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What I don't get about PC and so called offesive posts

  • 12-04-2013 5:53pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭


    Did not have to look far to find an over overzealous sense of outrage.
    DCC have decided to make the innocent suffer because of the action of illegal dumpers in 'blackspot' areas of Dublin.

    Suspending rubbish and other services until apparantly people cop on.

    Charlie Lowe also made this vaguely xenophobic statement. I have no idea if he is trying to blame immigrants for the problem but it looks that way.

    I am not having a go at that poster I am just giving one example of an attitude that is inductive.

    If and it's a big IF.
    If he was talking about immigrants so what?
    If they are responsible for more illegal dumping than average what is wrong with saying so.

    Now the argument back that even if there was a higher than average rate the majority of immigrants do not carry out illegal dumping and it is unfair to mention immigrants in the first place.
    Seems pretty reasonable I suppose treat everybody like individuals right?

    Same goes for having a go at religious groups they will cry moan and scream bloody murder if anybody mentions true facts.
    Now again everybody is an individual right and it is unfair to tar people?

    These rules on the face of it seem fair right?

    The problem is in society as a whole they are very selectively enforced.


    Threads that bash whole areas of the city don't seem to cause outrage.

    Threads that bash Christianity seem to be just fine.

    Now we know you can not start a tread or post a comment being negative about somebody's sexuality but it's just fine to start a thread asking what is wrong with people who stay single.

    I am not having a go at this board as it just reflects our country as it is.
    I am also not bashing any posters here.

    I really do find it hard to grasp why rules on being tolerant inclusive and respectful are selectively enforced in society.

    Again please before anybody replies I am not having a go at this board or any posters or any group.

    I am simply asking why people in general have such bias and selective outrage?


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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭shopaholic01


    It's because you have asperger's and take everything literally. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    What was the apparently xenophobic comment?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand


    It's because you have asperger's and take everything literally. ;)

    Your right.

    But I really do not understand the mindset.

    You can't say all people from Ghana do things one way for example however posts that say Ballyfermot is a dump are just fine.:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    Some people are very sensitive. PC gone mad and what not. Generalisations are fine as long as they're positive. It's the double standards that are the worst though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Welcome to the Jewish NWO, where jokes are misconstrued as xenophobia.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand


    What was the apparently xenophobic comment?

    To be honest I did not even click into the link I just grabbed the post as an example.

    Apparently means to me the person is reaching to put a meaning on something that was not there in the first place.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭schnitzelEater


    The original post is a good example of one that would benefit from a TL DR summary.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Ranicand wrote: »
    To be honest I did not even click into the link I just grabbed the post as an example.

    Apparently means to me the person is reaching to put a meaning on something that was not there in the first place.

    Ok, I don't really have much of an idea what's going on so.
    I will say that political correctness gone mad would be a terrible thing if it were a sizeable problem which seriously affected many people's lives which, fortunately, is not the case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭humbert


    Ultimately because people don't think for themselves. Most people are too lazy to read all of that never mind form a considered individual opinion on it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭shopaholic01




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand


    humbert wrote: »
    Ultimately because people don't think for themselves. Most people are too lazy to read all of that never mind form a considered individual opinion on it.

    That is what I think too.

    However they will watch endless football and soaps.:rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,987 ✭✭✭Legs.Eleven


    OP I called you racist in AH before. On one thread you wrote some despicable stuff. If you write that kind of guff, I'm going to call you out on it. Expect repercussions.

    It's gas the ones that are the most racist/xenophobic/homophobic/sexist complain the most about the PC Brigade. :rolleyes:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    You can slate Christianity, label country folk as backward hicks, slate Dubliners as skangers ,claim that Irish women are ugly - but god help you if you slate Islam or ask why there are 70 different nationalities on the fingal housing list. Thats incitement to hatred, apparently!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo



    Thanks for that.

    I don't think the quote is probably as xenophobic to the extent that MadsL thinks so, but it's hard to know without knowing the full context of the case.

    But I think it's certainly possible that Charlie Lowe was being xenophobic. Basically, he was saying that "it's actually not only foreigners but Irish people doing it too!"
    I don't see why he would need to specify that it's not only foreigners, so there's a good chance he was being xenophobic.
    It'd certainly be illogical to assume he wasn't.

