North vs South

.ak

Well that's it isn't it? You're the one talking about tries. Tries don't translate into good wingers. Otherwise you'd have Visser on most teams.

Brown's positional awareness and footballing is outstanding. People thought we'd be able to punish and out of position FB by kicking over his head, and we got punished for it. But let's take Brown out of the equation - what has Malz down recently to warrant being put ahead of Bowe, Ashton or even Zebo?

corny

.ak wrote: »

Tries don't translate into good wingers.

No but its a help when can score.;)

Going in circles now.

siltirocker

A few have left out Parisse. Each to their own I suppose.

henryporter

Haven't seen many calls for the current Irish Captain, not even on the bench:D

BGozIE

SH shout;

1. Mtawarira
2. Adrian Strauss
3. Franks
4. Whitelock
5. Horwill
6. Higginbotham / Pocock (If pocock has ever played 6 i'd have him here)
7. McCaw
8. Read
9. Genia
10. Carter
11. Habana
12. Nonu
13. Smith
14. Folau
15. Dagg

Hagz

My North

1. Cian Healy
2. Richard Hibbard
3. Adam Jones
4. Alun Wyn Jones
5. Paul O'Connell
6. Thierry Dusatoir
7. Sean O'Brien
8. Toby Faletau
9. Morgan Parra
10. Jonathan Sexton
11. George North
12. Wesley Fofana
13. Manu Tuilagi
14. Tommy Bowe
15. Leigh Halfpenny

My South

1. Tendai Mtawarira
2. Bismark Du Plessis
3. Owen Franks
4. Eben Etzebeth
5. James Horwill
6. Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe
7. Richie McCaw
8. Kieran Read
9. Will Genia
10. Dan Carter
11. Julien Savea
12. Ma'a Nonu
13. Conrad Smith
14. Cory Jane
15. Israel Dagg

.ak

henryporter wrote: »

Haven't seen many calls for the current Irish Captain, not even on the bench:D

It's funny actually, because he outplayed Parisse and Picamoles this year. But you'd imagine that's down to being on a better team.

Picamoles is just a beast tho. For me he's the inform 8 in NH atm.

BoarHunter

1.Healy
2.Hibbard
3.Mas
4.AWJ
5.POC
6.Dusautoir
7.O'Brien
8.Parisse
9.Philipps
10.Wilkinson
11.North
12.Fofana
13.Tuilagi
14.Venditti
15.Halfpenny

Glass Prison 1214

BoarHunter wrote: »

1.Healy
2.Hibbard
3.Mas
4.AWJ
5.POC
6.Dusautoir
7.O'Brien
8.Parisse
9.Philipps
10.Wilkinson
11.North
12.Fofana
13.Tuilagi
14.Venditti
15.Halfpenny

I don't know about Wilkinson, based on what I have seen this year he relies heavily on a dominant pack. I don't think hes a patch on Sexton anymore. There are also several scrum halves I would start before Phillips including your two scrumhalves Parra and Machenaud. Apart from those calls I like the look of your team.

Tox56

Glass Prison 1214 wrote: »

I don't know about Wilkinson, based on what I have seen this year he relies heavily on a dominant pack. I don't think hes a patch on Sexton anymore. There are also several scrum halves I would start before Phillips including your two scrumhalves Parra and Machenaud. Apart from those calls I like the look of your team.

I'd go a step further and say having Wilkinson (and to an extent Phillips) in that backline would be an absolute travesty given the talent available, although having said that it isn't a patch on the potential SH backline..

Would love to see a match like this happen but I get the feeling it would turn out like the NFL Pro Bowl, with the players just jogging around to avoid injury. It wouldn't have the history and significance of something like the Lions

.ak

Funnily enough, I reckon had Wilko toured with the Lions he'd be the number 1 OH. Just because that's the way Gatland played.

Tox56

.ak wrote: »

Funnily enough, I reckon had Wilko toured with the Lions he'd be the number 1 OH. Just because that's the way Gatland played.

I don't think so, you could say the same of Farrell and he barely got a sniff in the tests. Wilkson wouldn't have played the kicking game any better than Sexton did imo, just because he isn't (wasn't ) used like that for Leinster doesn't mean he is bad at it. If he played all season in a team that valued tactical kicking above all else, I'd wager we would be talking about how great he is with the boot. G&GR highlighted his tactical kicking before the tour and although most said they were ignoring his ability with ball in hand, they were spot on if that's how the assumed he would be used on this tour. If you want Sexton to play Wilkinson's game he is excellent at it

.ak

Tox56 wrote: »

I don't think so, you could say the same of Farrell and he barely got a sniff in the tests. Wilkson wouldn't have played the kicking game any better than Sexton did imo, just because he isn't (wasn't ) used like that for Leinster doesn't mean he is bad at it. If he played all season in a team that valued tactical kicking above all else, I'd wager we would be talking about how great he is with the boot. G&GR highlighted his tactical kicking before the tour and although most said they were ignoring his ability with ball in hand, they were spot on if that's how the assumed he would be used on this tour. If you want Sexton to play Wilkinson's game he is excellent at it

I don't disagree with any of that, but I reckon that's not how Gatty would've seen it. The fact he was looking to bring Wilko over other OH candidates was in itself a bit of a joke.

There's actually a fair shout that we'd have a Georgian representative at 3.

The Lions is over. Anyone referring to Gatland as Gatty is to be distrusted.

twinytwo

bilston wrote: »

Just the eight members of the worst team in the Six Nations then!

France - 8
Ireland - 3
Wales - 2
Italy - 1
Georgia - 1

Interesting breakdown given how the Six Nations and Lions tour panned out

Its a NH V SH 15... the who did what in the 6 nations has F all to do with it.

bilston

twinytwo wrote: »

Its a NH V SH 15... the who did what in the 6 nations has F all to do with it.

Fair enough I'm not going to waste my energy getting into a debate over a fictitious team.

matthew8

SH:
1. Wyatt Crockett
2. Bismarck Du Plessis
3. Owen Franks
4. Eben Etzebeth
5. James Horwill
6. Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe
7. Richie McCaw
8. Kieran Read
9. Kahn Fotuali'i
10. Dan Carter
11. Bryan Habana
12. Ma'a Nonu
13. Conrad Smith
14. Ben Smith
15. Israel Dagg

1 Samoan, 1 Australian, 1 Argentinian, 3 South Africans and 9 New Zealanders. Pretty much as I would guess it would go given the state of the teams.

Wings are the hardest to pick, Habana, Smith, Jane, Savea and Folau all very good.

Genia at 9 surely!?

matthew8

Deleted User wrote: »

Genia at 9 surely!?

He has some bad games. I've never seen Fotuali'i have a bad game.

CatFromHue

matthew8 wrote: »

He has some bad games. I've never seen Fotuali'i have a bad game.

Fotuali'i doesn't play at the same level as Genia. Genia is proven world class whereas Fotuali'i isn't.

matthew8

CatFromHue wrote: »

Fotuali'i doesn't play at the same level as Genia. Genia is proven world class whereas Fotuali'i isn't.

Fotuali'i was world class at the 2011 world cup in a pool with SA and Wales in it. He's had no decline from then. They both clearly have all the tools, I just think Kahn makes fewer mistakes.