Would Clonmel support Community Radio?

DT100

I kinda stole the thread title from another area of boards,but the thread starter posts here,so am hoping its alright.So what do you think of the idea of a community radio for Clonmel.Is it wanted/needed? Would it get support from organisations that may feel that the licenced station for the county is not really catering for the community,except for maybe,a few weekend hours?This is not a swipe at any one,and I am not starting the thread for that intention.Maybe the people that may be interested in such a station,may not frequent boards.If not,what is the better way to guage interest?

Meathlass

Do you mean as a rival for Tipp Fm with a sole focus on Clonmel? I think the age group that frequent boards are probably not your target market to be honest.

What's the population of Clonmel and its surrounding areas that the broadcast would reach? Let's say 25,000 people. Seems like too small a base for a station.

In terms of gauging interest, maybe speak to local community groups, retirement homes etc.

LoveCoke

DT100 wrote: »

I kinda stole the thread title from another area of boards,but the thread starter posts here,so am hoping its alright.So what do you think of the idea of a community radio for Clonmel.Is it wanted/needed? Would it get support from organisations that may feel that the licenced station for the county is not really catering for the community,except for maybe,a few weekend hours?This is not a swipe at any one,and I am not starting the thread for that intention.Maybe the people that may be interested in such a station,may not frequent boards.If not,what is the better way to guage interest?

isn't there one in the hospital? Does that not broadcast to the community?

DT100

LoveCoke wrote: »

isn't there one in the hospital? Does that not broadcast to the community?

Meathlass wrote: »

Do you mean as a rival for Tipp Fm with a sole focus on Clonmel? I think the age group that frequent boards are probably not your target market to be honest.

What's the population of Clonmel and its surrounding areas that the broadcast would reach? Let's say 25,000 people. Seems like too small a base for a station.

In terms of gauging interest, maybe speak to local community groups, retirement homes etc.

A Community Radio would be an alternative to Tipp FM,and wouldnt be a profit making station.If you had 25,000 listeners,it would be very goos for a community station,but would be less than that I would think.To answer LoveCoke....A hospital radio licence is an Institutional licence,and although the Hospital Radio in Clonmelcan be heard in surrounding areas,its meant only for the hospital campus.

Xenophile

Together Clonmel and Carrick on Suir would support a community radio. Strictly on a non profit basis. See Wikipedia for a good definition. Local Community Councils would have to be involved to make it work.

LoveCoke

DT100 wrote: »

A Community Radio would be an alternative to Tipp FM,and wouldnt be a profit making station.If you had 25,000 listeners,it would be very goos for a community station,but would be less than that I would think.To answer LoveCoke....A hospital radio licence is an Institutional licence,and although the Hospital Radio in Clonmelcan be heard in surrounding areas,its meant only for the hospital campus.

Is TippFM making a profit?

LoveCoke

Xenophile wrote: »

Together Clonmel and Carrick on Suir would support a community radio. Strictly on a non profit basis. .

how can you know this? Are you involved in some group

DT100

LoveCoke wrote: »

Is TippFM making a profit?

What I meant in my post was that Tipp FM is a commercial radio station,making money from adverts.A community station can only make 50% of the cost of running the station from advertising.

Xenophile

LoveCoke wrote: »

how can you know this? Are you involved in some group

If we replace the original word "support" used by the OP and replace it with the word "sustain" this would be a more accurate statement of my view. I think it will happen in our area when enough people really want it.

LoveCoke

DT100 wrote: »

What I meant in my post was that Tipp FM is a commercial radio station,making money from adverts.A community station can only make 50% of the cost of running the station from advertising.

OK I see

LoveCoke

Xenophile wrote: »

If we replace the original word "support" used by the OP and replace it with the word "sustain" this would be a more accurate statement of my view. I think it will happen in our area when enough people really want it.

Ok understand now.

