Michael O'Leary accused of slave contracts for Staff in Norway

long range shooter

Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary is in the line of fire again.
Ryanair is accused of slave contacts for their staff working in Norway.

http://businessetc.thejournal.ie/norway-boycott-ryanair-oleary-slaves-867405-Apr2013/

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2013/04/11/ryanair-boss-denies-slave-contracts/

up for anything

That's the reason he's creaming it in.

HondaSami

How much was he paying them? Michael O Leary is all about publicity, he cares not one iota about his workers and even less about his customers.

long range shooter

HondaSami wrote: »

How much was he paying them? Michael O Leary is all about publicity, he cares not one iota about his workers and even less about his customers.

I think it's better explained here

http://www.newsinenglish.no/2013/04/11/ryanair-boss-denies-slave-contracts/

HondaSami

HondaSami wrote: »

How much was he paying them? Michael O Leary is all about publicity, he cares not one iota about his workers and even less about his customers.

and yet as long as prices are low people fly no matter what

crusher000

Won't you get the usuual your choice to fly with him or not brigade on defending him because at the end of the day as long as they have their cheap flights who cares about customer service and peoples rights such as wages etc.

Sergeant

It's like an episode of Roots.

Still, we can expect a burgeoning Blues scene to develop in Oslo as a result.

schnitzelEater

What's the minimum wage in Norway?

We should at least try to put some context in this...

crusher000

schnitzelEater wrote: »

What's the minimum wage in Norway?

We should at least try to put some context in this...

Context. Staff are sueing him because wages are too low.

long range shooter

schnitzelEater wrote: »

What's the minimum wage in Norway?

We should at least try to put some context in this...

There is no minimum Wage in Norway.

http://www.minimum-wage.org/international/en/Norway

schnitzelEater

crusher000 wrote: »

Context. Staff are sueing him because wages are too low.

And there has never been a spurious court case in the history of the worldwide court systems.

Do you believe the wages are too low? If so, why?

So anyone have some real context?

JustAThought

schnitzelEater wrote: »

What's the minimum wage in Norway?

We should at least try to put some context in this...

O’Leary, interviewed live on NRK’s evening debate program Aktuelt Wednesday evening, claimed the allegations against Ryanair were coming from “two cabin crew who were unsuccessful and dismissed,” adding that they’re “supported by labour organizations who are in the process of agreeing  thousands of job cuts and 17 percent pay cuts at SAS (Scandinavian Airlines).” O’Leary claimed the complaints against Ryanair were “an attempt to distract from the job cuts and pay cuts in SAS.”

O’Leary, who later flew to Norway to address the allegations against his airline, confirmed that none of Ryanair’s workers based at Rygge pay tax in Norway but said that was because “Ryanair must comply with Irish law because we’re an Irish airline operating Irish-regulated aircraft, our employees are employed under Irish contracts and we must respect the Irish law.” He added that “if the Norwegians have trouble with that, they should take it up with the European Union or the Irish government.”
O’Leary also said that “parliamentarians say lots of things in Parliament that may be untrue. It’s very easy for an opposition politician in Parliament to make a false claim because he can’t be sued about it.”
He claimed he wasn’t afraid Ryanair flights would be grounded in Norway and said he had no intention of withdrawing from the Norwegian market. “Absolutely not, why would we?” he asked. “We’re growing rapidly in Norway, we’re the only airline bringing low fares in Norway and we’re the only airline that’s giving its people a pay increase this year. Why not focus on ( the thousands of jobs) SAS are cutting, instead of Ryanair that’s
creating jobs in Norway?”

Ryanair employs over 5,000 people with as many on their books waiting for jobs.

Norways employment system is hardly a model for comparison - id love an official Norweigan job - so cushy & with such high pay & outrageously good conditions & garaunteed pay for life if you go off sick that it would make you weep.

Makes you wonder why these two opted for an Irish contract.

long range shooter

“We’re growing rapidly in Norway, we’re the only airline bringing low fares in Norway and we’re the only airline that’s giving its people a pay increase this year. Why not focus on ( the thousands of jobs) SAS are cutting, instead of Ryanair that’s
creating jobs in Norway?”

.[/QUOTE]

He forgot that There is A low cost airline in Norway called Norwegian.

who the fug

crusher000 wrote: »

Won't you get the usuual your choice to fly with him or not brigade on defending him because at the end of the day as long as they have their cheap flights who cares about customer service and peoples rights such as wages etc.

