SDLP call for the release of Marian Price.

SoulandForm

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0330/379102-sdlp-calls-for-marian-price-release/

I for one am very glad that they have done this and hope that they will continue to speak out against such grave actions of political policing. I also hope they speak out against the gag order on Willie Frazer even though he doesnt have a lot of sensible things to say.

GRMA

Only a matter of time before she is released I hope, there is a political consensus across the island that she should be released (apart from the unionist parties)

SoulandForm

GRMA wrote: »

Only a matter of time before she is released I hope, there is a political consensus across the island that she should be released (apart from the unionist parties)

I think she should be released however I dont see it happening.

http://thepensivequill.am/2013/03/another-one-interned-by-decree.html

The UK government wants Northern Ireland to be quite and act as normally as possible- and is prepared to come down hard to make it do so.

Phoebas

GRMA wrote: »

Only a matter of time before she is released I hope, there is a political consensus across the island that she should be released (apart from the unionist parties)

I haven't seen this political consensus at all. What are you referring to?

GRMA

Phoebas wrote: »

I haven't seen this political consensus at all. What are you referring to?

There is cross party support for her release - look at the unanimous motions calling for her release by many county councils across the country

Fianna Fáil, Labour and even Fine Gael want her released. As do (as far as I can see) all of the opposition in the Dáil

Sierra Oscar

GRMA wrote: »

There is cross party support for her release - look at the unanimous motions calling for her release by many county councils across the country

Fianna Fáil, Labour and even Fine Gael want her released. As do (as far as I can see) all of the opposition in the Dáil

Indeed, there does seem to be cross party support for her release - especially amongst opposition TD's throughout the political divide.

hare

SF could make a start by leaving their friends on the policeing board.

Yitzhak Rabin

Hope she doesn't get out. Don't have any sympathy for murders like her.

SoulandForm

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

Hope she doesn't get out. Don't have any sympathy for murders like her.

Well the British state themselves released her before the troubles ended on compassionate grounds and her being put back into prison was clearly down to her political views. Also I think dont think she is the type of person who would have been involved in hurting people if it hadnt been for the situation that existed in Belfast in the late 60s/early 70s. Its clear that she is in jail not because of the Old Bailey bombing but because of her opposition to the GFA and to scare others away from public opposition to it. She is also now at this stage a frail and ill woman. Do you agree with the gag order on Willie Frazer and Jamie Bryson also?

junder

SoulandForm wrote: »

Well the British state themselves released her before the troubles ended on compassionate grounds and her being put back into prison was clearly down to her political views. Also I think dont think she is the type of person who would have been involved in hurting people if it hadnt been for the situation that existed in Belfast in the late 60s/early 70s. Its clear that she is in jail not because of the Old Bailey bombing but because of her opposition to the GFA and to scare others away from public opposition to it. She is also now at this stage a frail and ill woman. Do you agree with the gag order on Willie Frazer and Jamie Bryson also?

She is in prison for breaching her licence conditions. It's odd that every republican that has been arrested recently suddenly develops fatal illnesses

hatrickpatrick

It seems very simple to me, if she's suspected of doing something she should be charged with an offense and tried before a jury of her peers.
What legal loophole is being used to imprison someone without trial? Isn't internment supposed to be a thing of the past?

SoulandForm

junder wrote: »

She is in prison for breaching her licence conditions. It's odd that every republican that has been arrested recently suddenly develops fatal illnesses

She wasnt released under the GFA. She made pro-PIRA statements after her release when their campaign was going on.

Fratton Fred

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

It seems very simple to me, if she's suspected of doing something she should be charged with an offense and tried before a jury of her peers.
What legal loophole is being used to imprison someone without trial? Isn't internment supposed to be a thing of the past?

She was released under license. She broke the conditions of that license and had her release revoked.

getzls

junder wrote: »

She is in prison for breaching her licence conditions. It's odd that every republican that has been arrested recently suddenly develops fatal illnesses

Indeed!

Though was she not released 30 years ago because she was at deaths door?

