Anybody with a gun is a criminal.....apparently.

BattleCorp

George hook doesn't know anybody with a gun because he doesn't associate with criminals.

Nearly puked when I heard him say this on the radio.

Holy God. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

hedzball

George hook should know George Hook has a gun..


... shop



http://www.hookngun.com/






'hdz

homerhop

the man is a mouth piece, between him and joe duffy they would make ya puke

deerhunter1

BattleCorp wrote: »

George hook doesn't know anybody with a gun because he doesn't associate with criminals.

Nearly puked when I heard him say this on the radio.

Holy God. :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

He is always known for putting his foot in it, that is why he is an ass w***e

rowa

I wouldn't get too airated about him , he deliberately causes controversy to keep his name in the headlines, and thats what he has done here, don't feed the troll.

bazza888

i dont know anyone who likes george hook,cause george hook is an ass

The Aussie

By the sound of it he knows just as much about the sport of Shooting as he does Rugby, George Hook is the second worst rugby commentator in Ireland after Hugh Farrelly, that's some effort George keep up the good work and RTE will reward you with more money for being crap at your job if you knock Hugh off the top of the SH!T heap

Sparks

He's on twitter y'know...

https://twitter.com/FTR_Ireland/status/324965848198569985
https://twitter.com/molaoide/status/324929289495650304
https://twitter.com/TheEvertBopp/status/324925839324102656
https://twitter.com/MarkDennehy/status/324963555793305600
https://twitter.com/FTR_Ireland/status/324967074923442176
https://twitter.com/FTR_Ireland/status/324965248677322752
https://twitter.com/FTR_Ireland/status/324964102520856578

and more...

FiachDubh

Its hardly that offensive to you, is it?

Witcher

FiachDubh wrote: »

Its hardly that offensive to you, is it?

Are you a firearm owner?

If you're not then you won't understand.

Dan Wesson

I heard most of the interview.
I'm dissapointed with hook but not a bit surprised, He is on record before saying he hates guns.
Nothing is going to change his mind or his attitude.

The Aussie

Blay wrote: »

Are you a firearm owner?

If you're not then you won't understand.

No, a 17 year old from Cork with more on his plate than non-main stream sports.

Any who, back to George, a Cork man who manages to hate Munster.
A complex oxymoron of a man.

FiachDubh

Blay wrote: »

Are you a firearm owner?

If you're not then you won't understand.

No I am not, but that's beside the point.
People are always going to have conflicting views about things, some of which may be very personal to you. But if you're going to let a stupid off hand remark get under your skin like that you'd want to develop a thicker skin because people sh*t out both ends.

juice1304

It would be different if it were a thing he was not in the position he is in but he is a radio presenter and will have to a certain extent an effect on public opinion. If it were a thing he was to say every priest is a paedophile what do you think would happen that would be a throw away comment but there would be public out cry. If you understood the hoops we have to jump trough and the time and effort we put into our hobby you would have a different opinion. To be a firearms owner you have to have a squeaky clean record and give up some of your civil liberties to a certain extent as the gardai can enter your home whenever they like to check your security and your firearms etc.. I am not a criminal and i don't like being labelled as one. Most people are very ignorant when it comes to firearms as it is and i get enough flack as it is we don't need people like him making stupid comments like that. Anyway a letter to the broadcasting authority should sort it out and have him publicly apologise for his ignorance.

misses with rifles

FiachDubh wrote: »

No I am not, but that's beside the point.
People are always going to have conflicting views about things, some of which may be very personal to you. But if you're going to let a stupid off hand remark get under your skin like that you'd want to develop a thicker skin because people sh*t out both ends.

the problem is hes a national broadcaster and like it or not his opinions carry weight with some people
as a non firearm owner you dont realise the difficulty we face in getting our firearms for or sport and the pressure from the anti firearm crowd to ban them
comments like this stick in impartial peoples minds

misses with rifles

got there before me

Cass

FiachDubh wrote: »

No I am not, but that's beside the point.

Far from it. It is exactly the point. How would you feel if people labelled you with a vicious, insulting, and derogatory name simply because of your lifestyle choices.

I am not a criminal, never been arrested, never been charged/convictied, not even a parking ticket. But because i'm a firearm owner i am now suddenly all of these things.

He is a sensationalist praying on people's fear and misunderstandings about firearms.

The Aussie

Cass wrote: »

How would you feel if people labelled you with a vicious, insulting, and derogatory name simply because of your lifestyle choices.

Scoures FiachDubh's post history...........

Cass

The Aussie wrote: »

Scoures FiachDubh's post history...........

Erm ..............

