'Dog attack' girl found dead in Atherton house

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-21321953

A 14-year-old girl has been found dead at a house where a number of dogs were "out of control".
Jade Anderson's body was discovered by police at a property in Atherton, near Wigan, at about 14:00 GMT after someone saw the girl unconscious in the house.
Police have not established the cause of death but said her injuries were "consistent with having been attacked by dogs". Four of the dogs were killed.
Jade did not live at the Chaucer Grove home and was thought to be visiting.

Poor girl, just visiting and got killed by the dogs, where was the owner?

Pumpkinseeds

Sweet jesus, what an awful way to die. Poor kid.

Fr_Dougal

Staffies and bull mastiffs...something strange with this one, those breeds are family dogs with great temperaments.

RIP

FoxyVixen

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Staffies and bull mastiffs...something strange with this one, those breeds are family dogs with great temperaments.

RIP

Not when in the wrong hands unfortunately. Most likely unsocialised animals with no training at all.

steddyeddy

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

Staffies and bull mastiffs...something strange with this one, those breeds are family dogs with great temperaments.

RIP

Nothing strange at all about it.

Fox_In_Socks

steddyeddy wrote: »

Nothing strange at all about it.

There we go.

The dog fanciers will be on here now, giving out. Can you handle it, eddy? CAN YOU?:pac:

MagicMarker

steddyeddy wrote: »

Nothing strange at all about it.

Being killed by dogs a common occurrence is it?

arybvtcw0eolkf

Well regardless of the breed, dogs are pack animals and will attack as a pack.

Poor sweet heart, may she rest in peace.

1ZRed

Fukin hell!

Like a scene out of Django ffs! :eek:

Lapin

That poor girl joins a long list of many others who have met with a similar fate.


Early indications were two of the dogs put down were bull mastiffs and two may be Staffordshire bull terriers, officers said.

These breeds of dogs have absolutely use whatsoever apart from stroking the egos of their muppet owners.

I'm sick of hearing stories like this where innocent people are attacked and killed.

They should all be put down alongside a good proportion of their owners who treat them like toys.

No need for dogs like this at all to be kept as pets.

There are tamer animals kept in cages in the zoo.

Ella

Are those dogs not banned in the UK?

Poor girl

DrumSteve

Lapin wrote: »

That poor girl joins a long list of many others who have met with a similar fate.


Early indications were two of the dogs put down were bull mastiffs and two may be Staffordshire bull terriers, officers said.

These breeds of dogs have absolutely use whatsoever apart from stroking the egos of their muppet owners.

I'm sick of hearing stories like this where innocent people are attacked and killed.

They should all be put down alongside a good proportion of their owners who treat them like toys.

No need for dogs like this at all to be kept as pets.

There are tamer animals kept in cages in the zoo.

Slight overreaction there chief.

A dog is generally only as bad as its owner (any type of dog).

FoxyVixen

Pitbulls are illegal in he UK, not mastiffs or Staffies.

Hope the owners get held responsible for this.

ziggy23

Poor girl. The owners need to be held responsible.

Logical_Bear

Lapin wrote: »

That poor girl joins a long list of many others who have met with a similar fate.


Early indications were two of the dogs put down were bull mastiffs and two may be Staffordshire bull terriers, officers said.

These breeds of dogs have absolutely use whatsoever apart from stroking the egos of their muppet owners.

I'm sick of hearing stories like this where innocent people are attacked and killed.

They should all be put down alongside a good proportion of their owners who treat them like toys.

No need for dogs like this at all to be kept as pets.

There are tamer animals kept in cages in the zoo.

lol

thats a very long post for a trolling effort I have to say

Dozen Wicked Words

DrumSteve wrote: »

Slight overreaction there chief.

A dog is generally only as bad as its owner (any type of dog).

The only problem being the dogs in question have the tools to do more harm than the average dog, and are more likely to be owned by morons.

Ella

Ella wrote: »

Are those dogs not banned in the UK?

Poor girl

Pit bull terriers are banned but these breeds although similar are not.