Theres a lot of work and commitment involved in starting a Community Radio station.To even get a one year licence is difficult,to progress beyond that takes proof that the one year licence was sustainable.The way some community stations start now,is via the Internet,but its not as easy as turning on a radio,and the listener you hope to gain,may not be using the media, you are using, to launch a service,which will be mainly aimed at them.While online broadcasting is a much cheaper way to broadcast,many forget,that music royalties still have to be paid,if you want to keep things legal.Community radio has to come from a desire within the community,that what is available to them is not suiting their needs,and of course people that have the vision to do something about that desire/need...without that,you have nothing.
PL

LoveCoke

Deleted User wrote: »

Theres a lot of work and commitment involved in starting a Community Radio station.To even get a one year licence is difficult,to progress beyond that takes proof that the one year licence was sustainable.The way some community stations start now,is via the Internet,but its not as easy as turning on a radio,and the listener you hope to gain,may not be using the media, you are using, to launch a service,which will be mainly aimed at them.While online broadcasting is a much cheaper way to broadcast,many forget,that music royalties still have to be paid,if you want to keep things legal.Community radio has to come from a desire within the community,that what is available to them is not suiting their needs,and of course people that have the vision to do something about that desire/need...without that,you have nothing.
PL

have you experience in this

LoveCoke

LoveCoke wrote: »

have you experience in this

Yes LoveCoke,I would have some:D

LoveCoke

Deleted User wrote: »

Yes LoveCoke,I would have some:D

what exp have you? Are you going to start up a community station or be part of it?

LoveCoke

LoveCoke wrote: »

what exp have you? Are you going to start up a community station or be part of it?

I was just adding to the posts already on the thread JustCoke.You seem to have a great interest in radio,is it something you would like to do? I dont think Clonmel will have a community station in the near future,but I may be wrong.What are your thoughts on this?

touts

If a highly skilled, multi-talented genius and national inspiration like Georgie couldnt make a Clonmel Radio Station work what chance do mere plebs. Oh wait.......

DT100

touts wrote: »

If a highly skilled, multi-talented genius and national inspiration like Georgie couldnt make a Clonmel Radio Station work what chance do mere plebs. Oh wait.......

When I started the thread,I said I didnt want it to end up as a"Taking a swipe at anyone " thread..From what I know George didnt ever run a radio station in Clonmel,he just did a weekend show on one of the pirates that was on in the 80's.I think myself that if the right people could get together,a community station would work in Clonmel.When I listen to Tipp fm,I get a feeling that they have more listeners in the north of the county.When I go into shops in Clonmel,Its rare I hear Tipp FM on the radio.I dont know anything about the running or the setting up of a station,but lots of other towns have them,so why not Clonmel?

LoveCoke

DT100 wrote: »

When I started the thread,I said I didnt want it to end up as a"Taking a swipe at anyone " thread..From what I know George didnt ever run a radio station in Clonmel,he just did a weekend show on one of the pirates that was on in the 80's.I think myself that if the right people could get together,a community station would work in Clonmel.When I listen to Tipp fm,I get a feeling that they have more listeners in the north of the county.When I go into shops in Clonmel,Its rare I hear Tipp FM on the radio.I dont know anything about the running or the setting up of a station,but lots of other towns have them,so why not Clonmel?

some of the people on the dole who never worked but drive big cars might help out

DT100

LoveCoke wrote: »

some of the people on the dole who never worked but drive big cars might help out

You seemed interested and making reasonable posts until this one.

Frowzy

Aaron Burchael who used to do the Breakfast show on Tipp FM has started his own radio station. It's only available on the net, but it's not for profit and there's no ads. He's great for all the local news and sports results (including the car racing at Rosegreen). As he's on his own, there are times of the day when the music is played by the computer, but it might be what you're looking for OP.

Tune in on www.RealGoodRadio.org

LoveCoke

DT100 wrote: »

You seemed interested and making reasonable posts until this one.

if you knew what i do it is a reasonable post. there are things that people know that cannot be written. sorry did not mean to derail your thread. it is a good idea.