OK lets go back to the Good old day of Air fungus run for the peeps of North Dublin and **** the customers

crusher000

long range shooter wrote: »

“We’re growing rapidly in Norway, we’re the only airline bringing low fares in Norway and we’re the only airline that’s giving its people a pay increase this year. Why not focus on ( the thousands of jobs) SAS are cutting, instead of Ryanair that’s
creating jobs in Norway?”

.

He forgot that There is A low cost airline in Norway called Norwegian.[/QUOTE]

Whom I've flown with and they are low fares but their staff are friendly and courteous. You heard it here first.

Mr Benevolent

This is why getting rid of the minimum wages is a bad idea. People get exploited.

Dyr

Michael O'leary is great and he should be running the country, NASA, the GAA and all the pubs.

long range shooter

Bambi wrote: »

Michael O'leary is great and he should be running the country, NASA, the GAA and all the pubs.

That reminds me of this


Michael O’Leary goes into a pub in Cork and asks for a pint of Guinness.
The barman nods and says: “That will be one euro”.
A pleased O’Leary hands over the money and comments: “That’s very cheap”.
“Yes sir, it is” replies the barman, “however, if you want
to drink the Guinness in a glass, you’ll have to pay an extra
€3”.
The Chief Executive scowls but pays up. He takes his drink goes towards a seat.
“Ah, sir, if you want to sit down, you’ll first have to sit in
this frame,” observes the barman.
Unfortunately O’Leary can’t squeeze into the frame. “Nobody
could fit in that little thing,” he complains.
“Then you’ll have to pay a surcharge of €5 for your seat,
sir”, cautions the barman.
“This is ridiculous,” cries O’Leary. “I want to see the manager”.
“Certainly sir”, responds the barman. “Here is his email
address or, if you wish, you can contact him between 9 and
9.10 any Monday morning. Calls are free until they are answered.
Then there is a talking charge of only 10 cents per
second.”
A furious O’Leary swears he’ll never come into this pub
again, to which the barman answers: “That’s perfectly O.K
sir, but remember we’re the only pub in Ireland selling pints
for one euro!”

listermint

Well realistically. I suppose Staff of the option to work there, or not to work there. So to call it slavery when in fact working with the company is a personal decision is laughable to say the least.

Get some context you daily mail headliners.....


Slavery... yeah its a real live galleon full of stolen peoples lives.

long range shooter

listermint wrote: »

Well realistically. I suppose Staff of the option to work there, or not to work there. So to call it slavery when in fact working with the company is a personal decision is laughable to say the least.

Get some context you daily mail headliners.....


Slavery... yeah its a real live galleon full of stolen peoples lives.

To live on that kind of money in Norway is slavery,maybe not in Ireland.
And when the unemployment is as high as it is in the EU,i am not sure if its an option any longer,so it's quite easy to exploit people.

Locker10a

who the fug wrote: »

OK lets go back to the Good old day of Air fungus run for the peeps of North Dublin and **** the customers

It is possible to offer low fares, customer service and provide desirable employment! Look at easyjet, among the best paid and best treated airline employees in Europe! The Airline is highly successful and doing a booming trade! Ryanair can well afford to stop exploiting staff and treat them decently, they choose not to, it all down to greed, and you cant say it how they keep their fares so low, other airilnes are often just as cheap, and ryanair fares are on the rise recently, there is no doubt about that!

Locker10a

listermint wrote: »

Well realistically. I suppose Staff of the option to work there, or not to work there. So to call it slavery when in fact working with the company is a personal decision is laughable to say the least.

Get some context you daily mail headliners.....


Slavery... yeah its a real live galleon full of stolen peoples lives.

There is a charge to terminate your contract within 15 months!!!!!! Ok your not physically prevented from leaving the job but you are punished if you do, which to me surly cant be legal!

SEPT 23 1989

Thanks for all the income tax you pay Michael, by choosing to live at home in Ireland

listermint

Locker10a wrote: »

There is a charge to terminate your contract within 15 months!!!!!! Ok your not physically prevented from leaving the job but you are punished if you do, which to me surly cant be legal!

I have no idea of the truth on this either way. So i wont comment on it.

Locker10a

listermint wrote: »

I have no idea of the truth on this either way. So i wont comment on it.

Its very much a reality!

listermint

long range shooter wrote: »

To live on that kind of money in Norway is slavery,maybe not in Ireland.
And when the unemployment is as high as it is in the EU,i am not sure if its an option any longer,so it's quite easy to exploit people.

Is it more / or less than mcdonalds ? Whats the comparison to other low budget airlines in norway in terms of their package ?

listermint

So if i look at this, i see two former stewards are sueing the airline and thats where this hullabaloo is coming from.