Paddy Cow

What a horrendous way to die :eek: The poor girl must have been terrified

It's a strange story. She didn't live there and was visiting so where were the owners? If an adult left her there with five aggressive dogs then they have to take some responsibility. Normal dogs don't turn that aggressive in a short space of time.

DrumSteve

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

The only problem being the dogs in question have the tools to do more harm than the average dog, and are more likely to be owned by morons.

So we should wipe them out? I know a couple of people with both Staffies and Pitbulls and they are real nice dogs when raised correctly.

Dozen Wicked Words

DrumSteve wrote: »

So we should wipe them out? I know a couple of people with both Staffies and Pitbulls and they are real nice dogs when raised correctly.

I didn't say we should wipe them out did I, so no, we shouldn't wipe them out. I am saying the breeds have the musculature, strength and power to make them more dangerous than the average dog. So attacks by these dogs are more likely to result in more serious injury. Tighter controls are needed on more breeds. A poorly raised small dog is not going to be able to inflict the injuries on people and other animals that certain breeds can.

Cavehill Red

I've always wondered why, since dog owners insist that all manner of potentially dangerous breeds are only dangerous in the wrong ownership, isn't the law changed to consider dogs as offensive weapons?
In that case, the 'owner' of these dogs would be facing a murder charge.
If people were held responsible for the actions of the animals THEY choose to feed and keep, perhaps there'd be fewer 'irresponsible' owners of dangerous breeds.

Lapin

DrumSteve wrote: »

Slight overreaction there chief.

A dog is generally only as bad as its owner (any type of dog).

That simply isn't true. Some breeds of dog are inherently more hostile than others.

Its illegal to keep a pet cheetah unrestrained but not to keep a far more dangerous bullmastiff.
I've never heard a cat lover complaining about not being allowed to keep a cheetah.

Logical_Bear wrote: »

lol

thats a very long post for a trolling effort I have to say

No no, don't come here that cheap shít. I meant every word I said and I'd never make light of a situation where a young girl has just lost her life.

Sulla Felix

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

The only problem being the dogs in question have the tools to do more harm than the average dog, and are more likely to be owned by morons.

Not really. Give the stupid prick owner 5 labradors instead of 5 staffies and theirs every chance the same thing would have happened.

wolfpawnat

And the sensationalism strikes again, before it was Rotties, then German Shepards, for a while it was Boxers and now it is the turn of the Staffs and Mastiffs. ANY dog is vicious if not trained and controlled correctly, from the Chihuahua to the Great Dane.

On topic, poor girl. The people "in charge" of those dogs need to be taken out and savaged. What a terrifying last few minutes of life!

Dozen Wicked Words

wolfpawnat wrote: »

And the sensationalism strikes again, before it was Rotties, then German Shepards, for a while it was Boxers and now it is the turn of the Staffs and Mastiffs. ANY dog is vicious if not trained and controlled correctly, from the Chihuahua to the Great Dane.

On topic, poor girl. The people "in charge" of those dogs need to be taken out and savaged. What a terrifying last few minutes of life!

Its "their turn" because they have killed someone, if and when chihuahua or great dane kill I presume it will be "their turn". My point is that of course a dog if trained badly or mistreated can be vicious, but not all dogs have the same inherent power that the dogs in this attack have.

blacklilly

Such a sad story, rip to the young girl, truely horrendous.
As someone who has owned dogs all my life (typically non aggressive breeds) and lucky enough never to have had a bad experience with them, I am still very cautious when children in particular are around them. I've a Springer the last 10 year's, she's never showed any aggression towards a human but I never ever take a chance with her while my nephew or any child is around her. Even the most trust worthy dogs can become jealous in a spilt second. I'm not saying this is what has happened in this case but dog owners need to be more responsible and acknowledge the danger that can occur. All too often dog owners become too realiant on their perceived temperament of their dogs.

nocoverart

Staffs really aren't a bad dog once in the correct hands. I think the issue here is obviously a bad owner and the amount of dogs under one roof. Them dogs probably never seen the light of day. Tragic that a young girl is the victim of a mindless, negligent owner. Poor girl!

wolfpawnat

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

Its "their turn" because they have killed someone, if and when chihuahua or great dane kill I presume it will be "their turn". My point is that of course a dog if trained badly or mistreated can be vicious, but not all dogs have the same inherent power that the dogs in this attack have.

