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SDLP call for the release of Marian Price.

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    #32
    .jacksparrow.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,428 ✭✭✭.jacksparrow.


    gallag wrote: »
    If they started bombing people over the flag issue then yes, why is all the attention on the small amount of flag protesters at the minute and no mention of the republican bombs going off or being found nearly weekly at the minute?


    Every day there is reports of dissident activity,every day,no mention?come off it.


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    #33
    gallag
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,355 ✭✭✭gallag


    .jacksparrow. wrote: »
    Every day there is reports of dissident activity,every day,no mention?come off it.

    No mention on here I mean, to busy talking about those dastardly loyalists protesting about the flag, no doubt if it was the loyalists bombingand ttrying to kill there would be a lot of threads on here about it, as you said it is in the news every day just no mention of a bombing campaign in here.


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    #34
    GRMA
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    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    Amen.


    Could you republicans not perhaps focus your energies on slightly more productive campaigns for the country? Or will you ever move past getting your criminal members out of jail as a primary objective?

    Her detention is a symptom of a problem in the north - its also a human rights issue.

    As has already been stated there is a broad support for her release from all kinds of political parties and independent human rights activists. Its not just republicans who feel she should be released.


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    #35
    GRMA
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,417 ✭✭✭GRMA


    gallag wrote: »
    No mention on here I mean, to busy talking about those dastardly loyalists protesting about the flag, no doubt if it was the loyalists bombingand ttrying to kill there would be a lot of threads on here about it, as you said it is in the news every day just no mention of a bombing campaign in here.
    Any attempt at a discussion or analysis on bombings in here beyond simply saying "evil bastards" is labeled as support for them and those who start the threads as cheerleaders when they are anything but - I'd say thats why people dont bother.

    By all means give it a go yourself


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    #36
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    Amen.


    Could you republicans not perhaps focus your energies on slightly more productive campaigns for the country? Or will you ever move past getting your criminal members out of jail as a primary objective?

    This thread is about the SDLP- and not Provisional Sinn Fein, Republican Sinn Fein, the Workers Party or the Irish Republican Socialist Party calling for her release.


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    #37
    gallag
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    GRMA wrote: »
    Any attempt at a discussion or analysis on bombings in here beyond simply saying "evil bastards" is labeled as support for them and those who start the threads as cheerleaders when they are anything but - I'd say thats why people dont bother.

    By all means give it a go yourself

    Would you condemn the recent bomb attacks? Or do you save your condemnation for the flag protesters you like to mention regularly?


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    #38
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    gallag wrote: »
    If they started bombing people over the flag issue then yes, why is all the attention on the small amount of flag protesters at the minute and no mention of the republican bombs going off or being found nearly weekly at the minute?

    It terms of support and damage to the economy and over all effectiveness in general the fleg movement is or at least was a much graver issue. That said the OP did mention the fascistic gag order on Willie Frazer and the internment of fleggers as well by the occupational government should be seen in relation to Marion Price's internment. The UK state is clearly prepared to use all manner of repression against anyone who to loudly shows up that the failed experiment that is Northern Ireland is anything but normal.


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    #39
    SoulandForm
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    gallag wrote: »
    Would you condemn the recent bomb attacks? Or do you save your condemnation for the flag protesters you like to mention regularly?

    Clearly the recent bomb attacks are wrong however they are a lot more understandable than the flag protests. Their is an evil cult of violence on both sides of the community.


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    #40
    GRMA
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    gallag wrote: »
    Would you condemn the recent bomb attacks? Or do you save your condemnation for the flag protesters you like to mention regularly?
    Yes I think there is no merit in armed campaign whatsoever its having the opposite effect than what is intended and is hindering republican goals. All it does is destroy families

    What relevance this has to this thread is beyond me, unless you think that people who don't condemn it should be locked up just because of that fact?


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    #41
    Seaneh
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    junder wrote: »
    She is in prison for breaching her licence conditions. It's odd that every republican that has been arrested recently suddenly develops fatal illnesses

    She wasn't released on licence, she was pardoned.


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    #42
    GRMA
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    Seaneh wrote: »
    She wasn't released on licence, she was pardoned.
    And how could she break her license conditions of even the brits dont know what they are


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    #43
    gallag
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    SoulandForm wrote: »
    Clearly the recent bomb attacks are wrong however they are a lot more understandable than the flag protests. Their is an evil cult of violence on both sides of the community.

    Planting bombs to kill people is more understandable than protesting? The warped mind of the republican, life is all but to cheep for you.


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    #44
    gallag
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    SoulandForm wrote: »
    It terms of support and damage to the economy and over all effectiveness in general the fleg movement is or at least was a much graver issue. That said the OP did mention the fascistic gag order on Willie Frazer and the internment of fleggers as well by the occupational government should be seen in relation to Marion Price's internment. The UK state is clearly prepared to use all manner of repression against anyone who to loudly shows up that the failed experiment that is Northern Ireland is anything but normal.

