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Michael O'Leary accused of slave contracts for Staff in Norway

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    #32
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,790 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Locker10a wrote: »
    Ryanair are notoriously bad employers, if you want to find out more google search the topic of pilot and cabin crew terms and conditions, by doing some research and reading through forums I'm sure you will find out more

    I really dont need to tbh. My brothers GF has worked for them for 3 years. She doesnt find much issue.

    Also my mate is a pilot with them. Loves to travel. Loves to change bases and experience different places. He doesnt find much issue.

    its a job, its not for everyone. Its for some.

    So in short I dont need to look up information when ive got it first hand from employees.


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    #33
    Locker10a
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,158 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    listermint wrote: »
    Many companies dont allow unions, nothing new there.

    And ive no idea what the second sentence means.
    Norwegian is the name of a Low cost carrier serving Norway and Europe


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    #34
    listermint
    Registered Users Posts: 33,790 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Locker10a wrote: »
    Norwegian is the name of a Low cost carrier serving Norway and Europe

    Yes i got that, but the wording of your sentence didnt mean very much.

    Paying someone to Irish standards. - What does that mean for instance ?

    Irish standards of what? There are varying degrees of wages in this country so it really doesnt add anything to your arguement.


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    #35
    Sergeant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,362 ✭✭✭Sergeant


    long range shooter wrote: »
    In Ryanair you are not even allowed to join a union:eek:that says it all

    No harm either. They are like a dormant virus once they get into an organisation.


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    #36
    Locker10a
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,158 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    listermint wrote: »
    I really dont need to tbh. My brothers GF has worked for them for 3 years. She doesnt find much issue.

    Also my mate is a pilot with them. Loves to travel. Loves to change bases and experience different places. He doesnt find much issue.

    its a job, its not for everyone. Its for some.

    So in short I dont need to look up information when ive got it first hand from employees.

    I have also got information first hand from employees I also have friends work in ryanair, and they seem to be happy enough at the moment, that does not mean there is not injustice, exploitation and disrespect done to other staff. From your above posts I noticed you have an interest in the topic, thus I recommended you google search if you wish to find more, I never said you HAD to! :P At the end of the day it still stands that Ryanair are a hugely sucessful airline, making huge profits, and expanding like no other,well done to them! However it wouldn't break their backs to treat their employees in a more respectful manner yet they choose not to, I hope they reconsider their approach in the future.


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    #37
    Locker10a
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,158 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    NiallSparky wrote: »
    Except for the fact that that's nothing like Ryanair's business model.
    how so?


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    #38
    Locker10a
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,158 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    Sergeant wrote: »
    No harm either. They are like a dormant virus once they get into an organisation.

    Perhaps in certain circumstances, but they are no harm in others


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    #39
    fishy fishy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,456 ✭✭✭fishy fishy


    well, i suppose it's a lot better than to be told to "work for free" - which is the advise a so called "successful business man" was giving to the Irish people not so long ago

    I'll take Michael O Leary any day.


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    #40
    Cookie_Monster
    Registered Users Posts: 24,480 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    HondaSami wrote: »
    How much was he paying them? Michael O Leary is all about publicity, he cares not one iota about his workers and even less about his customers.

    of course he doesn't, it's not like that's where all the money comes from :rolleyes:


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    #41
    Cienciano
    Registered Users Posts: 14,248 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    Most companies leave Ireland at the drop of a hat and move to China to avail of cheap labour.


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    #42
    griffdaddy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    I actually think people who still complain about Ryanair's business model have some kind of mental illness at this stage. It's not rocket science. Buy a cheap ticket for somewhere in Europe. Bring a carry on bag. Don't buy any add-ons. You don't need priority boarding for the flight. You don't need to choose your seat in advance for a two hour flight. You don't need snacks on the flight, if you really must, bring your own. The sooner people start treating these flights like a bus service in the air, the better. You're also more likely to depart and arrive on time with Ryanair.


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    #43
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users Posts: 5,779 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    The hyperbole in using the term 'slave' is quite disgusting. These people signed up for the position knowing what they were wages were and I imagine could leave at any time - slaves do not have that luxury and are not paid. A low paid worker in Norway is not a bloody slave!

    If there is an equivalence to slavery in the Western labour force - and there really, really isn't - it's when you see sites such as Goal.com raking it in by using unpaid interns and promising them of "valuable experience". Experience in being completely taken advantage of and finding no monetary gain.