A staff is far smaller than a labrador and a retriever, they are the breed that had the nickname the Nanny Dog because of their fantastic temperament with children. Mastiffs are slower lumbering breeds, the biggest issue with them is them running into you. Blame those holding the lead, not those on the end of it!

And for those saying a lab/golden retriever will not kill http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/dog-killed-2-month-old-baby-ripped-child-legs-father-slept-room-police-article-1.1065711

and another
http://www.examiner.com/article/labrador-shot-and-killed-after-attacking-toddler-maine

and another
http://www.ibtimes.com/family-dog-kills-2-week-old-baby-309168#

sure lets add another
http://kgarcia1113.hubpages.com/hub/Labrador-Retriever-Mix-Dog-Kills-Baby

and one more for good measure
http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/574589-black-labrador-bites-newborn-baby-to-death-in-bangkok/

yet these breeds are seen as an ideal family pet. Now I am not raging a war on the Labrador, but they seem just as likely to turn, but do not get the bad press to the same extent, or get the "Sure that's only one bad apple" when they do. Why not these breeds too.

Logical_Bear

Lapin wrote: »

That simply isn't true. Some breeds of dog are inherently more hostile than others.

Its illegal to keep a pet cheetah unrestrained but not to keep a far more dangerous bullmastiff.
I've never heard a cat lover complaining about not being allowed to keep a cheetah.



No no, don't come here that cheap shít. I meant every word I said and I'd never make light of a situation where a young girl has just lost her life.

its not cheap sh1t.You post clueless,knee jerk bolloxology that might get POTD on the daily mail forums and nowhere else.

What,if anything,do you know about staffordshire bull terriers?
My parents have had them as pets/bred them for over 40 years.There's been 3 generations of kids in the house and guess what?No maulings.none.nada.zip(running out of words here..) which is strange for an apparrently vicious breed of dog you and the other kneejerkers that pollute AH threads seem to think they are.

Cant comment on bull mastiffs,but the way dogs are raised and treated play a BIG part in the way they behave around people and other pets.

Even 'fighting dogs' like pitbulls and so-called ban dogs go through horrific training to fight..their bad traits are brought to the fore on purpose.Google it if ye can be bothered

Having said that some dogs are better 'family' pets than others.

Cupcake_Crisis

My heart goes out to that poor girl and her family, no doubt it was a horrific way to go. I wonder at what stage people will start questioning the owners and treatment of animals, and not the animals themselves.

garv123

5 of most mid sized dogs would have done the same damage in this situation..

5 sheep dogs or springers could have easily knocked over the girl and attacked and killed her..

Blaming it on the dogs because they're a large breed is stupid.

Blame the owner..

RIP.

Cupcake_Crisis

Any dog that has been abused or ill treated has the potential to snap, not just breeds that 'look dangerous'. Nobody knows the conditions these dogs were kept in.

wolfpawnat

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Any dog that has been abused or ill treated has the potential to snap, not just breeds that 'look dangerous'. Nobody knows the conditions these dogs were kept in.

At least two staffs (an energetic breed) and two mastiffs (two large dogs) in one house, you can imagine the poor things weren't well looked after!

Dozen Wicked Words

Okay, so not going to win the argument here as a staffy or a mastiff apparently aren't more muscular and more powerful than Labrador/Retriever, that has been totally imagined. They also aren't breeds which young men with too much testosterone and not enough brain cells are more likely to own and train incorrectly. These young men choose this kind of dog for their lovely eye colour and their glossy coats.

garv123

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

Okay, so not going to win the argument here as a staffy or a mastiff apparently aren't more muscular and more powerful than Labrador/Retriever, that has been totally imagined. They also aren't breeds which young men with too much testosterone and not enough brain cells are more likely to own and train incorrectly. These young men choose this kind of dog for their lovely eye colour and their glossy coats.