LoveCoke

Frowzy wrote: »

Aaron Burchael who used to do the Breakfast show on Tipp FM has started his own radio station. It's only available on the net, but it's not for profit and there's no ads. He's great for all the local news and sports results (including the car racing at Rosegreen). As he's on his own, there are times of the day when the music is played by the computer, but it might be what you're looking for OP.

Tune in on www.RealGoodRadio.org

the only community he is intersted in is himself. way too self absorbed. apparently thought he was too good for tipp fm. his show was ego driven and silly and fitted tipp fm to a t

chris2008x

From The Nenagh Guardian might be of interest to the OP

Stella FM to hold public meeting
Stella FM, your local community radio, is to hold a public meeting on May 9th at 7.30 in McKenna’s “The Yanks”, Main Street, Borrisokane. CRAOL (the forum for community radio in Ireland) and the Broadcasting Authority of Ireland (BAI) will attend on the night and will give a brief talk on the advantages of having a community radio in your area. They will also give information on how a community radio station is run, who can get involved and what types of programmes can be made.
Athlone Community Radio, who recently facilitated a training programme in the Borrisokane area, will also be there on the night to present training certificates to 20 volunteers who have recently completed a radio training programme which was supported by North Tipperary Leader. NTLP are also expected to attend to give information on the type of supports which they can give to existing and developing community groups.
A large crowd is expected on the night as this will be both an informative and an entertaining evening. The meeting is open to everybody. Stella FM’s open door policy ensures that anybody who wishes to find out more about community radio will be made to feel very welcome. It is a not-for-profit organisation and the station will be owned and run by volunteers like “you”. So if you have an hour to spare and you are interested in radio or community development or maybe you might like to develop a very attractive skill set such as communications, audio editing, fundraising, marketing, administration, volunteer recruitment, programme production, presenting etc., why not come to this meeting. It is open to everybody from the young to the not so young. You will all be very welcome. We would love to hear what your ideas are for the radio. Hope you can make it.
Contact us: stellafm@eircom.net   or like and share us on facebook: Stella FM

jkmanc1974

Would be interesting to see actually how many people in Clonmel actually listen to Tipp Fm.....ie would the town support a community radio station? Friend of mine is involved in a similar project in Claremorris and that is doing very well(big station up there is Midwest Radio)

Actually had 2 hours today of Tipp FM whilst doing reports and nearly lost the will to live ha

Brgds
Johnny

LoveCoke

Do staff get paid on community radio or is it voluntary?

LoveCoke

jkmanc1974 wrote: »

Would be interesting to see actually how many people in Clonmel actually listen to Tipp Fm.....ie would the town support a community radio station? Friend of mine is involved in a similar project in Claremorris and that is doing very well(big station up there is Midwest Radio)

Actually had 2 hours today of Tipp FM whilst doing reports and nearly lost the will to live ha

Brgds
Johnny

How will you find out. Tipp FM like to pretend everyone does

DT100

http://craol.ie/1/0/home.html

Thats an interesting site for anyone thinking of setting up,or being part of a Community Radio station.

Looking at the site and forums,it seems a while since anyone posted,but they have current information and news on their Twitter page.

jkmanc1974

Cheers for the link DT100 - some interesting things on the site

Brgds
Johnny

Black Suir

DT100 wrote: »

I kinda stole the thread title from another area of boards,but the thread starter posts here,so am hoping its alright.So what do you think of the idea of a community radio for Clonmel.Is it wanted/needed? Would it get support from organisations that may feel that the licenced station for the county is not really catering for the community,except for maybe,a few weekend hours?This is not a swipe at any one,and I am not starting the thread for that intention.Maybe the people that may be interested in such a station,may not frequent boards.If not,what is the better way to guage interest?

