Slow drivers.

duckman!!

No, they're fine

af_thefragile wrote: »

I hate the overtake lane hoggers.

People who clearly have never bothered reading the rules of the road and just sit there in the overtake lane of a motorway doing 80-100kmph like some sort of RSA sponsored speed restrictor... Y U NO PULL OVER?!?!?!!!!!

and when they finally do they flash the lights at u for driving close behind them!!!!!!!!!!

DaveyDave

No, they're fine

I can't believe the amount of people here supporting slow drivers, it doesn't JUST effect "hot headed" drivers. I don't drive myself, but as a passenger it's just as easy to observe. The kind of people who are slow drivers are unsafe to other road users, to be stereotypical I'm talking old grannies hunched up over the wheel and learner foreigners who don't seem to know where they are. They can't drive full stop and are a danger to everyone around them. You can disagree with me all you want but if you know who I'm talking about you'll agree with me.

And I know I'm going to sound like an arsehole but that's how it is, people in that slow category, usually with L plates, can't drive and never will be able to drive. There's new drivers who are getting a feel for driving who will eventually be able to handle themselves and there's the "slow" drivers who will never get out of that habit. The same kind of "slow" drivers also seem to be unable to indicate or even turn their lights on at night. It's ridiculous people are allowed on the road without taking a driving test.

Solair

I was just driving on some N roads through the Burren that were signed 100km/h.

If you tried 100 you'd end up in the Burren (most likely upside down!)

I agree though, its totally infuriating to be stuck behind someome going slow for no reason where road conditions permit 80 or 100

Gee_G

Yes,slow, inconsiderate drivers anger me! Very slow drivers are just as bloody dangerous on the road as speed demons in my opinion. More times I have nearly rear ended some body after coming around a corner and there they are pottering along at like 30mph!!

Now I'm not a fast driver by any means either. But when a person drives up my ass, swerving in and out on the road,trying to intimidate me into pulling in to let them by, not a chance!

McDermotX

All things being equal, if its even possible with this argument, I think the hasty, impatient, aggressive drivers on our roads are probably a bigger problem than drivers not 'maxxing out' the speed limit of the road they're on.

That's not to say both types cannot be a danger on our roads, but over the years, one type certainly display more bad habits than the other IMO.

Jester252

They are a hindrance, yes I hate them

Was car five out of eight in a train caused by an L plater going 50 in a 100. To top it all any car come towards her caused her to slam on the brakes to a stop. Had one hell on a pain in my neck when I got home.

Jester252

No, they're fine

Jester252 wrote: »

Was car five out of eight in a train caused by an L plater going 50 in a 100. To top it all any car come towards her caused her to slam on the brakes to a stop. Had one hell on a pain in my neck when I got home.

We were all learners once - but whoever was with them should have had them step it up or pull over, or not be there in the first place if they weren't ready.
And if they were driving on their own... well.

Montroseee

bluewolf wrote: »

We were all learners once - but whoever was with them should have had them step it up or pull over, or not be there in the first place if they weren't ready.
And if they were driving on their own... well.

Gardai are really clamping down on learners driving alone, heard of many getting a serious warning

Jester252

They are a hindrance, yes I hate them

bluewolf wrote: »

We were all learners once - but whoever was with them should have had them step it up or pull over, or not be there in the first place if they weren't ready.
And if they were driving on their own... well.

She shouldn't be on road. Take her to a car park to get the feel of a car or a proper teacher. I was nervious as hell and I was given a lecture by after my driving test on progress. I can see why
he wanted to teach me that.

Chemical Burn

No, they're fine

You get done for progress in your driving test (run by RSA) and when you're on the fucking road Gay Byrne (Also RSA) tells you to slow down, it's a limit not a target etc ..

talk about mixed fucking messages

morons couldn't run a bath, never mind a safety campaign

StewartGriffin

Chemical Burn wrote: »

Not always possible. Continuous white line. I'd be done for overtaking on one whereas this vermin can continue on at 70-80% of the speed limit unscathed and unpunished.

Nearly always elderly folks. Don't be such; a Bllx. You'll be an old fart yourself some day.;)

Dwork

No, they're fine

Montroseee wrote: »

Gardai are really clamping down on learners driving alone, heard of many getting a serious warning

err..

af_thefragile

Also people somehow seem to have this nothing that a slow driver is a safe driver.