    Occupational government? Where are you talking about now?


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    #45
    SoulandForm
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,096 ✭✭✭SoulandForm


    gallag wrote: »
    Planting bombs to kill people is more understandable than protesting? The warped mind of the republican, life is all but to cheep for you.

    I dont think any of these recent bombs, pathetic as they were, were meant to kill- rather they were meant to disrupt. They are more understandable because they are motivated by resistance to the root causes of most of the problems of Northern Ireland rather than throwing a sectarian tizzy over the removal of a foreign flag that you have adopted as your tribal emblem. Im opposed to violence- all violence.


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    #46
    gallag
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    SoulandForm wrote: »
    I dont think any of these recent bombs, pathetic as they were, were meant to kill- rather they were meant to disrupt. They are more understandable because they are motivated by resistance to the root causes of most of the problems of Northern Ireland rather than throwing a sectarian tizzy over the removal of a foreign flag that you have adopted as your tribal emblem. Im opposed to violence- all violence.
    Laughable, 130lbs of explosives packed into a car is just a pathetic disruption, classic, right up there with the recent "the Warrington bombs were not ment to kill" line, just lucky our police service is managing to neutralise the republican bombing campaign at the minute.


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    #47
    GRMA
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    Congratulations, you've achieved your aim in derailing the thread


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    #48
    SoulandForm
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    gallag wrote: »
    Planting bombs to kill people is more understandable than protesting? The warped mind of the republican, life is all but to cheep for you.

    I made it clear I am against all violence- you are not though. Infact you defended people from the south of Ireland with such blood lust that they would join the British Army. So leave off the hypocrisy.


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    #49
    pablomakaveli
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    SoulandForm wrote: »
    I made it clear I am against all violence- you are not though. Infact you defended people from the south of Ireland with such blood lust that they would join the British Army. So leave off the hypocrisy.

    Everyone know the boys with bloodlust in the south join Marians pals in the IRA.


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    #50
    SoulandForm
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    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    Everyone know the boys with bloodlust in the south join Marians pals in the IRA.

    How many people has British Imperialism murdered in the twenty years compared to physical force Irish Republicanism? If people want to sate blood lust they know where to go.

    If I was a little girl again and in the Ardoyne I would be cheering on the dissoes.

    Why do people like you and gallag want the troubles back? Was it not horrific enough the last time around?


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    #51
    pablomakaveli
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    SoulandForm wrote: »
    How many people has British Imperialism murdered in the twenty years compared to physical force Irish Republicanism? If people want to sate blood lust they know where to go.

    If I was a little girl again and in the Ardoyne I would be cheering on the dissoes.

    Why do people like you and gallag want the troubles back? Was it not horrific enough the last time around?

    Are you having a laugh?

    People like you who want dissidents released onto the streets, dissidents like Marian Price, are the people who want the troubles to kick off again. The dissidents are the only ones trying to drag the North back into the Troubles again.


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    #52
    guttenberg
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    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    Are you having a laugh?

    People like you who want dissidents released onto the streets, dissidents like Marian Price, are the people who want the troubles to kick off again. The dissidents are the only ones trying to drag the North back into the Troubles again.
    So bringing back internment and locking away anyone who disagrees with the current political situation is the way forward? surely history should show you that it's counterproductive and increases support for hardline republicanism?


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    #53
    LordSutch
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    Three questions:

    a/ What exactly did Marian Price do in the 1st place to warrent imprisonment?

    b/ What did she do the 2nd time to warrent being put in jail again?

    c/ Why should she be released from prison?


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    #54
    guttenberg
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    Three questions:

    a/ What exactly did Marian Price do in the 1st place to warrent imprisonment?

    b/ What did she do the 2nd time to warrent being put in jail again?

    c/ Why should she be released from prison?
    She was part of the group responsible for the London bombings in the 70's and spent a number of years in jail for that. When she was released there is some dispute over whether she got a complete pardon, or if she was released on license.
    She was arrested in relation to the murder of the two soldiers at Massereene Barracks, but as far as I'm aware no charges/convictions were made against her?
    She held the paper statement up from which a masked man read an IRA Easter statement in Derry a coupe years ago, she was arrested for helping to arrange a meeting in support of an illegal organisation. It was this arrest that prompted her "license" to be revoked and her sent back to prison, although charges in relation to that Easter IRA statement were dropped. However she still remains in prison. Her supporters argue that this is simply to keep her quiet, as she hasn't been convicted for anything. Whilst her politics are questionable, should someone be kept in prison indefinitely as lets be realistic, she hasn't been found guilty of any crimes?

    I think that's a fair enough summary of Marian Price m'lord:)


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    #55
    pablomakaveli
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    guttenberg wrote: »
    So bringing back internment and locking away anyone who disagrees with the current political situation is the way forward? surely history should show you that it's counterproductive and increases support for hardline republicanism?

    No locking away people associating and working with dissidents is. I seriously doubt the dissidents would be willing to lay down their arms even if their members werent being arrested.