The Aussie wrote: »

No, a 17 year old from Cork with more on his plate than non-main stream sports..

rowa

Its a well tried pattern of journalistic behaviour, its like jeremy clarkson in the uk , come out with some idiotic insulting untrue statement and cause endless debates and mayhem for a few days in the media, all to get the spotlight on yourself. As for oxymoron :rolleyes:, what about being a tory from cark, he was probabily just grumpy that maggie died.

I wonder will any of the shooting sports bodies complain to newstalk ? A presenter shouldn't be allowed spout absolute rubbish against a large group of people simply because he personally doesn't like a certain sport.

The Aussie

Cass wrote: »

Erm ..............

To use a quote.

FiachDubh wrote: »

If you're going to let a stupid off hand remark get under your skin like that you'd want to develop a thicker skin because people sh*t out both ends.

I know, my bad.

Sparks

FiachDubh wrote: »

Its hardly that offensive to you, is it?

Is it offensive for George Hook to say on the national airwaves that anyone who owns a firearm is a criminal?

Well, I suppose he could have called us thick lying paddies as well...

wexfordman2

FiachDubh wrote: »

No I am not, but that's beside the point.
People are always going to have conflicting views about things, some of which may be very personal to you. But if you're going to let a stupid off hand remark get under your skin like that you'd want to develop a thicker skin because people sh*t out both ends.

Except its not a valid viewpoint by any stretch of the imagination, it is a complete falsehood to label firearms owners as criminals. It is irresponsible lazy typecasting, that should never be allowed pass unchallenged. Its factually incorrect, so is not open to opinion or viewpoint, and its damn near libelous if it was directed at any individual, just because it is directed at a group of people does not make it any less acceptable.

BattleCorp

FiachDubh wrote: »

Its hardly that offensive to you, is it?

As a law abiding shooter, I get very frustrated being lumped in with all the criminals just because I enjoy target shooting.

The media look down upon me because I own a gun. My gun is used for my hobby, the same as someone else uses their golf clubs for their hobby.

I get offended because people with an incorrect perception of my sport sometimes put out very bad information into the public domain and this can cause us law abiding citizens in the shooting community much trouble.

I can't shoot centrefire pistols because a law was passed because of a very incorrect idea put out into the public. It was believed that if you restricted the issuing of centrefire pistols, the government would reduce the number of gun deaths. The thing is, no legally held centrefire pistol was ever used to commit a crime here in this country. So how does banning them cut down on the number of deaths.

All the gangland hits etc are being done with illegal guns. Gun control doesn't do one damn bit of good when it comes to stopping criminals getting access to a gun. It only affects us law abiding citizens because the criminals don't give a fcuk about gun control and will get them anyway.

So, to answer your question, yes, I am offended.

FiachDubh

BattleCorp wrote: »

As a law abiding shooter, I get very frustrated being lumped in with all the criminals just because I enjoy target shooting.

The media look down upon me because I own a gun. My gun is used for my hobby, the same as someone else uses their golf clubs for their hobby.

I get offended because people with an incorrect perception of my sport sometimes put out very bad information into the public domain and this can cause us law abiding citizens in the shooting community much trouble.

I can't shoot centrefire pistols because a law was passed because of a very incorrect idea put out into the public. It was believed that if you restricted the issuing of centrefire pistols, the government would reduce the number of gun deaths. The thing is, no legally held centrefire pistol was ever used to commit a crime here in this country. So how does banning them cut down on the number of deaths.

All the gangland hits etc are being done with illegal guns. Gun control doesn't do one damn bit of good when it comes to stopping criminals getting access to a gun. It only affects us law abiding citizens because the criminals don't give a fcuk about gun control and will get them anyway.

So, to answer your question, yes, I am offended.

This issue obviously means more to people than i thought, I was wrong to make little of it. I hope ye get yer apology from Hooke.

Chiparus

I used to know George, he coached me in rugby years ago, he also knew my father , we use to see him around fitzwilliam tennis club. Both of us are licensed firearm owners.

BlatentCheek

He's a leper alright. Media trolls like him make a career out of speaking nonsense in an aggressive and overconfident fashion: idiots love it as he's "saying it like it is" while anyone else getting angry and making a fuss just raises the trolls profile with any idiots out there who aren't already fans.

I heard him at the time of the Sandy Hook incident talking to a US gun rights advocate who had to point out that people in these incidents rarely use machine guns, which George didn't accept. When the man explained that a machine gun is one where one holds down the trigger to shoot multiple bullets George Hook contended that no gun like that existed; the other chaps sense of exasperation was actually a bit funny.

Not into guns myself but I can certainly appreciate how you'd take offence.