Youghal has a Community Radio Station and it works, and it has a smaller are number wise to Clonmel, so there is no reason why it cant work. I tune into the Youghal station at times. Some of the presenters are good, but some are awful, and some of the music they play is awful. They cover a wide area. They can be clearly heard as far East as Dungarvan and as almost to Cork in an west direction. However, in parts of West Waterford like Kilbrien, parts of Ballinamult, Ballymacarbry, Melleray etc that are high above sea level they too can pick up the station.

If one was set up for Clonmel and was to be clearly heard from say Clonmel to Carrick, maybe beyond it, to Callan and Cashel, in a north direction, to Clogheen and Ballypooreen in an west direction and to the outskirts, even into Dungarvan, then it could have a massive listership figure.

Could it rival Tipp FM. At times is it very hard to do this. Add in there is many people in the area that stations like Beat 102-103 or Spin does not appeal to, WLR cannot be picked up in parts of Waterford (on the road from Clonmel to Ballymacarbry) let alone in Co Tipperary.

A community station for Clonmel and its hinterland would work, I have no doubt about it.

LoveCoke

Maybe the people that may be interested in such a station,may not frequent boards.If not,what is the better way to guage interest?

I would say a lot of people who would be interested in comm radio do not frequent boards or any internet site. a lot would be slightly older and not computer lierate. Even a lot of those computer literate may not. If you wanted to reach everyone in Tipp would you start a blog?
Ths thread has ahd just over a thousand views. Compare that with the amount of people who read local papers

To guage interest you would need to have it in the local papers as most people who would be into comm radio tend to read the papers

DT100

Well the way things are with the so called local radio we have,the sooner the better.If there was a community station,they would have programmes and presenters when the could have,and if they had to close at a certain time,because of lack of content /presenters.Tipp FM is a disgrace with all the recorded programmes they have.Do people really think all the programmes are live?If the people do,thats a lie to the listeners.Sometimes at night,I imagine some poor person trying to contact the station,maybe late a t night,to have a song played..people who don't understand such things,people who think they can contact their station when its on air...but whats being played....A pre recorded show....we are given listenership figures,no figures for poor people living alone,who think Tipp FM are at the other end of the phone,just because they hear the sound on the radio:mad:

LoveCoke

DT100 wrote: »

Well the way things are with the so called local radio we have,the sooner the better.If there was a community station,they would have programmes and presenters when the could have,and if they had to close at a certain time,because of lack of content /presenters.Tipp FM is a disgrace with all the recorded programmes they have.Do people really think all the programmes are live?If the people do,thats a lie to the listeners.Sometimes at night,I imagine some poor person trying to contact the station,maybe late a t night,to have a song played..people who don't understand such things,people who think they can contact their station when its on air...but whats being played....A pre recorded show....we are given listenership figures,no figures for poor people living alone,who think Tipp FM are at the other end of the phone,just because they hear the sound on the radio:mad:

what evidence do you have they are not live. ?

DT100

LoveCoke wrote: »

what evidence do you have they are not live. ?

I listen..

LoveCoke

DT100 wrote: »

I listen..

and that is evidence? are they allowed do what you say if they do. why not find out if they are allowed do it

DT100

LoveCoke wrote: »

and that is evidence? are they allowed do what you say if they do. why not find out if they are allowed do it

Hey LoveCoke,I see some of your replies to posts and you look for evidence or source..I am not bloody CSI...I am giving an opinion that it is crap,pretending to be live.The argument if its allowed or not,doesnt come into it.You keep going on abot no news at the weekend....did you find out if that's allowed? did you do anything about it....I thought we were on the same side

LoveCoke

DT100 wrote: »

Hey LoveCoke,I see some of your replies to posts and you look for evidence or source..I am not bloody CSI...I am giving an opinion that it is crap,pretending to be live.The argument if its allowed or not,doesnt come into it.You keep going on abot no news at the weekend....did you find out if that's allowed? did you do anything about it....I thought we were on the same side

