Proud to be from where you come from

Leftist

How far does your pride go?

We've got some people here who are proud of their county, then after that, their country.
Are you proud to be european or does it only go so far as national borders?
If you are proud to be european, are you proud to be human? we've done a hell of a lot more in our time than cows.

How many of you, who are proud to be irish, are aware of what it is like to be another nationality?

There are many of you who will claim we are in a far better position than Africans. But wouldn't it be more specific to compare continent to continent in that respect?

racso1975

You lost me at hello

Mr Benevolent

Another proud to be Irish thread. Haven't had one of those in a while. FWIW, patriotism is illogical. Nobody chose to be born in their country.

LaminatorSGL

Why be proud of something that is out of your control? Being born somewhere, or having parents of the same nationality is happenstance.

Defeating the giant monkey man and saving the 9th dimension? Now that's pride inducing.

Leftist

Confab wrote: »

Another proud to be Irish thread. Haven't had one of those in a while. FWIW, patriotism is illogical. Nobody chose to be born in their country.

fwiw, that's my kind of my point. I despise this 'proud to be from the only place I know' sh!t.

conorhal

Confab wrote: »

Another proud to be Irish thread. Haven't had one of those in a while. FWIW, patriotism is illogical. Nobody chose to be born in their country.

That's a bit like saying loving your parents is illogical, after all nobody chose ot be born into their family.

Links234

I'm not proud exactly, just lucky I was born where I was instead of any other place on earth

Sauve

This pesto is AMAZING.

Three Seasons

conorhal wrote: »

That's a bit like saying loving your parents is illogical, after all nobody chose ot be born into their family.

It's not really. Pride is about feeling good for some sort of accomplishment. Being born somewhere isn't an accomplishment. It's the luck of the draw. You can't really say you are proud you won a raffle.

SNORBEAST

http://www.collegehumor.com/picture/4066450/****-iran

Kylo Ren

Sauve wrote: »

This pesto is AMAZING.

Would you say you were proud of it?

spankysue

I'm an Earthling and proud of it

Yitzhak Rabin

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."

-Albert Einstein


But then again Albert obviously never attended an impassioned game of rugby, such as the time Ireland kicked the English around Croke Park.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS4AfMflkOk

Rasheed

I'm proud of my parish, my county and my country and feel lucky that I was born where I was.

I know I've no control over it but I'm proud none the less. Can't help it.

Mint Sauce

Very proud.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t676x0SyIq0

Leftist

conorhal wrote: »

That's a bit like saying loving your parents is illogical, after all nobody chose ot be born into their family.

Really? your country raises you and takes care of you like your parents? you have a similar relationship?

either you have got very lucky with our government and it's welfare or your parents are really cold and distant.

Links234 wrote: »

I'm not proud exactly, just lucky I was born where I was instead of any other place on earth

Joke?

LizT

I won a Nobel peace prize last year because of where I'm from :cool:

bonnieprince

I am proud of myself for not getting caught up in Nationalistic fervour (except when it comes to Rugby).

Sauve

Keno 92 wrote: »

Would you say you were proud of it?

Nah I don't live in it, I'm just ate'in it...

Sergeant

I cry huge blubbery tears of joy and pride into my pint of Bulmers any time a Wolfe Tones song comes on.

Icyseanfitz

im proud of being human (most of the time until i read some of the **** people get up to) as its an accomplishment in itself that we even exist,

i also love ireland (the country not the fcuk wits that run it) as it is a beautiful country when we get a bit of sun

hooradiation

conorhal wrote: »

That's a bit like saying loving your parents is illogical, after all nobody chose ot be born into their family.

We're pretty much hardwired to give unconditional love to our parents, which is about the only reason throwing the baby out with the bathwater is a euphemism rather than a common occurrence. It's irrational, but useful. Unless you imagine there is a surplus of she-wolves looking to have a part in founding the new Rome.

The arbitrary border inside which the latitude and longitude that you were unceremoniously shoved into this world is located are altogether more abstract concept.