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    #44
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    The hyperbole in using the term 'slave' is quite disgusting. These people signed up for the position knowing what they were wages were and I imagine could leave at any time - slaves do not have that luxury and are not paid. A low paid worker in Norway is not a bloody slave!

    If there is an equivalence to slavery in the Western labour force - and there really, really isn't - it's when you see sites such as Goal.com raking it in by using unpaid interns and promising them of "valuable experience". Experience in being completely taken advantage of and finding no monetary gain.

    They could, and they would have been fined 200 euro for the privilege of doing so. Talk about being lower than a snakes arse.


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    #45
    speedboatchase
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    karma_ wrote: »
    They could, and they would have been fined 200 euro for the privilege of doing so. Talk about being lower than a snakes arse.

    They would be fined €200 for leaving their position?


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    #46
    Legs.Eleven
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,987 ✭✭✭Legs.Eleven


    Good on him. I don't fly that ****ty airline anymore. If it's the only airline to a place I can afford, I don't go. I really pity the poor staff and he's a fcuking dick. He doesn't deserve to do well for himself. Ryanair is not the cheap anymore and there are alternatives. Good on Norway!


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    #47
    ScumLord
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    What goes around, comes around Norwegians, AKA Vikings.


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    #48
    long range shooter
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    speedboatchase wrote: »
    The hyperbole in using the term 'slave' is quite disgusting. These people signed up for the position knowing what they were wages were and I imagine could leave at any time - slaves do not have that luxury and are not paid. A low paid worker in Norway is not a bloody slave!

    If there is an equivalence to slavery in the Western labour force - and there really, really isn't - it's when you see sites such as Goal.com raking it in by using unpaid interns and promising them of "valuable experience". Experience in being completely taken advantage of and finding no monetary gain.

    I wonder why Ryanair isn't flying in to France anymore?

    Could this have something to do with it?

    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jz3U9MuubjMB1REGmxCacFZkC95g


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    #49
    Locker10a
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 4,158 Mod ✭✭✭✭Locker10a


    griffdaddy wrote: »
    I actually think people who still complain about Ryanair's business model have some kind of mental illness at this stage. It's not rocket science. Buy a cheap ticket for somewhere in Europe. Bring a carry on bag. Don't buy any add-ons. You don't need priority boarding for the flight. You don't need to choose your seat in advance for a two hour flight. You don't need snacks on the flight, if you really must, bring your own. The sooner people start treating these flights like a bus service in the air, the better. You're also more likely to depart and arrive on time with Ryanair.

    I dont think thats the issue here! Its the treatment of staff in the process thats the issue! And btw you dont quite have the ryanair business model in one there! Their business model actually relies on people, booking bags, seats, and buying on board, they are called ancillary revenues and where airlines like ryanair make money!


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    #50
    waggs
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    The only complaint I have about Ryanair is they pulled so many flights from Shannon - although you could blame the DAA for that as they got plenty of warning.
    I love Ryanair and all the cheap flights I've got from them - and a close acquaintance worked for them for years and said they were tough but fair.
    I find most people who passionately hate the airline are whingers who expect everything to be handed to them.


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    #51
    Sergeant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,362 ✭✭✭Sergeant


    Cienciano wrote: »
    Most companies leave Ireland at the drop of a hat and move to China to avail of cheap labour.

    What has this to do with a customer facing organisation such as Ryanair? Are you suggesting that Ryanair is considering moving operations to China?


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    #52
    hyperborean
    Closed Accounts Posts: 655 ✭✭✭hyperborean


    Is there a whole cabal of bollox talkers waiting in the wing for every Ryanair thread?


    Get over it,


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    #53
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    hyperborean wrote: »
    Is there a whole cabal of bollox talkers waiting in the wing for every Ryanair thread?


    Get over it,

    Have you ever wondered why there is so many Ryanair threads??:rolleyes:


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    #54
    Ficheall
    Registered Users Posts: 9,027 ✭✭✭Ficheall


    For the kingdom of heaven of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. And after agreeing with the workers for the standard wage, he sent them into his vineyard. When it was about nine o’clock in the morning, he went out again and saw others standing around in the market place without work. And he said to them, “You go into the vineyard too and I will give you whatever is right.” So they went. When he went out again about noon and three o’clock that afternoon, he did the same thing. And about five o’clock that afternoon he went out and found others standing around, and he said to them, “Why are you standing here all day without work?” They said to him, “Because no one has hired us.” He said to them, “You go and work in the vineyard too.” When it was evening, the owner of the vineyard said to his manager, “Call the workers and give the pay starting with the last hired until the first.” When those hired about five o’clock came, each received a full day’s pay. And when those hired first came, they though they would receive more. But each one also received the standard wage. When they received it, they began to complain against the landowner, saying, “These last fellows worked one hour, and you have made them equal to us who bore the hardship and burning heat of the day.
    And the landowner replied to one of them, “Friend, I am not treating you unfairly. Didn’t you agree with me to work for the standard wage? Take what is yours and go. I want to give this last man the same as I gave to you. Am I not permitted to do what I want with what belongs to me? Or are you envious because I am generous? So the last will be first, and the first will be last.


