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Milk Price- Please read Mod note in post #1

delaval

24/6/16

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I was wondering would it be a help if we posted our milk prices. I would hope that if someone is low that help could be given, on the other hand if high perhaps your tips could help us all.

I would suggest posting your processors base inc Vat for comparison
Post your Nett price for others to help or be helped
I think that solids should be included.
I suggest any seasonal/liquid contract price be excluded or seperated.

I feel that we as farmers do a lot of bitching about processor prices and rightly so IMO. I also feel that we should not worry about it as we can do nothing about base price but we certainly do something about it at farm level.

What do you all think?

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delaval

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Do that here when we have the oppertunity. Going that close to calving you will have to dry off the cow in the condition you want her to calve on. What I do is manipulate the protein in the overall diet to ensure the cow is gaining condition while milking. No diet feeding here, just test silages and order ration to suit. Lact was not a problem when cow was gaining condition. Milky cow here so often fed seven/eight kg meal but not unusual to be getting 20 lts up to 40 days before calving. Solids will drop away as you go on silage but at present milk price you will make a lot of money.

We had all cows through the crush as we were testing. Vet doing his thing as we were scoring the cows. I am confident that condition is good.

I am curious about you comments on feeding. It's new to me to be pushing to fill a quota. In my experience I found extra protein while it gets milk it can take it off their back.

In a previous life I had all the ingredients off by heart. My silage is being tested next week and I'll post results. I don't intent introducing silage till Nov.

I need to graze 60% so need all mouths working and will house winter milkers at that stage

Basically I want to push cows as hard as I can so what should I feed?

Milked out

delaval wrote: »

We had all cows through the crush as we were testing. Vet doing his thing as we were scoring the cows. I am confident that condition is good.

I am curious about you comments on feeding. It's new to me to be pushing to fill a quota. In my experience I found extra protein while it gets milk it can take it off their back.

In a previous life I had all the ingredients off by heart. My silage is being tested next week and I'll post results. I don't intent introducing silage till Nov.

I need to graze 60% so need all mouths working and will house winter milkers at that stage

Basically I want to push cows as hard as I can so what should I feed?

Do you have many fresh calvers making up the winter milk supply?? I seem to struggle with lactose here as well around this time of year but once cows are housed and more fresh calvers enter the fray it recovers back up for the winter supply. A bit more worried now as fresh calvers calving two weeks later than previously and lactose monthly avg must be 4.5 or above for Nov to feb or bonus gets affected. Feeding 2 kgs of 14%p to stale cows but they were grazing strong covers but lactose is down to 4.4

Brown Podzol

delaval wrote: »

We had all cows through the crush as we were testing. Vet doing his thing as we were scoring the cows. I am confident that condition is good.

I am curious about you comments on feeding. It's new to me to be pushing to fill a quota. In my experience I found extra protein while it gets milk it can take it off their back.

In a previous life I had all the ingredients off by heart. My silage is being tested next week and I'll post results. I don't intent introducing silage till Nov.

I need to graze 60% so need all mouths working and will house winter milkers at that stage

Basically I want to push cows as hard as I can so what should I feed?

Keep the protein in the feed lowish. Good ration,high cereal content, rule of thumb, 14 percent p at grass, 16 with grass silage, 18 with maize silage. Lotsa variables here, present cow condition quality of forage etc. I don't have to tell you that your walking a tightrope to a certain extent. Calving cows in poor body condition and you will cough up all the short term gain in next years lactation.

delaval

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Keep the protein in the feed lowish. Good ration,high cereal content, rule of thumb, 14 percent p at grass, 16 with grass silage, 18 with maize silage. Lotsa variables here, present cow condition quality of forage etc. I don't have to tell you that your walking a tightrope to a certain extent. Calving cows in poor body condition and you will cough up all the short term gain in next years lactation.

The rations your suggesting is as I thought.
I would be very careful with BCS.
My problem with lac is that I will be winter milking with very few autumn calvers. I sold most of them as I expected to be caught with quota, as luck would have it the chance of the extra quota came days after I did the deal so I couldn't pull out

mf240

I find beet pulp nuts great for keeping up lactose, don't know why.

I would agree with all what brown podzol says above.

loveta

Brown Podzol wrote: »

Keep the protein in the feed lowish. Good ration,high cereal content, rule of thumb, 14 percent p at grass, 16 with grass silage, 18 with maize silage. Lotsa variables here, present cow condition quality of forage etc. I don't have to tell you that your walking a tightrope to a certain extent. Calving cows in poor body condition and you will cough up all the short term gain in next years lactation.