    So what we have here is one case of a possibly xenophobic quote, and one case of a possible slight overreaction to it, which is expanded into a general thesis on political correctness.

    Just another day in After Hours then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    god help you if you slate Islam

    [...]

    Thats incitement to hatred, apparently!

    Slating Islam results in a hateful and violent response, so technically you are inciting hatred.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,987 ✭✭✭Legs.Eleven


    I'd actually love to repost all that you wrote in that thread and see if those agreeing with you would continue to agree with you.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Seachmall wrote: »
    Slating Islam results in a hateful and violent response, so technically you are inciting hatred.

    But when islamists slam anybody else its shhhhhhh don't say anything they will get upset


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    Seachmall wrote: »
    Slating Islam results in a hateful and violent response, so technically you are inciting hatred.

    Bs. Why is it perfectly acceptable to slate Christianity but not Islam?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand


    OP I called you racist in AH before. On one thread you wrote some despicable stuff. If you write that kind of guff, I'm going to call you out on it. Expect repercussions.

    It's gas the ones that are the most racist/xenophobic/homophobic/sexist complain the most about the PC Brigade. :rolleyes:

    In all honesty I find these rules a minefield and hard to navigate.

    This reply sums it up.
    You can slate Christianity, label country folk as backward hicks, slate Dubliners as skangers ,claim that Irish women are ugly - but god help you if you slate Islam or ask why there are 70 different nationalities on the fingal housing list. Thats incitement to hatred, apparently!

    Also I find by being too open an honest I have been baited into posting stuff I did not really think about.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭humbert


    I'd actually love to repost all that you wrote in that thread and see if those agreeing with you would continue to agree with you.
    I'm not agreeing with him because I like him. Do you only agree with people who have not offended you?


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    I'd actually love to repost all that you wrote in that thread and see if those agreeing with you would continue to agree with you.

    Who cares what the lad posted in previous threads? Hes bang on the money in this one.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,987 ✭✭✭Legs.Eleven


    humbert wrote: »
    I'm not agreeing with him because I like him. Do you only agree with people who have not offended you?

    I agree with people I.....agree with? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand


    I'd actually love to repost all that you wrote in that thread and see if those agreeing with you would continue to agree with you.

    Fine you could do that and I would be honest and open and admit my posts were all over the place and I served a ban that was deserved.

    Unless I carefully sit down and think about my posts I can go off track fast.

    I don't see how you bashing me detracts from the point I made in the original post?

    On an individual level I treat everybody the same I doubt most could honestly say the same.

    If you did not like a person and they warned you to move out of the way of an oncoming train would you stay on the tracks just to spite them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Saudi Arabia is a horrific backward country, with a savage interpretation of Islam applied to law.

    Sharia Law is barbaric.

    Many Islamist terrorist are nasty pieces of work, and I have no problem with Islamist terrorist leaders being killed, as they're religious fundamentalist maniacs who cause the deaths of both their followers and their "enemies" while cowardly staying out of the line of fire.

    Unfortunately I'm now going to get permanently banned for the above, by the PC do-gooder moderators.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,987 ✭✭✭Legs.Eleven


    Who cares what the lad posted in previous threads? Hes bang on the money in this one.

    Same goes for having a go at religious groups they will cry moan and scream bloody murder if anybody mentions true facts.


    In his previous posts, he was talking out of his arse INVENTING facts and basically talking utter garbage. That's my point. I'd agree with him if he actually lived by what he preached.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    Ranicand wrote: »
    That is what I think too.

    However they will watch endless football and soaps.:rolleyes:

    How long did that game last. (just wondering is all)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,041 ✭✭✭Seachmall


    Bs. Why is it perfectly acceptable to slate Christianity but not Islam?

    Because the Pope isn't going to issue a fatwā...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    Ranicand wrote: »
    Fine you could do that and I would be honest and open and admit my posts were all over the place and I served a ban that was deserved.

    Unless I carefully sit down and think about my posts I can go off track fast.

    I don't see how you bashing me detracts from the point I made in the original post?

    On an individual level I treat everybody the same I doubt most could honestly say the same.

    If you did not like a person and they warned you to move out of the way of an oncoming train would you stay on the tracks just to spite them?