That is not true. Many slow drivers have no clue on how to judge the road situation in advance, they are mostly thinking about whatever is going on in their life, listening to what's on their radio, concentration on what their kids in the backseat are doing etc. than focusing on what's ahead.

I will admit that I drive fast but when I do drive fast, I am totally focused on what's on the road ahead constantly assessing the road and vehicle condition and looking out for any potential hazards or any drivers or pedestrians who may pose a risk and reacting accordingly. I believe that although I drive fairly fast, I am a pretty safe driver because when I drive, my focus is on the road ahead, I maintain good awareness of what's around me, I know my car's abilities and limitations very well and I'm in control of my car at all times.

Driving is not a passive activity that you do to move around the place...

No, they're fine

Well, we probably all think we're safe drivers, but yes, there is a lot to be said for defensive driving. There were a number of people driving happily in the overtaking lane today of the n4 ignoring the signs warning that it was closing up ahead... until they finally got to the giant flashing "lane blocked" arrow and had to quickly cut into the middle lane.
Judging the road ahead and anticipating the likely actions of other drivers on the road is very important

Chemical Burn

No, they're fine

af_thefragile wrote: »

Also people somehow seem to have this nothing that a slow driver is a safe driver.

That is not true. Many slow drivers have no clue on how to judge the road situation in advance, they are mostly thinking about whatever is going on in their life, listening to what's on their radio, concentration on what their kids in the backseat are doing etc. than focusing on what's ahead.

I will admit that I drive fast but when I do drive fast, I am totally focused on what's on the road ahead constantly assessing the road and vehicle condition and looking out for any potential hazards or any drivers or pedestrians who may pose a risk and reacting accordingly. I believe that although I drive fairly fast, I am a pretty safe driver because when I drive, my focus is on the road ahead, I maintain good awareness of what's around me, I know my car's abilities and limitations very well and I'm in control of my car at all times.

Driving is not a passive activity that you do to move around the place...

this .. all of this

Dwork

No, they're fine

The "brakers" really get on my twix. The ones who brake for every slight bend, every oncoming car, every time they "go too fast" and every time their brain flicks back on. Nothing worse than following some slow cnut who touches the brakes every ten seconds. They don't even slow when they brake, they just do it as a comfort blanket. Either drive on to fcuk, or brake. I.E, press that middle pedal hard, stop annoying it with your foot.

StewartGriffin

What gets on my wick is when, coming up these speed camera vans, people think they have to drop down to 50kph!!

Don't really mind slow drivers, they are usually elderly or nervous types, but does annoy me a bit when you've followed them for 10mins at 70kph, then they enter a 50kph zone and continue to sail on a 70kph, thus breaking the speed limit.

bluewolf

bluewolf wrote: »

Well, we probably all think we're safe drivers, but yes, there is a lot to be said for defensive driving. There were a number of people driving happily in the overtaking lane today of the n4 ignoring the signs warning that it was closing up ahead... until they finally got to the giant flashing "lane blocked" arrow and had to quickly cut into the middle lane.
Judging the road ahead and anticipating the likely actions of other drivers on the road is very important

Very much so, I was lucky to anticipate that the twat in the mini was going to turn right at the roundabout from the left lane while I was in the right lane going straight ahead, she went directly into the right hand lane on the roundabout but as I had held back she didn't run into me!

fasttalkerchat

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Shouldn't be on the roads if they are unable to drive at the set speeds.

Totally agree. I received 1 fail point on my driving test for the above. Examiner led me to a dual carriageway which was 40mph but I stayed driving at 30mph. The examiner was right, I was nervous of going faster and hindered all other drivers on the dual carriageway.

There's a fella driving on my route home. If I leave work 2 minutes late, I'm stuck behind him doing 45kmh. He drives at the central line and 8 out of 10 times when I could legally pass him, there is oncoming traffic. Arrrggghhh! The tosspot knows there are cars behind him but hasn't the driving ability nor manners to pull in.

Amirani

Montroseee wrote: »

Gardai are really clamping down on learners driving alone, heard of many getting a serious warning

There really should be mandatory seizure of the car as well as at least 2 penalty points if an L driver is caught driving unaccompanied. Let the licensed owner then pop down to pick up the car with a nice €100 fine waiting for them. Should see an end to the unaccompanied learners then fairly sharpish.