People sue former employers daily in this country but we hear nothing about it.

long range shooter

listermint wrote: »

Is it more / or less than mcdonalds ? Whats the comparison to other low budget airlines in norway in terms of their package ?

In Ryanair you are not even allowed to join a union:eek:that says it all
And Norwegian pay their staff according to Norwegian standard.

listermint

long range shooter wrote: »

In Ryanair you are not even allowed to join a union:eek:that says it all
And Norwegian pay their staff according to Norwegian standard.

Many companies dont allow unions, nothing new there.

And ive no idea what the second sentence means.

Locker10a

listermint wrote: »

So if i look at this, i see two former stewards are sueing the airline and thats where this hullabaloo is coming from.

People sue former employers daily in this country but we hear nothing about it.

Ryanair are notoriously bad employers, if you want to find out more google search the topic of pilot and cabin crew terms and conditions, by doing some research and reading through forums I'm sure you will find out more

Amirani

long range shooter wrote: »

That reminds me og this


Michael O’Leary goes into a pub in Cork and asks for a pint of Guinness.
The barman nods and says: “That will be one euro”.
A pleased O’Leary hands over the money and comments: “That’s very cheap”.
“Yes sir, it is” replies the barman, “however, if you want
to drink the Guinness in a glass, you’ll have to pay an extra
€3”.
The Chief Executive scowls but pays up. He takes his drink goes towards a seat.
“Ah, sir, if you want to sit down, you’ll first have to sit in
this frame,” observes the barman.
Unfortunately O’Leary can’t squeeze into the frame. “Nobody
could fit in that little thing,” he complains.
“Then you’ll have to pay a surcharge of €5 for your seat,
sir”, cautions the barman.
“This is ridiculous,” cries O’Leary. “I want to see the manager”.
“Certainly sir”, responds the barman. “Here is his email
address or, if you wish, you can contact him between 9 and
9.10 any Monday morning. Calls are free until they are answered.
Then there is a talking charge of only 10 cents per
second.”
A furious O’Leary swears he’ll never come into this pub
again, to which the barman answers: “That’s perfectly O.K
sir, but remember we’re the only pub in Ireland selling pints
for one euro!”

Except for the fact that that's nothing like Ryanair's business model.

listermint

Locker10a wrote: »

Ryanair are notoriously bad employers, if you want to find out more google search the topic of pilot and cabin crew terms and conditions, by doing some research and reading through forums I'm sure you will find out more

I really dont need to tbh. My brothers GF has worked for them for 3 years. She doesnt find much issue.

Also my mate is a pilot with them. Loves to travel. Loves to change bases and experience different places. He doesnt find much issue.

its a job, its not for everyone. Its for some.

So in short I dont need to look up information when ive got it first hand from employees.

Locker10a

listermint wrote: »

Many companies dont allow unions, nothing new there.

And ive no idea what the second sentence means.

Norwegian is the name of a Low cost carrier serving Norway and Europe

listermint

Locker10a wrote: »

Norwegian is the name of a Low cost carrier serving Norway and Europe

Yes i got that, but the wording of your sentence didnt mean very much.

Paying someone to Irish standards. - What does that mean for instance ?

Irish standards of what? There are varying degrees of wages in this country so it really doesnt add anything to your arguement.

Sergeant

long range shooter wrote: »

In Ryanair you are not even allowed to join a union:eek:that says it all

No harm either. They are like a dormant virus once they get into an organisation.

Locker10a

listermint wrote: »

I really dont need to tbh. My brothers GF has worked for them for 3 years. She doesnt find much issue.

Also my mate is a pilot with them. Loves to travel. Loves to change bases and experience different places. He doesnt find much issue.

its a job, its not for everyone. Its for some.

So in short I dont need to look up information when ive got it first hand from employees.

I have also got information first hand from employees I also have friends work in ryanair, and they seem to be happy enough at the moment, that does not mean there is not injustice, exploitation and disrespect done to other staff. From your above posts I noticed you have an interest in the topic, thus I recommended you google search if you wish to find more, I never said you HAD to! :P At the end of the day it still stands that Ryanair are a hugely sucessful airline, making huge profits, and expanding like no other,well done to them! However it wouldn't break their backs to treat their employees in a more respectful manner yet they choose not to, I hope they reconsider their approach in the future.

Locker10a

NiallSparky wrote: »

Except for the fact that that's nothing like Ryanair's business model.

how so?

Locker10a

Sergeant wrote: »

No harm either. They are like a dormant virus once they get into an organisation.