The muscle of the dog made no difference here.. there was 5 of them and 5 mid sized dogs could kill a 14 year old girl..

Most of the young men go for pitbulls not mastiffs. Mastiffs are gentle giants the majority of the time.

Cupcake_Crisis

wolfpawnat wrote: »

At least two staffs (an energetic breed) and two mastiffs (two large dogs) in one house, you can imagine the poor things weren't well looked after!

I'd say there's a lot more to this story than meets the eye. The sad part is there will be thousands of placid, well trained Staffies and Mastiffs put down out of fear because of this. It's very , very tragic, but i'd nearly bet my house that it was entirely preventable.

wolfpawnat

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

Okay, so not going to win the argument here as a staffy or a mastiff apparently aren't more muscular and more powerful than Labrador/Retriever, that has been totally imagined. They also aren't breeds which young men with too much testosterone and not enough brain cells are more likely to own and train incorrectly. These young men choose this kind of dog for their lovely eye colour and their glossy coats.

Have you walked a staff and a lab? They both are well able to pull. But hell so is my uncles JRT who is tiny and he would nearly pull a sled!

We are all saying here it is idiotic men and women with single figure IQ's that are the reason this breed has a bad name with their "tough pit bull like" features, but a Pitty and a Staff are not the same breed, only related. And Pits in the right hands are a great dog, just not recommended for young families like their staffie cousin.

Mastiffs aren't even muscular, they are just lumbering, seriously, I have never met a breed more likely to bowl you over just walking lazily. I rather see one of them trudging towards me than a hyper collie or lab!

wolfpawnat

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

I'd say there's a lot more to this story than meets the eye. The sad part is there will be thousands of placid, well trained Staffies and Mastiffs put down out of fear because of this. It's very , very tragic, but i'd nearly bet my house that it was entirely preventable.

I used walk my neighbours staff while also with my 3yo in a buggy, people thought I was insane, "it'll savage him" we used also mind the dog when the owner was away, seriously, the most dangerous think the fella ever did was sit near my son at meal times in hope of a dropped bit of spud, never once was a bad dog, well trained and a total sweetie. They had to rehome him and if I wasn't pregnant I would have snapped him up in seconds!!!!

But sure, what good is talking about the millions of good dogs when so many are willing to condemn them for the actions of few! Some dogs are just bad eggs, others are made that way by circumstance, but lets not let fact get in the way of a bit of sensationalism now shall we?:rolleyes:

Cupcake_Crisis

wolfpawnat wrote: »

I used walk my neighbours staff while also with my 3yo in a buggy, people thought I was insane, "it'll savage him" we used also mind the dog when the owner was away, seriously, the most dangerous think the fella ever did was sit near my son at meal times in hope of a dropped bit of spud, never once was a bad dog, well trained and a total sweetie. They had to rehome him and if I wasn't pregnant I would have snapped him up in seconds!!!!

But sure, what good is talking about the millions of good dogs when so many are willing to condemn them for the actions of few! Some dogs are just bad eggs, others are made that way by circumstance, but lets not let fact get in the way of a bit of sensationalism now shall we?:rolleyes:

A neighbour of mine has a Staffie, i walk him with my two dogs all the time, an absolute gem of a dog. I'd go as far as saying he's friendlier and more patient with kids than my female bichon, and no one would blink an eye at a bichon sitting beside a child.

starlings

Logical_Bear wrote: »

its not cheap sh1t.You post clueless,knee jerk bolloxology that might get POTD on the daily mail forums and nowhere else.

What,if anything,do you know about staffordshire bull terriers?
My parents have had them as pets/bred them for over 40 years.There's been 3 generations of kids in the house and guess what?No maulings.none.nada.zip(running out of words here..) which is strange for an apparrently vicious breed of dog you and the other kneejerkers that pollute AH threads seem to think they are.

Cant comment on bull mastiffs,but the way dogs are raised and treated play a BIG part in the way they behave around people and other pets.