LIFFY FISHING

Lads... we are discussing the opinion of a has been 3rd rated fkuc all use nobody of a rugby player's opinion... his biggest opinion was on errectile disfunction.... lets not give the auld 2nd rate broadcaster on a 3rd rate show any more opinion, as that will give him a basis for a programme tomorrow.

EWQuinn

Huh?? What did I miss? This guy and his web site are in Ohio, and they sell gun stuff, right?

"I suppose he could have called us thick lying paddies as well" - like from the land of the bogs and the little people?

Grizzly 45

Chiparus wrote: »

I used to know George, he coached me in rugby years ago, he also knew my father , we use to see him around fitzwilliam tennis club. Both of us are licensed firearm owners.

Might like to point that fact out to that bigoted buffon next time your paths cross?:)
Question is now do we give this idiot more airtime by demanding an apology from him and that station thru us and our elected bodies,or do we just let it die a death of lack of publcity oxygen??

rowa

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

Might like to point that fact out to that bigoted buffon next time your paths cross?:)
Question is now do we give this idiot more airtime by demanding an apology from him and that station thru us and our elected bodies,or do we just let it die a death of lack of publcity oxygen??

Surely there is some sort of rules against groundless rants by broadcasters that insult a group of people based on nothing but their personal feelings on an issue ? if he had a rant against another group, immigrants or travellers for instance, that couldn't go unpunished surely ?
To the best of my knowledge you can't hold or be granted a firearms cert if you are a convicted criminal, so his assumption that we are all criminals is a complete and utter lie ?

Grizzly 45

Sparks might be more up on this one?
But apprently you cant group libel/defame a bunch of people.However thats not to stop the slighted group from trying to make PR hay out of the matter.
Pavee point is a good case example.

EWQuinn

The site link was redneck looking outfit from Ohio, what are you guys talking about???

The perch looks really great, brings back memories of childhood fishing, freshwater perch was the best eating fish bar none!

BattleCorp

EWQuinn wrote: »

The site link was redneck looking outfit from Ohio, what are you guys talking about???

The perch looks really great, brings back memories of childhood fishing, freshwater perch was the best eating fish bar none!

A radio presenter from Ireland called George Hook made some untrue statements about gun ownership on the radio here in Ireland yesterday. He is very against gun ownership and believes that if all guns were banned, then there would be no gun crime. And anybody with a gun here in Ireland is a criminal. This is the type of crap that some people in the media are spouting over here.





He has no connection to the gun shop in the US. Someone linked that in for a laugh.

BattleCorp

An apology from George Hook is one thing but I think the shooting community should go a bit further.

Give him an invite to come down and see some competitions in action. Show him the rules and regulations we have regarding range use etc. Let him know that we aren't all a bunch of criminals or Rambos going around shooting people left right and centre. Let him talk to us, and see things from our viewpoint. At least then he'd know what he was talking about.


He'd hardly be interested in that though, it's not very sensationalist.

badshot

ignore him
he's a pompous windbag

BattleCorp

If I was a pompous windbag spouting defamatory comments about you, would you ignore it?


Especially when, and even though I hate to admit it, he has the ability to influence some members of the public.

mister gullible

George is quite entertaining and often prompts a bit of criticism however the level of righteous indignation in this thread is hilarious. Of course gun owners are not criminals but maybe some of them are a little thin skinned.

mister gullible

Maybe there is a good hanging tree around :rolleyes:

Sparks

Grizzly 45 wrote: »

But apprently you cant group libel/defame a bunch of people.

Correct, and the law is maddeningly imprecise on the size a group has to be before defamation can/cannot occur.

However thats not to stop the slighted group from trying to make PR hay out of the matter.
Pavee point is a good case example.

Er, no. That's a whole other body of law you're looking at, by declaring themselves a seperate ethnic group, travellers avail of the legislation prohibiting hate speech. As we're not a seperate ethnicity but a diverse group, that option's not available to us.

Sparks

mister gullible wrote: »

George is quite entertaining and often prompts a bit of criticism however the level of righteous indignation in this thread is hilarious. Of course gun owners are not criminals but maybe some of them are a little thin skinned.

Come back and tell us that when you've been told directly that your sport isn't a real sport at all, but just you wanting to kill children (and that's not even a rare occurrence).

BattleCorp

mister gullible wrote: »

George is quite entertaining and often prompts a bit of criticism however the level of righteous indignation in this thread is hilarious. Of course gun owners are not criminals but maybe some of them are a little thin skinned.

I'm not thin skinned, I'm being defensive in protection of my sport.

Public opinion often dictates whether or not I am allowed to take part in the sport that I love (target shooting) because public opinion more often than not dictates what laws politicians make. And sometimes politicians make dumb laws.

If ill-informed people are allowed to put incorrect information onto the public airwaves unchallenged, it could cause us in the shooting community much hassle.