SoulandForm

Fratton Fred wrote: »

She was released under license. She broke the conditions of that license and had her release revoked.

Yet the British state has lost the terms of the original terms of the release.

Phoebas

GRMA wrote: »

There is cross party support for her release - look at the unanimous motions calling for her release by many county councils across the country

Fianna Fáil, Labour and even Fine Gael want her released. As do (as far as I can see) all of the opposition in the Dáil

Limited cross party support != political consensus.

Have any of the major parties passed motions at party conference/Ard Fheis ?

pablomakaveli

Which county councils have called for her release?

oscarBravo

SoulandForm wrote: »

Also I think dont think she is the type of person who would have been involved in hurting people if it hadnt been for the situation that existed in Belfast in the late 60s/early 70s.

Yeah, every single pacifist in Belfast spontaneously became a homicidal maniac during that timeframe. I mean, it's not like they had any choice, right?

SoulandForm wrote: »

Yet the British state has lost the terms of the original terms of the release.

I'm sure Marian has a copy kicking about somewhere.

laoch na mona

even the UN special rapporteur on health called for her release so I'm all for it
she has been tortured according to the UN definition of torture

ohh and she received a royal prerogative of mercy which is a full pardon

Phoebas

laoch na mona wrote: »

even the UN special rapporteur on health called for her release so I'm all for it
she has been tortured according to the UN definition of torture

Do you have a link to any of this?

As I understand it, the Special Rapporteur said that solitary confinement could amount to torture.

laoch na mona wrote: »

ohh and she received a royal prerogative of mercy which is a full pardon

She was let out on licence and she broke the terms of her release.

SoulandForm

Phoebas wrote: »

She was let out on licence and she broke the terms of her release.

She was released and we heard no more about her having to be politically silent until suddenly after years of her writing articles and voicing her opinion we are told that doing so was breaking the terms of her licence. But the British state has lost these terms that were never mentioned until her arrest and she denies ever existed- bit strange that.

Phoebas

SoulandForm wrote: »

She was released and we heard no more about her having to be politically silent until suddenly after years of her writing articles and voicing her opinion we are told that doing so was breaking the terms of her licence. But the British state has lost these terms that were never mentioned until her arrest and she denies ever existed- bit strange that.

That being the case, a simple legal action should clear things up.

SoulandForm

Phoebas wrote: »

That being the case, a simple legal action should clear things up.

We are talking about Northern Ireland. The fact that a simple legal action has not cleared things says it all really.

gallag

Hopefully the murderous wench never walks our streets again, to openly support the return to violence against the will of the people and being opposed the the democratic agreement which was good enough at the time to get her vile murdering self out of prision shows her character.

GRMA

gallag wrote: »

Hopefully the murderous wench never walks our streets again, to openly support the return to violence against the will of the people and being opposed the the democratic agreement which was good enough at the time to get her vile murdering self out of prision shows her character.

Try and learn the FACTS. She never supported the GFA and was not released because of it, she was released nearly two decades before it

RandomName2

I would normally say "trial or release" but she seems to be back inside serving time for her original conviction (of bombing).

She should still have a date of release, of course. Mind you, that date of release might be quite down the line. Gerry Kelly got two life sentences for the same bombing... before making an armed escape from the Maze, becoming a terrorist in the Netherlands, arrested and extradited back to the UK and making it as a Sinn Fein MLA. :pac:

garhjw, please read the charter before posting, particularly concerning the use of "scum"/"scumbags"

gallag

gallag wrote: »

Hopefully the murderous wench never walks our streets again, to openly support the return to violence against the will of the people and being opposed the the democratic agreement which was good enough at the time to get her vile murdering self out of prision shows her character.

Amen.


Could you republicans not perhaps focus your energies on slightly more productive campaigns for the country? Or will you ever move past getting your criminal members out of jail as a primary objective?

guttenberg

gallag wrote: »

Hopefully the murderous wench never walks our streets again, to openly support the return to violence against the will of the people and being opposed the the democratic agreement which was good enough at the time to get her vile murdering self out of prision shows her character.