    Are you thinking about your posts in this thread? I assumed everyone did that to at least some extent with everything they post.
    Saudi Arabia is a horrific backward country, with a savage interpretation of Islam applied to law.

    Sharia Law is barbaric.

    Many Islamist terrorist are nasty pieces of work, and I have no problem with Islamist terrorist leaders being killed, as they're religious fundamentalist maniacs who cause the deaths of both their followers and their "enemies" while cowardly staying out of the line of fire.

    Unfortunately I'm now going to get permanently banned for the above, by the PC do-gooder moderators.

    Reported.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,987 ✭✭✭Legs.Eleven


    Who cares what the lad posted in previous threads? Hes bang on the money in this one.
    Ranicand wrote: »
    Fine you could do that and I would be honest and open and admit my posts were all over the place and I served a ban that was deserved.

    Unless I carefully sit down and think about my posts I can go off track fast.

    I don't see how you bashing me detracts from the point I made in the original post?

    On an individual level I treat everybody the same I doubt most could honestly say the same.

    If you did not like a person and they warned you to move out of the way of an oncoming train would you stay on the tracks just to spite them?


    My point is, you acknowledge that those posts deserved a ban and as you said were all over the place. You're asking us, as someone who posted some pretty hateful stuff to say the least, why people shouldn't be allowed to say what the want as long as they could back it up with facts. My point is you didn't, so I find it difficult to take what you've written seriously as you didn't practise what you preached.


    I called you out on it because you were pretty much talking out of your backside.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand


    Are you thinking about your posts in this thread? I assumed everyone did that to at least some extent with everything they post.


    That is something I am learning the hard way.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    Seachmall wrote: »
    Because the Pope isn't going to issue a fatwā...

    So people refuse to slate Islam, like they do Christianity, purely out of cowardice?

    That just emboldens them.


  • Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]



    It's gas the ones that are the most racist/xenophobic/homophobic/sexist complain the most about the PC Brigade. :rolleyes:


    Usually, in my observation, a complaint about the pc brigade is just a complaint that they can't spout bile and get away with it.

    It's a way of throwing mud at the people who find your opinions objectionable, and deflecting it away from your own bigotry. Often you'll see a claim that free speech is being eroded too, because every bigot wants the right to spread the hate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    So people refuse to slate Islam, like they do Christianity, purely out of cowardice?

    That just emboldens them.

    That's it exactly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    Political correctness was created with noble intentions, unfortunately its not applied consistently and is often used in an inappropriate manner and as a form of manipulation. Crying racist is often a lazy way of discrediting someone you dont agree with


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,987 ✭✭✭Legs.Eleven


    iDave wrote: »
    Political correctness was created with noble intentions, unfortunately its not applied consistently and is often used in an inappropriate manner and as a form of manipulation. Crying racist is often a lazy way of discrediting someone you dont agree with

    What if it is actually racist?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭humbert


    Candie wrote: »
    Usually, in my observation, a complaint about the pc brigade is just a complaint that they can't spout bile and get away with it.

    It's a way of throwing mud at the people who find your opinions objectionable, and deflecting it away from your own bigotry. Often you'll see a claim that free speech is being eroded too, because every bigot wants the right to spread the hate.
    Assuming they are not extreme, for example directly trying to incite violence, is the solution really to deny them the right to speak? Would it not be better to refute their arguments publicly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    the people who call something pc are generally a bit racist or bigoted

    it is perfectly ok saying someone does something put if their race has nothing to do with it do not mention their nationality

    ie the diver kicked me off the bus thats grand

    the Nigerian driver kicked me off the bus thats being a bit racist because there is no need to point out the race of the driver


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    Gatling wrote: »
    That's it exactly

    Dutch jews are wondering if there is a future for them in Holland. Why? Anti semitics attacks on them from the muslim community - http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/I-see-no-future-for-Jews-in-the-Netherlands

    You can visit Anne Franks hideaway and after lunch, see antisemitism in action.

    Same rings true in Sweden, Norway, parts of Germany and France. The cops and politicans are too terrified of appearing 'racist' to actually clamp down on this bs.

    When did Europeans become such pussies?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,916 ✭✭✭shopaholic01


    We tend to get offended by opinions that clash with our own, and likewise won't have a problem with opinions we agree with, even if they are offensive to others.

