of these things.

Arghus

Thought they were very fair in their coverage of the Serena Williams fiasco. It was a pleasure to listen to people try to debate something with a bit of acknowledgement of potential shades of grey and nuance.

I'd contrast that with the ginormous thread on the subject that's been going strong over in After Hours, which is a hell of hot takes.

Loafing Oaf

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Football pod was excellent.

Loved the bit about Keane really doing his homework when he was disparaging people previously, was it Neil Lennon he was telling Keane's garage was bigger than his house. Now he's just a 'journeyman', calling Arter a prick etc.

jones

I enjoyed the conversation yesterday but i totally agree with ken this is very simple she was in the wrong and was punished accordingly. To start going on about being a mother and feminist etc is just smoke and mirrors and i actually think its dangerous to entertain the notion. I was surprised your one Sinead seems to be backing SW up to an extent as did the american contributor. I think if this had happened to a man it would be the exact same.

Anyway back on topic i love second captains

Cienciano

Peter Crouch selling his Aston Martin because of a look Roy Keane gave him.

Salvation Tambourine

jones wrote: »

I enjoyed the conversation yesterday but i totally agree with ken this is very simple she was in the wrong and was punished accordingly. To start going on about being a mother and feminist etc is just smoke and mirrors and i actually think its dangerous to entertain the notion. I was surprised your one Sinead seems to be backing SW up to an extent as did the american contributor. I think if this had happened to a man it would be the exact same.

Anyway back on topic i love second captains

There was something small and maybe insignificant that she said that stuck with me.

Due to a lack of data to back up Williams' claims she said "we can't be sure" that men and women are treated differently, it was if she fully believes it but is waiting for proof rather than saying "we don't know".

I'm probably reading too much into her choice of words.

lawred2

jones wrote: »

I enjoyed the conversation yesterday but i totally agree with ken this is very simple she was in the wrong and was punished accordingly. To start going on about being a mother and feminist etc is just smoke and mirrors and i actually think its dangerous to entertain the notion. I was surprised your one Sinead seems to be backing SW up to an extent as did the american contributor. I think if this had happened to a man it would be the exact same.

Anyway back on topic i love second captains

I don't think they were fully backing her up really... but were certainly more than willing to engage in contextualising as a way to indulge/explain/excuse Serena's behaviour

Arghus

I didn't feel that they (the two contributors) were firmly in the Serena camp - they were highly critical of her in parts - but they were interested in placing the media storm in context, because it is a bigger story than just a player throwing a strop.

Serena is a lightning rod for all sorts of coverage, positive and negative. So I think the story is really about how her meltdown is talked about, rather than the meltdown itself. Let's face it, if it was anyone else, it wouldn't be a story to interest 99% of people

lawred2

Nokotan wrote: »

There was something small and maybe insignificant that she said that stuck with me.

Due to a lack of data to back up Williams' claims she said "we can't be sure" that men and women are treated differently, it was if she fully believes it but is waiting for proof rather than saying "we don't know".

I'm probably reading too much into her choice of words.

You should listen back, almost immediately before she said "we can't be sure" she said "we don't know" if the men are treated differently.

So I'd say you are reading too much into her choice of words

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Arghus wrote: »

I didn't feel that they (the two contributors) were firmly in the Serena camp - they were highly critical of her in parts - but they were interested in placing the media storm in context, because it is a bigger story than just a player throwing a strop.

Serena is a lightning rod for all sorts of coverage, positive and negative. So I think the story is really about how her meltdown is talked about, rather than the meltdown itself. Let's face it, if it was anyone else, it wouldn't be a story to interest 99% of people

Yeah it was really good to have an actual discussion on the matter and not have SC just tell you their left leaning bias on the story like they usually do. Two excellent pods yesterday.

Salvation Tambourine

lawred2 wrote: »

You should listen back, almost immediately before she said "we can't be sure" she said "we don't know" if the men are treated differently.

So I'd say you are reading too much into her choice of words

Cheers for that, maybe it was just those words that stuck with me.

Raisins

lawred2 wrote: »

I don't think they were fully backing her up really... but were certainly more than willing to engage in contextualising as a way to indulge/explain/excuse Serena's behaviour

I think both those contributors have been excellent in the past but those contexts they referenced had nothing to do with the poor umpire who Serena has accused and continues to accuse of penalising her only because she’s a black woman. There’s no example of Serena being mistreated by racist or sexist umpires. There’s loads of examples of Serena abusing officials (both men and women) especially when she’s losing. I thought the way she brought her gender and daughter into it and then went on to console her opponent on the podium was breathtakingly cynical. I’m fairness to ken he brought some balance. Great pod.

jones

Raisins wrote:

I think both those contributors have been excellent in the past but those contexts they referenced had nothing to do with the poor umpire who Serena has accused and continues to accuse of penalising her only because she’s a black woman. There’s no example of Serena being mistreated by racist or sexist umpires. There’s loads of examples of Serena abusing officials (both men and women) especially when she’s losing. I thought the way she brought her gender and daughter into it and then went on to console her opponent on the podium was breathtakingly cynical. I’m fairness to ken he brought some balance. Great pod.

This

yosser hughes

The core issue here is that Serena Williams openly accused the umpire of sexism, dishonesty and corruption. She called him a thief. He applied the sanctions according to the rules that's all that matters.
She defamed him and he could and should sue.
Bringing anything else in to this; really is irrelevant and a diversion.