I use an independent nutritionalist here and he reckons once a cow is on leaf grass its energy not protein she wants he even went as far as if you could get a hi maize beef ration with mag in it you would be better than a dairy nut. But when we were on the maize it would be a min 21%+ protein

Brown Podzol

delaval wrote: »

The rations your suggesting is as I thought.
I would be very careful with BCS.
My problem with lac is that I will be winter milking with very few autumn calvers. I sold most of them as I expected to be caught with quota, as luck would have it the chance of the extra quota came days after I did the deal so I couldn't pull out

This is the perfect year to do this. As you say yourself grain and milk prices are joined at the hip. But there are lags and leads contracts to be worked through etc. Grain prices are coming down and milk price holding. This extra output will dilute all fixed costs and most variable costs except feed and electricity and labour if you cost it.3 to 4 of your lts. will cover these costs. Added benefit of cash flow. Keep c/a and merchant bills under control and the big summer cheques are yours::

Timmaay

Low lactose is a 2cent penalty, but if your solids are pushing you towards a 50c/l milk price I'd be certainly taking the hit and milking on.

td5man

Timmaay wrote: »

Low lactose is a 2cent penalty, but if your solids are pushing you towards a 50c/l milk price I'd be certainly taking the hit and milking on.

Its spreading :-) ;-)

jomoloney

td5man wrote: »

Its spreading :-) ;-)

dry cow and sealer needed asap

Bactidiaryl

Yeah we got it. Received

td5man

Bactidiaryl wrote: »

Yeah we got it. Received

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freedominacup

td5man wrote: »

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Farmer Pudsey

Timmaay wrote: »

Low lactose is a 2cent penalty, but if your solids are pushing you towards a 50c/l milk price I'd be certainly taking the hit and milking on.

I have heard the saying that it is soo good you say it twice but 5 times Timmaay :rolleyes:

Timmaay

Ha, bloody mobile, if your connection is dodgy (like mine is the whole time!), then don't just keep clicking post like I must have!

freedominacup

46.3c/l here. HO's don't do butterfat but protein is respectable @3.83 BF @ 4.31

td5man

freedominacup wrote: »

46.3c/l here. HO's don't do butterfat but protein is respectable @3.83 BF @ 4.31

You need some of those hungry runts for butterfat

jersey101

49 c/l for sept milk. Bf 4.93 Pr 3.97. Happy with that

Bactidiaryl

td5man wrote: »

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loveta

jersey101 wrote: »

49 c/l for sept milk. Bf 4.93 Pr 3.97. Happy with that

super solids there jersey, what are those ladies of yours averaging daily at the moment?

Farmer Pudsey

delaval wrote: »

Glanbia base 39

We came in at 47
Fat. 4.8
Pro. 3.8

Losing on fixed price but luckily only small % fixed. Will exit 1st scheme in Dec
2nd scheme should yield a top up of 3c that's my best stab it it. As the price has passed 36 in July top up should yield 3c

We have none in latest scheme

Fat and p on yesterday collection
F 5.16
P 3.96
With winter bonus of 6c we should be hitting 56-57c for Oct milk. That's presuming no penalty and grazing conditions remain good

Del boy if you reach 56-57/litre for these cows what way will the costs be in relation to over quota penelty at 28c/litre if you had been in that jam.

jersey101

loveta wrote: »

super solids there jersey, what are those ladies of yours averaging daily at the moment?

doing 16l at the moment. very pleased with that

loveta

jersey101 wrote: »

doing 16l at the moment. very pleased with that

:eek::eek::eek: i am doing very little more than that and have super grass and pro is only running at the moment of 3.6

delaval

jersey101 wrote: »

doing 16l at the moment. very pleased with that

Same here, holding well this year

Viewtodiefor

delaval wrote: »

Same here, holding well this year

Lads what are ye feeding them? can ye give a breakdown. I can't get near that figure! 13l at best!

jersey101

loveta wrote: »

:eek::eek::eek: i am doing very little more than that and have super grass and pro is only running at the moment of 3.6

:D:D:D:l mine are on 3kg of 14% ration 5kg redstart 7kg grassand 3kg silage

delaval

Viewtodiefor wrote: »

Lads what are ye feeding them? can ye give a breakdown. I can't get near that figure! 13l at best!

Were on 4 kg till 7 days ago but too slow grazing.

Now on 3kg 12% ration from Glanbia nothing special and really good quality grass. Covers 2000 and grazing out well

Timmaay

What fraction are autumn? Mine holding 16L delivered on average also, but good few May/June calvers, and about 10% autumn calving so far. Just being fed grass, spring ladies giving less than 15 get 2kg a day and the rest 4-6 depending on yield. Jersey, how come you have yours on silage?

Timmaay

delaval wrote: »

Now on 3kg 12% ration from Glanbia nothing special

You know off the top of your head what that's costing ya per ton?

whelan1

Timmaay wrote: »

You know off the top of your head what that's costing ya per ton?

if ye are buying in a purchasing group dont give price online, pm