Even 'fighting dogs' like pitbulls and so-called ban dogs go through horrific training to fight..their bad traits are brought to the fore on purpose.Google it if ye can be bothered

Having said that some dogs are better 'family' pets than others.

I can see why you'd be defensive about the dogs you had as pets growing up, but unfortunately all I know about these dogs is that I see them snarling on the leashes of people who seem to use them as a scobe-mascot, so I have the opposite prejudice.

I never had dogs as a child, but I grew up in a rural area and was taught how to "introduce myself" to them properly, and how to recognise when they were friendly and what to do if they were not. This went for the working sheepdogs and the oul peata who'd follow you home from school. Seems lots of people are brought up, unlike us, not knowing that dogs are not toys.

Cupcake_Crisis

starlings wrote: »

I can see why you'd be defensive about the dogs you had as pets growing up, but unfortunately all I know about these dogs is that I see them snarling on the leashes of people who seem to use them as a scobe-mascot, so I have the opposite prejudice.

Unlike us, a dog can't chose what's on the end of it's leash. If you looked a bit further afield you'd see that the one's snarling are very much in the minority.

Icyseanfitz

Dozen Wicked Words wrote: »

Its "their turn" because they have killed someone, if and when chihuahua or great dane kill I presume it will be "their turn". My point is that of course a dog if trained badly or mistreated can be vicious, but not all dogs have the same inherent power that the dogs in this attack have.

all dogs are potentially lethal when in a pack, doesnt matter if its a terrier or an irish wolfhound,
its all in how you raise the dog and treat it nothing at all to do with specific breed, the owners of these animals clearly did a piss poor job

RIP to the poor kid, horrible way to go id imagine

wolfpawnat

starlings wrote: »

I can see why you'd be defensive about the dogs you had as pets growing up, but unfortunately all I know about these dogs is that I see them snarling on the leashes of people who seem to use them as a scobe-mascot, so I have the opposite prejudice..

I have to ask, where are you living? I have never seen a snarling Staff or mastiff. And I have seen many of them and am living in anything but the classiest area of Dublin.

starlings

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

I'd say there's a lot more to this story than meets the eye. The sad part is there will be thousands of placid, well trained Staffies and Mastiffs put down out of fear because of this. It's very , very tragic, but i'd nearly bet my house that it was entirely preventable.

absolutely preventable. Horrible thing to happen, and that picture of her sweet face in the link is heartbreaking.

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Unlike us, a dog can't chose what's on the end of it's leash. If you looked a bit further afield you'd see that the one's snarling are very much in the minority.

I blame the snarling on the owner, of course, but I'm still wary of the snarling dog. I'm not really a "dog person" so I take each one as it is. If anything, I favour bigger dogs as the hyper little breeds annoy me.

starlings

wolfpawnat wrote: »

I have to ask, where are you living? I have never seen a snarling Staff or mastiff. And I have seen many of them and am living in anything but the classiest area of Dublin.

I'm going to have to do a quick google here!

The types I was referring to are stocky and have big jaws, but the main point is that they are being yanked around town by people who are trying to look tough.

I'd rather not say where I live.

garv123

starlings wrote: »

I'm going to have to do a quick google here!

The types I was referring to are stocky and have big jaws, but the main point is that they are being yanked around town by people who are trying to look tough.

I'd rather not say where I live.

pitbull?

wolfpawnat

starlings wrote: »

I'm going to have to do a quick google here!

The types I was referring to are stocky and have big jaws, but the main point is that they are being yanked around town by people who are trying to look tough.

I'd rather not say where I live.

There are a few mastiffs
the napoleon
https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQiF4En1kP5hOgeA7-jKCTU2f1byjgtL_uh-fQb4AB7q9vbb9DOLQ

the dogue des bordeaux
http://www.animalinelmondo.com/images/cane/dogue%20de%20bordeaux.jpg

the bull mastiff
https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTy0Ei0vYEQGIJHpv4vr5maz8zuNpg988VHcBfHUTLr6Bi5tFTL6Q

these are the three main types of mastiff you'll see around

Also Staff's and Pits are very similar in appearance, it is really in their height and smaller differences that tell them apart
the Pit Bull
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7dgpfhjQ36M/TJZTv9Tb7eI/AAAAAAAAAA4/UPzgxieeHZ0/s1600/CesarPSA3.jpg

and the staff
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Tgjq0eKmvJg/TVQFi3sVJGI/AAAAAAAAB5I/ZTmFZQHoiBI/s1600/Staffordshire+Bull+Terriers.jpg

the latter are more short and stock.