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    #55
    speedboatchase
    Registered Users Posts: 5,779 ✭✭✭speedboatchase


    long range shooter wrote: »
    Have you ever wondered why there is so many Ryanair threads??:rolleyes:

    Because Ryanair is an incredible example of the power of the free market. Plenty of Irish people love begrudgery and have a boner for socialism. Perfect recipe for anti-Ryanair threads.


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    #56
    griffdaddy
    Registered Users Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭griffdaddy


    Locker10a wrote: »
    I dont think thats the issue here! Its the treatment of staff in the process thats the issue! And btw you dont quite have the ryanair business model in one there! Their business model actually relies on people, booking bags, seats, and buying on board, they are called ancillary revenues and where airlines like ryanair make money!

    Treatment of staff that voluntarily work for the company. Staff that presumably read their contract before they signed it. Similarly, customers voluntarily book flights and know what they're getting for their money. I completely understand their business model, that's what allows me to fly to places like Stockholm for 50 euro return including taxes. I don't understand why people are so surprised that unnecessary extras cost extra money. All you need is a carry on bag and the flight. Everything else is superfluous. Besides, Aerlingus are doing exactly the same thing nowadays anyway.


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    #57
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    Ficheall wrote: »
    For the kingdom of heaven of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. And after agreeing with the workers for the standard wage, he sent them into his vineyard. When it was about nine o’clock in the morning, he went out again and saw others standing around in the market place without work. And he said to them, “You go into the vineyard too and I will give you whatever is right.” So they went. When he went out again about noon and three o’clock that afternoon, he did the same thing. And about five o’clock that afternoon he went out and found others standing around, and he said to them, “Why are you standing here all day without work?” They said to him, “Because no one has hired us.” He said to them, “You go and work in the vineyard too.” When it was evening, the owner of the vineyard said to his manager, “Call the workers and give the pay starting with the last hired until the first.” When those hired about five o’clock came, each received a full day’s pay. And when those hired first came, they though they would receive more. But each one also received the standard wage. When they received it, they began to complain against the landowner, saying, “These last fellows worked one hour, and you have made them equal to us who bore the hardship and burning heat of the day.
    And the landowner replied to one of them, “Friend, I am not treating you unfairly. Didn’t you agree with me to work for the standard wage? Take what is yours and go. I want to give this last man the same as I gave to you. Am I not permitted to do what I want with what belongs to me? Or are you envious because I am generous? So the last will be first, and the first will be last.

    Worked great in the Middle Ages,not in 2013:rolleyes:


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    #58
    long range shooter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,493 ✭✭✭long range shooter


    griffdaddy wrote: »
    Treatment of staff that voluntarily work for the company. Staff that presumably read their contract before they signed it. Similarly, customers voluntarily book flights and know what they're getting for their money. I completely understand their business model, that's what allows me to fly to places like Stockholm for 50 euro return including taxes. I don't understand why people are so surprised that unnecessary extras cost extra money. All you need is a carry on bag and the flight. Everything else is superfluous. Besides, Aerlingus are doing exactly the same thing nowadays anyway.

    Did Aer Lingus have any choice really?
    And it's got nothing to do with the customers,but the staff working there.
    They have had courtcases of this in France before,now it's in Norway,where will it end?


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    #59
    lintdrummer
    Registered Users Posts: 1,707 ✭✭✭lintdrummer


    waggs wrote: »
    a close acquaintance worked for them for years and said they were tough but fair.

    Stockholm syndrome?

    They are only one of many companies in the aviation industry who take advantage of an over saturated work force.


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    #60
    Sergeant
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,362 ✭✭✭Sergeant


    I heard that Michael O'Leary is so evil and hungry for money that he plays subliminal messages on the planes to persuade his staff to keep working for him, and for passengers to keep flying with the company.


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    #61
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    speedboatchase wrote: »
    They would be fined €200 for leaving their position?

    Did you come on here to talk about this story without even reading it?


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