So intern her indefinitely because her politics are different to yours and mine? wasn't that tried before and failed to solve NI's problems?

.jacksparrow.

guttenberg wrote: »

So intern her indefinitely because her politics are different to yours and mine? wasn't that tried before and failed to solve NI's problems?

I'm sure gallag wishes the same on the thousands of loyalists who opposed the democratic vote over the flag issue.

gallag

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

I'm sure gallag wishes the same on the thousands of loyalists who opposed the democratic vote over the flag issue.

If they started bombing people over the flag issue then yes, why is all the attention on the small amount of flag protesters at the minute and no mention of the republican bombs going off or being found nearly weekly at the minute?

.jacksparrow.

gallag wrote: »

If they started bombing people over the flag issue then yes, why is all the attention on the small amount of flag protesters at the minute and no mention of the republican bombs going off or being found nearly weekly at the minute?

Every day there is reports of dissident activity,every day,no mention?come off it.

gallag

.jacksparrow. wrote: »

Every day there is reports of dissident activity,every day,no mention?come off it.

No mention on here I mean, to busy talking about those dastardly loyalists protesting about the flag, no doubt if it was the loyalists bombingand ttrying to kill there would be a lot of threads on here about it, as you said it is in the news every day just no mention of a bombing campaign in here.

GRMA

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

Amen.


Could you republicans not perhaps focus your energies on slightly more productive campaigns for the country? Or will you ever move past getting your criminal members out of jail as a primary objective?

Her detention is a symptom of a problem in the north - its also a human rights issue.

As has already been stated there is a broad support for her release from all kinds of political parties and independent human rights activists. Its not just republicans who feel she should be released.

GRMA

gallag wrote: »

No mention on here I mean, to busy talking about those dastardly loyalists protesting about the flag, no doubt if it was the loyalists bombingand ttrying to kill there would be a lot of threads on here about it, as you said it is in the news every day just no mention of a bombing campaign in here.

Any attempt at a discussion or analysis on bombings in here beyond simply saying "evil bastards" is labeled as support for them and those who start the threads as cheerleaders when they are anything but - I'd say thats why people dont bother.

By all means give it a go yourself

SoulandForm

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

Amen.


Could you republicans not perhaps focus your energies on slightly more productive campaigns for the country? Or will you ever move past getting your criminal members out of jail as a primary objective?

This thread is about the SDLP- and not Provisional Sinn Fein, Republican Sinn Fein, the Workers Party or the Irish Republican Socialist Party calling for her release.

gallag

GRMA wrote: »

Any attempt at a discussion or analysis on bombings in here beyond simply saying "evil bastards" is labeled as support for them and those who start the threads as cheerleaders when they are anything but - I'd say thats why people dont bother.

By all means give it a go yourself

Would you condemn the recent bomb attacks? Or do you save your condemnation for the flag protesters you like to mention regularly?

SoulandForm

gallag wrote: »

If they started bombing people over the flag issue then yes, why is all the attention on the small amount of flag protesters at the minute and no mention of the republican bombs going off or being found nearly weekly at the minute?

It terms of support and damage to the economy and over all effectiveness in general the fleg movement is or at least was a much graver issue. That said the OP did mention the fascistic gag order on Willie Frazer and the internment of fleggers as well by the occupational government should be seen in relation to Marion Price's internment. The UK state is clearly prepared to use all manner of repression against anyone who to loudly shows up that the failed experiment that is Northern Ireland is anything but normal.

SoulandForm

gallag wrote: »

Would you condemn the recent bomb attacks? Or do you save your condemnation for the flag protesters you like to mention regularly?

Clearly the recent bomb attacks are wrong however they are a lot more understandable than the flag protests. Their is an evil cult of violence on both sides of the community.

GRMA

gallag wrote: »

Would you condemn the recent bomb attacks? Or do you save your condemnation for the flag protesters you like to mention regularly?