Leftist

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

im proud of being human (most of the time until i read some of the **** people get up to) as its an accomplishment in itself that we even exist,

i also love ireland (the country not the fcuk wits that run it) as it is a beautiful country when we get a bit of sun

wow.

conorhal

Three Seasons wrote: »

It's not really. Pride is about feeling good for some sort of accomplishment. Being born somewhere isn't an accomplishment. It's the luck of the draw. You can't really say you are proud you won a raffle.

You'd do well in Irish politics.....

conorhal

hooradiation wrote: »

We're pretty much hardwired to give unconditional love to our parents, which is about the only reason throwing the baby out with the bathwater is a euphemism rather than a common occurrence. It's irrational, but useful. Unless you imagine there is a surplus of she-wolves looking to have a part in founding the new Rome.

The arbitrary border inside which the latitude and longitude that you were unceremoniously shoved into this world is located is altogether more abstract concept.

I'd say the same about nation's. Human being's are hardwired social animals, genetic affiliation and tribal association are universally characteristic, the building blocks of any society which requires interdependence. There is of course the social cohesion aspect of the equation that is as important to a nation as a family, based on a shared history, an understanding of our past and how it shapes our futures, the odd little quirks we all have.
That said, I'm, less and less proud to be Irish every day, our highly corporatist society has no cohesion any longer which makes if of little benefit to be considered part of it.

I was a very proud Londoner during the Olympics last year.

Not so proud during the London riots.

crockholm

Would you buy bread called "Irish Nonchalance" ????????????????????????????????????????????????

LizT

crockholm wrote: »

Would you buy bread called "Irish Nonchalance" ????????????????????????????????????????????????

No but I wouldn't buy Irish pride either.

Agricola

Proud of inhabiting a non descript rock on the periphery of a landmass that itself didnt exist a few million years ago, and will cease to exist in its current form in another few million years? My god, what infantile flimflam.

What am I but a random collection of atoms anyway? My "existence" is in itself massively meaningless, let alone the consideration of "where" these random hodge podge of particles happens to "exist" on this chunk of space debris we call Earth.

These inane trivialities are beneath me franky.

Yitzhak Rabin

crockholm wrote: »

Would you buy bread called "Irish Nonchalance" ????????????????????????????????????????????????

Take it easy with the question marks there kid. Boards only has a certain amount of them each day.

Lawrence1895

I'm proud of being German. Why not, there are other things than the Third Reich and Angela Merkel

enricoh

too right i am, one of the best days of my life being at croker when we won sam! proud watching irish fans in the stadium b4 euro 2012.
great country run by gimps. only in ireland would it be uncool to be proud where yer from

Hoop66

Lars1916 wrote: »

I'm proud of being German. Why not, there are other things than the Third Reich and Angela Merkel

Like lederhosen and sheisse-videos

conorhal

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I was a very proud Londoner during the Olympics last year.

Not so proud during the London riots.

That's because one was a triumph of culture and communal spirit celebrating a shared pride in it's expression, the other was pretty much a failure of all that and a warning to those that think 'society doesn't matter'.

hooradiation

conorhal wrote: »

I'd say the same about nation's.

There is an upper limit to the number of people you can have any real relationship with, it's about 150.
Ideas of nations falling under the same umbrella as other, smaller groups is wishful thinking.

Wompa1

Confab wrote: »

Another proud to be Irish thread. Haven't had one of those in a while. FWIW, patriotism is illogical. Nobody chose to be born in their country.

LaminatorSGL wrote: »

Why be proud of something that is out of your control? Being born somewhere, or having parents of the same nationality is happenstance.

Defeating the giant monkey man and saving the 9th dimension? Now that's pride inducing.

Three Seasons wrote: »

It's not really. Pride is about feeling good for some sort of accomplishment. Being born somewhere isn't an accomplishment. It's the luck of the draw. You can't really say you are proud you won a raffle.

What about Gay Pride?

Shenshen

I never got why I should be proud of where I come from - how is that an achievement?

Yes, the place I grew up (Germany) has had significant influence on how I see the world these days, but was that my choice? No. It was an accident of birth.