Dwork

Dwork wrote: »

err..

as opposed to a trivial one

roroliam

Chemical Burn wrote: »

They're pure scum. A whole other species. I hate them. They hinder normal people from going about their daily business. They are a vermin. They drive 80 kph on a 120 road and 40 kph on 80 roads. They should hand in their licenses and stop. Full stop. I hate them.

But I'll still drive in the middle lane.

StewartGriffin

StewartGriffin wrote: »

What gets on my wick is when, coming up these speed camera vans, people think they have to drop down to 50kph!!
.

Hit the anchors! look for limit sign! check speed! avoid ticket! check!!!!

Let them know that you've clocked them!

af_thefragile

NiallSparky wrote: »

There really should be mandatory seizure of the car as well as at least 2 penalty points if an L driver is caught driving unaccompanied. Let the licensed owner then pop down to pick up the car with a nice €100 fine waiting for them. Should see an end to the unaccompanied learners then fairly sharpish.

I drove unaccompanied as an L driver. It was mostly out of necessity than anything as most times I didn't have anyone to accompany me and only driving while getting lessons or with my one friend who had a full license wasn't enough for me to practice on my own to gain the necessary experience and skill to be able to pass my test.

But then I only drove around my neighbourhood while unaccompanied and never went too far from my home sticking to "safe" roads around my estate where I knew I wouldn't get stopped.

womandriver

FGR wrote: »

I have no problem with slow drivers once they realise that the hard shoulder may be used to allow others to overtake safely. What bothers me are those who sit on top of the white line as if setting an example for those behind them.

I wouldn't be driving on the hard should to allow someone to overtake me. What happens when you meet somebody walking there or a broken down car ? If you can't over take on a stretch of road without requiring someone to drive on the hard shoulder , then you shouldn't be over taking on that stretch.

womandriver

womandriver wrote: »

I wouldn't be driving on the hard should to allow someone to overtake me. What happens when you meet somebody walking there or a broken down car ? If you can't over take on a stretch of road without requiring someone to drive on the hard shoulder , then you shouldn't be over taking on that stretch.

If you're on a straight stretch of road, you would see a pedestrian or vehicle. I wouldn't pull in to the left when approaching a bend but would wait till safe to do so. This is when you can differentiate between the good and bad fast drivers. The good drivers will think of what's ahead too and wait till it is safe to pass also. The bad driver will either tailgate or overtake on the blind.

Chemical Burn

No, they're fine

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

If you're on a straight stretch of road, you would see a pedestrian or vehicle. I wouldn't pull in to the left when approaching a bend but would wait till safe to do so. This is when you can differentiate between the good and bad fast drivers. The good drivers will think of what's ahead too and wait till it is safe to pass also. The bad driver will either tailgate or overtake on the blind.

this, all of this

Who keeps messing with my poll .. mods, please delete all the other crap or just add proper options

womandriver

womandriver wrote: »

I wouldn't be driving on the hard should to allow someone to overtake me. What happens when you meet somebody walking there or a broken down car ? If you can't over take on a stretch of road without requiring someone to drive on the hard shoulder , then you shouldn't be over taking on that stretch.

Moving into the hard shoulder to allow overtaking is just like any other action on the road, you have the responsibility to do it safely and it's your fault if you cause a crash by pulling in in the wrong place. But most of the hard shoulder is perfect for pulling in to allow faster vehicles to pass, so use it!

womandriver

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

If you're on a straight stretch of road, you would see a pedestrian or vehicle. I wouldn't pull in to the left when approaching a bend but would wait till safe to do so. This is when you can differentiate between the good and bad fast drivers. The good drivers will think of what's ahead too and wait till it is safe to pass also. The bad driver will either tailgate or overtake on the blind.

In the day light hours you probably will see them but not an unlit person/car at night. I have often seen cars pull out of side roads on to the hard shoulder without stopping, with intention of merging with traffic. As careful as you maybe be, there's no accounting for actions of others. The hard shoulder isn't a safe place to be driving.

It isn't for driving in but it can be used to pull into slightly so that others could pass.

I think pulling out of a side road and into the hard shoulder is very dangerous and they are definitely not aware of their surroundings if there is traffic already on the main road. The driver on the main road doesn't know what the side road driver is thinking.