    There's no mystery involved, the trick is not to take an internet forum seriously.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    OP as the former OP - I find Charlie Lowes comments slightly xenophobic (he's a nice chap, and I'm sure he is not a racist at all, but his comments there were a bit weird) as I don't really see how he knows who are Irish or not and live in the places he is describing.
    To my reading he seems to be saying the Irish don't litter as much as immigrants - which has to be bollox, frankly.

    What I find more offensive is that you hijacked my thread over to yours. :mad:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭iDave


    What if it is actually racist?

    Then its fair game but offering a critique of a religion, nation, cultural practice etc that well thought out and fair isnt racist.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand


    My point is, you acknowledge that those posts deserved a ban and as you said were all over the place. You're asking us, as someone who posted some pretty hateful stuff to say the least, why people shouldn't be allowed to say what the want as long as they could back it up with facts. My point is you didn't, so I find it difficult to take what you've written seriously as you didn't practise what you preached.


    I called you out on it because you were pretty much talking out of your backside.

    There is not a hateful bone in my body and that is the truth.

    When posting facts I can get baited and my focus narrows.

    As regards people practicing what they preach I will give one good example.

    Those who react with outrage when travellers are mentioned in a negative way are usually the people who live furthest away from them.

    Why no halting sites in Howth or Foxrock for example?

    The same groups stay very silent when council suburbs are put down.

    Again I am not having a go at people I am just asking why the selective application of moral rules?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    This thread is absolute nonsense, with nothing in the way of concrete examples of all this "PC gone mad!!"

    And the extreme right-wingers wonder why people give them a hard time and don't buy their hateful rubbish.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,301 ✭✭✭Daveysil15


    Candie wrote: »
    Usually, in my observation, a complaint about the pc brigade is just a complaint that they can't spout bile and get away with it.

    A very good point, although some people may think a person is spouting bile just because they don't agree with what they're saying. Not everyone will think its bile.


  • Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    humbert wrote: »
    Assuming they are not extreme, for example directly trying to incite violence, is the solution really to deny them the right to speak? Would it not be better to refute their arguments publicly?

    I never suggested denying them the right to speak, only remarked that the ones who complain about people pulling them up on unpopular opinions wouldn't have that problem if their opinions weren't so...unpopular.:)

    State your opinions if you must, but be prepared for a backlash if they're offensive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,969 ✭✭✭laoch na mona


    Dutch jews are wondering if there is a future for them in Holland. Why? Anti semitics attacks on them from the muslim community - http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/I-see-no-future-for-Jews-in-the-Netherlands

    You can visit Anne Franks hideaway and after lunch, see antisemitism in action.

    Same rings true in Sweden, Norway, parts of Germany and France. The cops and politicans are too terrified of appearing 'racist' to actually clamp down on this bs.

    When did Europeans become such pussies?

    you have serious issues plenty Europeans are Muslim or do they not meet the criteria of your mighty volk


  • Posts: 26,052 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ranicand wrote: »

    Why no halting sites in Howth or Foxrock for example?

    People always assume this is some sort of council decision. The fact is that the councils own very little land in areas like Foxrock or Howth, because it is extremely expensive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand


    the Nigerian driver kicked me off the bus thats being a bit racist because there is no need to point out the race of the driver

    However Tallaght scanngers were hanging around is fine.

    Honesty do you not see the point here?
    As regards the bus driver thing fine but why not apply it across the board?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Ranicand wrote: »
    Those who react with outrage when travellers are mentioned in a negative way are usually the people who live furthest away from them.

    This.

    There isn't a rolleyes smilie big enough.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 713 ✭✭✭WayneMolloy


    MadsL wrote: »
    OP as the former OP - I find Charlie Lowes comments slightly xenophobic (he's a nice chap, and I'm sure he is not a racist at all, but his comments there were a bit weird) as I don't really see how he knows who are Irish or not and live in the places he is describing.
    To my reading he seems to be saying the Irish don't litte as much as immigrants - which has to be bollox, frankly.

    What I find more offensive is that you hijacked my thread over to yours. :mad:

    According to the census - 70 per cent of people in the north city electoral ward are born outside of Ireland. If anything, the lad was making it clear that it wasnt just the majority doing the dumping, but some natives too.


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