Fair enough about the living thing, but can I ask are you in a city, town or rural area?

starlings

garv123 wrote: »

pitbull?

I've been googling images and a few breeds mentioned on the thread are like the ones I have seen. But as I've said, I'm not a "dog person" and I don't want to offend any owners of particular breeds because I don't have a clue.

My point is that bad treatment of the particular dogs I have seen has made me wary of them. It's not entirely irrational to be wary if you've been snapped at, but it would be irrational to think that the whole breed is bad.

Wibbs

blacklilly wrote: »

Such a sad story, rip to the young girl, truely horrendous.
As someone who has owned dogs all my life (typically non aggressive breeds) and lucky enough never to have had a bad experience with them, I am still very cautious when children in particular are around them. I've a Springer the last 10 year's, she's never showed any aggression towards a human but I never ever take a chance with her while my nephew or any child is around her. Even the most trust worthy dogs can become jealous in a spilt second. I'm not saying this is what has happened in this case but dog owners need to be more responsible and acknowledge the danger that can occur. All too often dog owners become too realiant on their perceived temperament of their dogs.

This in a big way.

Now just IMHO, some breeds can be more potentially dangerous. Breeds with a high prey drive for example are more likely to see a child or someone they see as weaker as a potential target given the right, or wrong circumstances and upbringing/socialisation. Breeds with stronger resource guarding/aggression another possible issue. That said there is an awful lot of dodgy thinking around some of the "dangerous" breeds. Like has been said this can go in cycles where a breed or breeds are singled out as being "bad". "Pitbulls" and Staffies etc a good example. Labrador bites someone? Barely registers. Staffie does and it's all over the daily mail. People love to have villains and good guys. It makes it all so black and white and comforting. Look at the current dangerous/restricted dogs list. German shepherds are on it, yet go back a generation or so and they were commonly used as guide dogs for the blind. Pitties and Staffies generally don't have a high prey drive. Many of the "cute" and "safe" breeds do. They're generally less resource guarding too, but let's not get that in the way of a headline.

Personally? I'd generally trust a staffie around kids before I'd trust a "family friendly" retriever(and nothing wrong with them BTW). Either way it's much more about the owner IMH and like blacklilly said you can't make assumptions about any dog, pedigree or mutt. Give a dickhead(and they're usually male) a poodle and you'll have trouble. Give a responsible owner a rottie and you won't. People forget that dogs are an apex predator, just like us. That's why we were such a great fit all those thousands of years ago. Your pekingese deviates from a wolf in their genetics by a tiny amount(luckily in a good way). TBH I'm surprised how few cases like this tragic one occur.

And it is very tragic. Terrible terrible event. RIP to that poor young woman.

steddyeddy

I think the problem with The Staffordshire Bull Terrier paradoxically lies in their suitability as pet. If trained for aggression they will go out of their way to please and as a result could potentially make more aggressive dogs in the wrong hands.

They were originally bred for pit fighting so I would find it hard to believe they still haven't got a stronger tendency towards increased aggression in the wrong hands.

I think another problem that's overlooked is a person's nervousness around a dog. I'm sure there have been instances where a dog picked up on that and mistook it for aggression and maybe acted out on it.

The final point I wanted to make is that I think some owners might not be purposely encouraging violence in their dog but some are extremely naive about their dogs eg leaving a dog with kids that the dog doesn't know or not properly socializing their dogs.

Icyseanfitz

you can make any dog aggressive, beat and abuse them enough and a nice family retriever can become a killer.

look at this for instance, a lovely lab who any non dog person would think is a 100 times safer than a pit, but it isnt