Perhaps in certain circumstances, but they are no harm in others

fishy fishy

well, i suppose it's a lot better than to be told to "work for free" - which is the advise a so called "successful business man" was giving to the Irish people not so long ago

I'll take Michael O Leary any day.

Cookie_Monster

HondaSami wrote: »

How much was he paying them? Michael O Leary is all about publicity, he cares not one iota about his workers and even less about his customers.

of course he doesn't, it's not like that's where all the money comes from :rolleyes:

Cienciano

Most companies leave Ireland at the drop of a hat and move to China to avail of cheap labour.

griffdaddy

I actually think people who still complain about Ryanair's business model have some kind of mental illness at this stage. It's not rocket science. Buy a cheap ticket for somewhere in Europe. Bring a carry on bag. Don't buy any add-ons. You don't need priority boarding for the flight. You don't need to choose your seat in advance for a two hour flight. You don't need snacks on the flight, if you really must, bring your own. The sooner people start treating these flights like a bus service in the air, the better. You're also more likely to depart and arrive on time with Ryanair.

speedboatchase

The hyperbole in using the term 'slave' is quite disgusting. These people signed up for the position knowing what they were wages were and I imagine could leave at any time - slaves do not have that luxury and are not paid. A low paid worker in Norway is not a bloody slave!

If there is an equivalence to slavery in the Western labour force - and there really, really isn't - it's when you see sites such as Goal.com raking it in by using unpaid interns and promising them of "valuable experience". Experience in being completely taken advantage of and finding no monetary gain.

karma_

speedboatchase wrote: »

The hyperbole in using the term 'slave' is quite disgusting. These people signed up for the position knowing what they were wages were and I imagine could leave at any time - slaves do not have that luxury and are not paid. A low paid worker in Norway is not a bloody slave!

If there is an equivalence to slavery in the Western labour force - and there really, really isn't - it's when you see sites such as Goal.com raking it in by using unpaid interns and promising them of "valuable experience". Experience in being completely taken advantage of and finding no monetary gain.

They could, and they would have been fined 200 euro for the privilege of doing so. Talk about being lower than a snakes arse.

speedboatchase

karma_ wrote: »

They could, and they would have been fined 200 euro for the privilege of doing so. Talk about being lower than a snakes arse.

They would be fined €200 for leaving their position?

Legs.Eleven

Good on him. I don't fly that ****ty airline anymore. If it's the only airline to a place I can afford, I don't go. I really pity the poor staff and he's a fcuking dick. He doesn't deserve to do well for himself. Ryanair is not the cheap anymore and there are alternatives. Good on Norway!

ScumLord

What goes around, comes around Norwegians, AKA Vikings.

long range shooter

speedboatchase wrote: »

The hyperbole in using the term 'slave' is quite disgusting. These people signed up for the position knowing what they were wages were and I imagine could leave at any time - slaves do not have that luxury and are not paid. A low paid worker in Norway is not a bloody slave!

If there is an equivalence to slavery in the Western labour force - and there really, really isn't - it's when you see sites such as Goal.com raking it in by using unpaid interns and promising them of "valuable experience". Experience in being completely taken advantage of and finding no monetary gain.

I wonder why Ryanair isn't flying in to France anymore?

Could this have something to do with it?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jz3U9MuubjMB1REGmxCacFZkC95g

Locker10a

griffdaddy wrote: »

I actually think people who still complain about Ryanair's business model have some kind of mental illness at this stage. It's not rocket science. Buy a cheap ticket for somewhere in Europe. Bring a carry on bag. Don't buy any add-ons. You don't need priority boarding for the flight. You don't need to choose your seat in advance for a two hour flight. You don't need snacks on the flight, if you really must, bring your own. The sooner people start treating these flights like a bus service in the air, the better. You're also more likely to depart and arrive on time with Ryanair.

I dont think thats the issue here! Its the treatment of staff in the process thats the issue! And btw you dont quite have the ryanair business model in one there! Their business model actually relies on people, booking bags, seats, and buying on board, they are called ancillary revenues and where airlines like ryanair make money!

waggs

The only complaint I have about Ryanair is they pulled so many flights from Shannon - although you could blame the DAA for that as they got plenty of warning.
I love Ryanair and all the cheap flights I've got from them - and a close acquaintance worked for them for years and said they were tough but fair.
I find most people who passionately hate the airline are whingers who expect everything to be handed to them.

Sergeant

Cienciano wrote: »

Most companies leave Ireland at the drop of a hat and move to China to avail of cheap labour.

What has this to do with a customer facing organisation such as Ryanair? Are you suggesting that Ryanair is considering moving operations to China?