Yes I think there is no merit in armed campaign whatsoever its having the opposite effect than what is intended and is hindering republican goals. All it does is destroy families

What relevance this has to this thread is beyond me, unless you think that people who don't condemn it should be locked up just because of that fact?

Seaneh

junder wrote: »

She is in prison for breaching her licence conditions. It's odd that every republican that has been arrested recently suddenly develops fatal illnesses

She wasn't released on licence, she was pardoned.

GRMA

Seaneh wrote: »

She wasn't released on licence, she was pardoned.

And how could she break her license conditions of even the brits dont know what they are

gallag

SoulandForm wrote: »

Clearly the recent bomb attacks are wrong however they are a lot more understandable than the flag protests. Their is an evil cult of violence on both sides of the community.

Planting bombs to kill people is more understandable than protesting? The warped mind of the republican, life is all but to cheep for you.

gallag

SoulandForm wrote: »

It terms of support and damage to the economy and over all effectiveness in general the fleg movement is or at least was a much graver issue. That said the OP did mention the fascistic gag order on Willie Frazer and the internment of fleggers as well by the occupational government should be seen in relation to Marion Price's internment. The UK state is clearly prepared to use all manner of repression against anyone who to loudly shows up that the failed experiment that is Northern Ireland is anything but normal.

Occupational government? Where are you talking about now?

SoulandForm

gallag wrote: »

Planting bombs to kill people is more understandable than protesting? The warped mind of the republican, life is all but to cheep for you.

I dont think any of these recent bombs, pathetic as they were, were meant to kill- rather they were meant to disrupt. They are more understandable because they are motivated by resistance to the root causes of most of the problems of Northern Ireland rather than throwing a sectarian tizzy over the removal of a foreign flag that you have adopted as your tribal emblem. Im opposed to violence- all violence.

gallag

SoulandForm wrote: »

I dont think any of these recent bombs, pathetic as they were, were meant to kill- rather they were meant to disrupt. They are more understandable because they are motivated by resistance to the root causes of most of the problems of Northern Ireland rather than throwing a sectarian tizzy over the removal of a foreign flag that you have adopted as your tribal emblem. Im opposed to violence- all violence.

Laughable, 130lbs of explosives packed into a car is just a pathetic disruption, classic, right up there with the recent "the Warrington bombs were not ment to kill" line, just lucky our police service is managing to neutralise the republican bombing campaign at the minute.

GRMA

Congratulations, you've achieved your aim in derailing the thread

SoulandForm

gallag wrote: »

Planting bombs to kill people is more understandable than protesting? The warped mind of the republican, life is all but to cheep for you.

I made it clear I am against all violence- you are not though. Infact you defended people from the south of Ireland with such blood lust that they would join the British Army. So leave off the hypocrisy.

pablomakaveli

SoulandForm wrote: »

I made it clear I am against all violence- you are not though. Infact you defended people from the south of Ireland with such blood lust that they would join the British Army. So leave off the hypocrisy.

Everyone know the boys with bloodlust in the south join Marians pals in the IRA.

SoulandForm

pablomakaveli wrote: »

Everyone know the boys with bloodlust in the south join Marians pals in the IRA.

How many people has British Imperialism murdered in the twenty years compared to physical force Irish Republicanism? If people want to sate blood lust they know where to go.

If I was a little girl again and in the Ardoyne I would be cheering on the dissoes.

Why do people like you and gallag want the troubles back? Was it not horrific enough the last time around?

pablomakaveli

SoulandForm wrote: »

How many people has British Imperialism murdered in the twenty years compared to physical force Irish Republicanism? If people want to sate blood lust they know where to go.

If I was a little girl again and in the Ardoyne I would be cheering on the dissoes.

Why do people like you and gallag want the troubles back? Was it not horrific enough the last time around?

Are you having a laugh?

People like you who want dissidents released onto the streets, dissidents like Marian Price, are the people who want the troubles to kick off again. The dissidents are the only ones trying to drag the North back into the Troubles again.