People in the law abiding shooting community are always under attack (so to speak) from the anti-gun side of the debate.

We are constantly looked down upon by people who can't tell the difference between a legally held gun and an illegal gun in the hands of a criminal. Unfortunately, a lot of the powers that be seem not to know that difference either.

Grizzly 45

Sparks wrote: »

Er, no. That's a whole other body of law you're looking at, by declaring themselves a seperate ethnic group, travellers avail of the legislation prohibiting hate speech. As we're not a seperate ethnicity but a diverse group, that option's not available to us.

But its our religion that they are attacking....!!!:) I call out for a fatwah on the infidel George Hook and jihad on the unbelivers!!!:D

wexfordman2

Sparks wrote: »

Correct, and the law is maddeningly imprecise on the size a group has to be before defamation can/cannot occur.

Er, no. That's a whole other body of law you're looking at, by declaring themselves a seperate ethnic group, travellers avail of the legislation prohibiting hate speech. As we're not a seperate ethnicity but a diverse group, that option's not available to us.

Could we not claim discrimination on the grounds that we are "all rednecks"

I vote we declare ourselves members of the redneck nation, we must work to protect and preserve our culture, our way of life, our minority rights, our language etc.

Rednecks of Ireland unite and fight this ignorant discrimination!

mister gullible

Sparks wrote: »

Come back and tell us that when you've been told directly that your sport isn't a real sport at all, but just you wanting to kill children (and that's not even a rare occurrence).

Did George say that, if so it's obvious nonsense and doesn't warrant serious consideration (and waves of indignation).
And I do hunt.

mister gullible

People in the law abiding shooting community are always under attack (so to speak) from the anti-gun side of the debate.

We are constantly looked down upon by people who can't tell the difference between a legally held gun and an illegal gun in the hands of a criminal. Unfortunately, a lot of the powers that be seem not to know that difference either.[/QUOTE]

Ah now....

Sparks

mister gullible wrote: »

Did George say that, if so it's obvious nonsense and doesn't warrant serious consideration (and waves of indignation).

Not explicitly, he just started talking about the gun control debate in the US post-Sandy Hook and then said that only criminals had guns in Ireland. Others, however, have been far more explicit.

And long before this incident, we've seen TDs abuse parliamentary privilege to defame people in our sport in blind denial of the facts, even when we point those facts out to them.

Should we give them no serious consideration either, when they're the ones who subsequently rewrite the firearms acts to ban sports, ban ownership of classes of firearms, and all on the basis of what the public thinks - something set by people like George Hook?

Hell, even article 40 of the constitution makes noises about this kind of thing.

Sparks

mister gullible wrote: »

Ah now....

Yeah, you'd think it was just paranoia, wouldn't you?
It's just that we've actually encountered it, repeatedly, from the media and TDs and Ministers for the last decade or so.
Is it paranoia when it'a part of the public record?

yubabill1

Sparks wrote: »

Yeah, you'd think it was just paranoia, wouldn't you?
It's just that we've actually encountered it, repeatedly, from the media and TDs and Ministers for the last decade or so.
Is it paranoia when it'a part of the public record?

Again, I think we need to form the debate more often.

A timely, moderate email to RTE, Newstalk or wherever is worth gigabytes of fuming indignation in our own forums.

meathstevie

Hang on a minute here about the libel stuff, a lot of firearms owners especially in rural areas are not that anonymous a group at all. People see you walking fields with a gun, neighbours would know you go out shooting etc etc. People like Sparks for example would have a certain public profile, the NARGC has a number of publicly relatively well known members/employees. Not that I have any intention of running to a solicitor about some windbag comment from a man who's not exactly known for consistency in his opinions but he could be on thin ice as far as I can see.

yubabill1

meathstevie wrote: »

Hang on a minute here about the libel stuff, a lot of firearms owners especially in rural areas are not that anonymous a group at all. People see you walking fields with a gun, neighbours would know you go out shooting etc etc. People like Sparks for example would have a certain public profile, the NARGC has a number of publicly relatively well known members/employees. Not that I have any intention of running to a solicitor about some windbag comment from a man who's not exactly known for consistency in his opinions but he could be on thin ice as far as I can see.

You see, I remember when everyone grew veg in their back garden, some had chickens and some had pigs. Not as long ago as you might think.
My point is, we are increasingly becoming removed from the land and urban people have different takes on things.
So, it is up to us to remind them why we need a gun, or a spade, or why we should be allowed rear and kill a pig (almost impossible now).
Each time something niggles, send an email to someone who matters. Doesn't have to be witty, well-written or anything.
Anyone who wants is free to copy any I put up here and send them on.:o