Hey yourself My apologies i thought you were stating a fact rather than opinion when you said it is not live

I see some of your replies to posts and you look for evidence or source..I am not bloody CSI

not being smart but if you want to change anything you will need both. internet rants are fine but will not effect change

I thought we were on the same side

we are i just think if you are upset re the not liveness you should do something to find out if it is allowed

Yes someone will make investigation about news

DT100

Well when I answered "listen " to one of your posts....Recorded/voice tracked shows lack time checks and text/requests....If you llisten to the late lounge,the same presenter is on at 4.30 each day...the show has no requests,which you would expect from a show at that time of night,plus no time checks,and some times a silence for many hours when things go wrong.While I answered your post with one word "Listen " it wasn't meant as a smart answer:D

LoveCoke

DT100 wrote: »

Well when I answered "listen " to one of your posts....Recorded/voice tracked shows lack time checks and text/requests....If you llisten to the late lounge,the same presenter is on at 4.30 each day...the show has no requests,which you would expect from a show at that time of night,plus no time checks,and some times a silence for many hours when things go wrong.While I answered your post with one word "Listen " it wasn't meant as a smart answer:D

good points but maybe they are allowed do voice tracked shows. i do not know if they are or not

jkmanc1974

Going back to the original topic.....hopefully someone will start up a venture soon, was listening to Tipp FM late last night(working late) and was definitely recorded I would say......average age range of listeners to the station must be old enough?

Brgds
Johnny

LoveCoke

Tipp fm pretty sad today on tipp today. woman spends half the time reading from the papers trying to copy says in the papers from rte but two hours too late

DT100

LoveCoke wrote: »

good points but maybe they are allowed do voice tracked shows. i do not know if they are or not

I don't think voice tracking is a problem as a lot of stations do it,but it probably wasn't in the pitch to gain the licence,as it wasn't in the pitch of any of the other stations either.Maybe they should do what some of the pirates did years ago,and close at midnight.The shuffle on an mp3 player is as good as most of the overnight stations these,come to think of it,better duribg the day as well.

Queen-Mise

LoveCoke wrote: »

what evidence do you have they are not live. ?

It is really easy to tell when a show is pre-recorded - there is no FB, calls, texts, Twitter or any interaction with the public. It is really obvious when you hear a DJ not interacting with the listeners at all.

Some shows are harder to pick out though.

LoveCoke

DT100 wrote: »

I don't think voice tracking is a problem as a lot of stations do it,but it probably wasn't in the pitch to gain the licence,as it wasn't in the pitch of any of the other stations either.Maybe they should do what some of the pirates did years ago,and close at midnight.The shuffle on an mp3 player is as good as most of the overnight stations these,come to think of it,better duribg the day as well.

maybe different in recession. Why not ask the bai are they allowed do voice tracking?

LoveCoke

Queen-Mise wrote: »

It is really easy to tell when a show is pre-recorded - there is no FB, calls, texts, Twitter or any interaction with the public. It is really obvious when you hear a DJ not interacting with the listeners at all.

Some shows are harder to pick out though.

It is really easy to tell when a show is pre-recorded

Some shows are harder to pick out though

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DT100

LoveCoke wrote: »

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It depends how good the person doing the voice tracking etc is.

To have a community radio in clonmel,you would need people with the same passion and drive for radio,as the the clonmel festival/busking people had.

The way things are Tipp FM now,it might be a good time to get like minded people together.

DT100

Well if a community radio station was set up,there wouldn't be a problem getting staff,with all that have left Tipp FM in recent times.

Black Suir

DT100 wrote: »

Well if a community radio station was set up,there wouldn't be a problem getting staff,with all that have left Tipp FM in recent times.

Not a big Tipp FM listener but do tune in every now and again, more over when passing through Co Tipp. Who has gone and where and who has replaced them.

alyssum

Tipp Today is pathetic with the sport obsesion and the spots by therapists slimmers and the nursing home reps all seeking free publicity