What I don't get about PC and so called offesive posts

WayneMolloy · 12-04-2013 07:27PM

Seachmall wrote: »

Because the Pope isn't going to issue a fatwā...

So people refuse to slate Islam, like they do Christianity, purely out of cowardice?

That just emboldens them.

12-04-2013 07:27PM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

It's gas the ones that are the most racist/xenophobic/homophobic/sexist complain the most about the PC Brigade. :rolleyes:

Usually, in my observation, a complaint about the pc brigade is just a complaint that they can't spout bile and get away with it.

It's a way of throwing mud at the people who find your opinions objectionable, and deflecting it away from your own bigotry. Often you'll see a claim that free speech is being eroded too, because every bigot wants the right to spread the hate.

Gatling · 12-04-2013 07:27PM

WayneMolloy wrote: »

So people refuse to slate Islam, like they do Christianity, purely out of cowardice?

That just emboldens them.

That's it exactly

iDave · 12-04-2013 07:30PM

Political correctness was created with noble intentions, unfortunately its not applied consistently and is often used in an inappropriate manner and as a form of manipulation. Crying racist is often a lazy way of discrediting someone you dont agree with

Legs.Eleven · 12-04-2013 07:31PM

iDave wrote: »

Political correctness was created with noble intentions, unfortunately its not applied consistently and is often used in an inappropriate manner and as a form of manipulation. Crying racist is often a lazy way of discrediting someone you dont agree with

What if it is actually racist?

humbert · 12-04-2013 07:32PM

Candie wrote: »

Usually, in my observation, a complaint about the pc brigade is just a complaint that they can't spout bile and get away with it.

It's a way of throwing mud at the people who find your opinions objectionable, and deflecting it away from your own bigotry. Often you'll see a claim that free speech is being eroded too, because every bigot wants the right to spread the hate.

Assuming they are not extreme, for example directly trying to incite violence, is the solution really to deny them the right to speak? Would it not be better to refute their arguments publicly?

laoch na mona · 12-04-2013 07:33PM

the people who call something pc are generally a bit racist or bigoted

it is perfectly ok saying someone does something put if their race has nothing to do with it do not mention their nationality

ie the diver kicked me off the bus thats grand

the Nigerian driver kicked me off the bus thats being a bit racist because there is no need to point out the race of the driver

WayneMolloy · 12-04-2013 07:33PM

Gatling wrote: »

That's it exactly

Dutch jews are wondering if there is a future for them in Holland. Why? Anti semitics attacks on them from the muslim community - http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/I-see-no-future-for-Jews-in-the-Netherlands

You can visit Anne Franks hideaway and after lunch, see antisemitism in action.

Same rings true in Sweden, Norway, parts of Germany and France. The cops and politicans are too terrified of appearing 'racist' to actually clamp down on this bs.

When did Europeans become such pussies?

shopaholic01 · 12-04-2013 07:34PM

We tend to get offended by opinions that clash with our own, and likewise won't have a problem with opinions we agree with, even if they are offensive to others.

There's no mystery involved, the trick is not to take an internet forum seriously.

MadsL · 12-04-2013 07:34PM

OP as the former OP - I find Charlie Lowes comments slightly xenophobic (he's a nice chap, and I'm sure he is not a racist at all, but his comments there were a bit weird) as I don't really see how he knows who are Irish or not and live in the places he is describing.
To my reading he seems to be saying the Irish don't litter as much as immigrants - which has to be bollox, frankly.

What I find more offensive is that you hijacked my thread over to yours. :mad:

iDave · 12-04-2013 07:35PM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

What if it is actually racist?

Then its fair game but offering a critique of a religion, nation, cultural practice etc that well thought out and fair isnt racist.

Ranicand · 12-04-2013 07:35PM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

My point is, you acknowledge that those posts deserved a ban and as you said were all over the place. You're asking us, as someone who posted some pretty hateful stuff to say the least, why people shouldn't be allowed to say what the want as long as they could back it up with facts. My point is you didn't, so I find it difficult to take what you've written seriously as you didn't practise what you preached.

I called you out on it because you were pretty much talking out of your backside.

There is not a hateful bone in my body and that is the truth.

When posting facts I can get baited and my focus narrows.

As regards people practicing what they preach I will give one good example.

Those who react with outrage when travellers are mentioned in a negative way are usually the people who live furthest away from them.

Why no halting sites in Howth or Foxrock for example?

The same groups stay very silent when council suburbs are put down.

Again I am not having a go at people I am just asking why the selective application of moral rules?

The King of Moo · 12-04-2013 07:36PM

This thread is absolute nonsense, with nothing in the way of concrete examples of all this "PC gone mad!!"

And the extreme right-wingers wonder why people give them a hard time and don't buy their hateful rubbish.

Daveysil15 · 12-04-2013 07:37PM

Candie wrote: »

Usually, in my observation, a complaint about the pc brigade is just a complaint that they can't spout bile and get away with it.

A very good point, although some people may think a person is spouting bile just because they don't agree with what they're saying. Not everyone will think its bile.

12-04-2013 07:37PM

humbert wrote: »

Assuming they are not extreme, for example directly trying to incite violence, is the solution really to deny them the right to speak? Would it not be better to refute their arguments publicly?

I never suggested denying them the right to speak, only remarked that the ones who complain about people pulling them up on unpopular opinions wouldn't have that problem if their opinions weren't so...unpopular.:)

State your opinions if you must, but be prepared for a backlash if they're offensive.

laoch na mona · 12-04-2013 07:38PM

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Dutch jews are wondering if there is a future for them in Holland. Why? Anti semitics attacks on them from the muslim community - http://www.jpost.com/Jewish-World/Jewish-News/I-see-no-future-for-Jews-in-the-Netherlands

You can visit Anne Franks hideaway and after lunch, see antisemitism in action.