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    GRMA
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    LordSutch wrote: »
    Three questions:

    a/ What exactly did Marian Price do in the 1st place to warrent imprisonment?

    b/ What did she do the 2nd time to warrent being put in jail again?

    c/ Why should she be released from prison?
    a) Bombed the old bailey with her sister, SF MLA Gerry Kelly and others. They went on hungerstrike and were repeatedly forcefed, in effect a kind of torture which resulted in the murder of Michael Gaughan. She and her sister in particular suffered very badly and had a whole host of mental and physical ailments as a result. They were released, near death, in 1980 or so.

    b) She held a piece of paper at a commemoration in Derry from which a masked man read an easter message from the RIRA. The authorities acknowledged she didnt know the content of it. She was charged over this and given bail, but then the secretary of state "revoked her license" this is disputed because she was pardoned rather than released on license. Either way the authorities can not not produce anything giving her license terms. The charges over the commemoration were then dropped - ie she committed no crime. So she did nothing which warranted prison.

    c) Because its a human rights issue, she shouldnt be in jail. Its wrong to imprison someone because of their politics unless they commit a crime which she hasnt - if she has she should face trial. Theres also the fact that she is extremely ill, she could not even go to her sisters funeral, they were very close. As it is she is kept in hospital and numerous doctors have said that she is too ill, doesn't represent a threat and should be released. This regularly happens with other prisoners. There is also concern over her potentially dying - should dissident republicans be given a martyr?

    As has been pointed out its not just republicans calling for her release but human rights campaigners and politicians of all hues.


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    guttenberg
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    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    No locking away people associating and working with dissidents is. I seriously doubt the dissidents would be willing to lay down their arms even if their members werent being arrested.

    You don't understand the psyche of "dissident" republicanism do you?


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    Fratton Fred
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    GRMA wrote: »
    a) Bombed the old bailey with her sister, SF MLA Gerry Kelly and others. They went on hungerstrike and were repeatedly forcefed, in effect a kind of torture which resulted in the murder of Michael Gaughan. She and her sister in particular suffered very badly and had a whole host of mental and physical ailments as a result. They were released, near death, in 1980 or so.

    b) She held a piece of paper at a commemoration in Derry from which a masked man read an easter message from the RIRA. The authorities acknowledged she didnt know the content of it. She was charged over this and given bail, but then the secretary of state "revoked her license" this is disputed because she was pardoned rather than released on license. Either way the authorities can not not produce anything giving her license terms. The charges over the commemoration were then dropped - ie she committed no crime. So she did nothing which warranted prison.

    c) Because its a human rights issue, she shouldnt be in jail. Its wrong to imprison someone because of their politics unless they commit a crime which she hasnt - if she has she should face trial. Theres also the fact that she is extremely ill, she could not even go to her sisters funeral, they were very close. As it is she is kept in hospital and numerous doctors have said that she is too ill, doesn't represent a threat and should be released. This regularly happens with other prisoners. There is also concern over her potentially dying - should dissident republicans be given a martyr?

    As has been pointed out its not just republicans calling for her release but human rights campaigners and politicians of all hues.

    Post needs more balance.

    She didn't just "bomb the Old Bailey" she helped plant several bombs in a very busy central London location that killed one person and seriously injured scores more.


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    #59
    pablomakaveli
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    guttenberg wrote: »
    You don't understand the psyche of "dissident" republicanism do you?

    So if Marian Price is released they'll lay down their arms and embrace the GFA?

    Id be shocked if they did.


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    guttenberg
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    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    So if Marian Price is released they'll lay down their arms and embrace the GFA?

    Id be shocked if they did.

    Republicans ultimately want a united Ireland, they believe the use of violence/arms will help achieve that. Read up on the history of Ireland if you want to understand how they justify that. The GFA was sold to them as a peaceful means of furthering their objective of getting a united Ireland. That hasn't happened, and they feel disillusioned with the current political situation in the North(look at their recent comments on Sinn Fein) so they've reverted to armed actions. Look at the Facebook pages of those involved with the Belfast flag debacle. They too feel the GFA has failed them, and it hasn't cemented their culture/standing as part of the UK. Irrespective of all this, should Marian Price remain in prison solely on the say so of someone who isn't accountable to the electorate of Northern Ireland?


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    #61
    T runner
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    oscarBravo wrote: »
    Yeah, every single pacifist in Belfast spontaneously became a homicidal maniac during that timeframe. I mean, it's not like they had any choice, right?

    I think using violence to protect your family and liberties is fine by me. There had been ongoing loyalist and state pogroms and violence against the nationalist community in NI since the mid-sixties/ You knew that right?

    Imperial powers use violence against entire nations for selfish reasons. I have a feeling that such actions resulting in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people would not meet your dissapproval, yet a woman defending her family and community (by attacking the state responsible for the oppression) is a homicidal maniac?

    Your fairness is as off kilter as your understanding of Irish history.


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