Same rings true in Sweden, Norway, parts of Germany and France. The cops and politicans are too terrified of appearing 'racist' to actually clamp down on this bs.

When did Europeans become such pussies?

you have serious issues plenty Europeans are Muslim or do they not meet the criteria of your mighty volk

12-04-2013 07:38PM

Ranicand wrote: »

Why no halting sites in Howth or Foxrock for example?

People always assume this is some sort of council decision. The fact is that the councils own very little land in areas like Foxrock or Howth, because it is extremely expensive.

Ranicand · 12-04-2013 07:39PM

laoch na mona wrote: »

the Nigerian driver kicked me off the bus thats being a bit racist because there is no need to point out the race of the driver

However Tallaght scanngers were hanging around is fine.

Honesty do you not see the point here?
As regards the bus driver thing fine but why not apply it across the board?

MadsL · 12-04-2013 07:39PM

Ranicand wrote: »

Those who react with outrage when travellers are mentioned in a negative way are usually the people who live furthest away from them.

This.

There isn't a rolleyes smilie big enough.

WayneMolloy · 12-04-2013 07:42PM

MadsL wrote: »

OP as the former OP - I find Charlie Lowes comments slightly xenophobic (he's a nice chap, and I'm sure he is not a racist at all, but his comments there were a bit weird) as I don't really see how he knows who are Irish or not and live in the places he is describing.
To my reading he seems to be saying the Irish don't litte as much as immigrants - which has to be bollox, frankly.

What I find more offensive is that you hijacked my thread over to yours. :mad:

According to the census - 70 per cent of people in the north city electoral ward are born outside of Ireland. If anything, the lad was making it clear that it wasnt just the majority doing the dumping, but some natives too.

Gatling · 12-04-2013 07:43PM

Ranicand wrote: »

However Tallaght scanngers were hanging around is fine.

Honesty do you not see the point here?
As regards the bus driver thing fine but why not apply it across the board?

What he meant was the non national from outside the Eu and possibly from an African country beginning with a N
Asked me to leave my mode of public transport ,
And some young ladies and gentlemen from west dublin were standing around discussing topics of interest

Ranicand · 12-04-2013 07:44PM

Gatling wrote: »

And some young ladies and gentlemen from west dublin were standing around discussing topics of interest

:D:D

laoch na mona · 12-04-2013 07:44PM

Ranicand wrote: »

However Tallaght scanngers were hanging around is fine.

Honesty do you not see the point here?
As regards the bus driver thing fine but why not apply it across the board?

I don't think i fully get what you mean (correct me if I misunderstood you)

for me it does I hate when people say talllaght or ballymun like its an insult
so for me it does apply across the board

WayneMolloy · 12-04-2013 07:46PM

laoch na mona wrote: »

you have serious issues plenty Europeans are Muslim or do they not meet the criteria of your mighty volk

Case in point.

Jews are being attacked and run out of parts of Europe by recently arrived muslims and I am a nazi for bringing it up.

WayneMolloy · 12-04-2013 07:49PM

Candie wrote: »

People always assume this is some sort of council decision. The fact is that the councils own very little land in areas like Foxrock or Howth, because it is extremely expensive.

Former justice minister McDowell tried to set up an asylum centre in Dublin 4 in the early 2000s. The locals ran him out of it.

Nimbyism.

laoch na mona · 12-04-2013 07:49PM

Ranicand wrote: »

Those who react with outrage when travellers are mentioned in a negative way are usually the people who live furthest away from them.

I went to school with travelers some live very close to me and yes some are ***** put them beening travelers and ***** is not related. They are ***** because some people are *****. I hate it when people have a go at people for being born into the wrong community

Ranicand · 12-04-2013 07:51PM

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Former justice minister McDowell tried to set up an asylum centre in Dublin 4 in the early 2000s. The locals ran him out of it.

Nimbyism.

I also remember Dublin Corporation wanted to build a number of homes on Howth the locals did not react too well.

12-04-2013 07:51PM

WayneMolloy wrote: »

Former justice minister McDowell tried to set up an asylum centre in Dublin 4 in the early 2000s. The locals ran him out of it.

Nimbyism.

Fair enough in that case, but in the case of halting sites, a large ground area is needed which is very expensive in the more exclusive suburbs.

I'm not suggesting that that's the only obstacle, but it's one reason why it's not mooted in the first place.

Lenin Skynard · 12-04-2013 07:51PM

The King of Moo wrote: »

This thread is absolute nonsense, with nothing in the way of concrete examples of all this "PC gone mad!!"

Funnily enough, the only people I ever heard using these phrases 'PC Brigade' and 'PC gone mad' before I joined boards.ie were out-of-date British comedians like Bernard Manning and Jim Davidson.

Legs.Eleven · 12-04-2013 07:52PM

OP remember that time that guy started the thread asking people who they felt about single people and you bit his head off about judging single people without talking every individual's story? Well that's pretty much how I feel when sweeping generalisations are made about other groups of people without knowing their story or getting facts wrong.

I don't agree with how you worded your post or the aggressive tone it was written in but I did agree with the essence of your post. We have no right to judge others without knowing their story.

Edit: Just to say, I might be coming across very sanctimonious here and I do have my prejudices but they're something I accept as MY problem and I'd expect to be called out on them if I made them know.

What I don't get about PC and so called offesive posts

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