I don't hate the place, don't get me wrong, but I don't understand why I should be proud of it.
I prefer being proud of things I actually influenced or achieved myself.

Shenshen

Wompa1 wrote: »

What about Gay Pride?

I think there's usually a lot of personal and social struggle involved for most of the individuals affected.
So in a way, being openly gay is something people can be proud of.

Nodin

Wompa1 wrote: »

What about Gay Pride?

Is that near Cork?

Wompa1

Shenshen wrote: »

I think there's usually a lot of personal and social struggle involved for most of the individuals affected.
So in a way, being openly gay is something people can be proud of.

Historically there's been a personal and social struggle involved with being Irish too...

Leftist

enricoh wrote: »

too right i am, one of the best days of my life being at croker when we won sam! proud watching irish fans in the stadium b4 euro 2012.
great country run by gimps. only in ireland would it be uncool to be proud where yer from

are you ever proud of someone who doesn't come from your defined group?

Shenshen

Wompa1 wrote: »

Historically there's been a personal and social struggle involved with being Irish too...

Quite. But how many of those posting on here have found it to be a personal and social struggle in their lives?

I would say that once homosexuality is treated as perfectly normal the world over, gay pride will be just as redundant as national pride.

Shenshen

enricoh wrote: »

too right i am, one of the best days of my life being at croker when we won sam! proud watching irish fans in the stadium b4 euro 2012.
great country run by gimps. only in ireland would it be uncool to be proud where yer from

Don't flatter yourself.
It's uncool in lots of places, there's nothing uniquely Irish about it at all.

Hoop66

enricoh wrote: »

only in ireland would it be uncool to be proud where yer from

Brilliant.
So...only in [where you're from] would it be uncool to be proud of [where you're from]. So are you proud of [where you're from] for it being uncool to be proud of [where you're from]?

Wompa1

Shenshen wrote: »

Quite. But how many of those posting on here have found it to be a personal and social struggle in their lives?

I would say that once homosexuality is treated as perfectly normal the world over, gay pride will be just as redundant as national pride.

You think Irish people are accepted the world over? Ever try doing business with the English? Sounds like Australians are getting sick of us. Seems like we're looked down on in the likes of Crete, Tenerife etc. The French just don't like anybody.

The Irish persevered through hell, we have a rich history and culture. Why not take pride in that? You can feel pride, shame or indifference.

If you tell somebody you are gay, you might think they'll jump to conclusions about your character. If you tell somebody you are Irish, you might think they'll jump to conclusions about your character...

Gongoozler

I would've been in the 'why be proud of something you had no hand in?' camp, only now i cant help but think how many people have children that they're proud of,where they've done nothing to contribute to it, or who are proud to be smart, when they had no influence over that? Pride is a weird thing.

It is also a sin, so damn you all to hell!

Shenshen

Wompa1 wrote: »

You think Irish people are accepted the world over? Ever try doing business with the English? Sounds like Australians are getting sick of us. Seems like we're looked down on in the likes of Crete, Tenerife etc. The French just don't like anybody.

The Irish persevered through hell, we have a rich history and culture. Why not take pride in that? You can feel pride, shame or indifference.

If you tell somebody you are gay, you might think they'll jump to conclusions about your character. If you tell somebody you are Irish, you might think they'll jump to conclusions about your character...

So... because some people in other countries are prejudiced against people from your country, you should be proud of what some other people who lived in the same country you now live in did decades and centuries ago?

No, sorry, I don't see the logic.

Pherekydes

Yitzhak Rabin wrote: »

"Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind."

-Albert Einstein


But then again Albert obviously never attended an impassioned game of rugby, such as the time Ireland kicked the English around Croke Park.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS4AfMflkOk

So pride is just about remembering when your side won?

Shenshen

Pherekydes wrote: »

So pride is just about remembering when your side won?

From what I gather, you also need to forget when your side lost. Or when it cheated.

Leftist

Gongoozler wrote: »

I would've been in the 'why be proud of something you had no hand in?' camp, only now i cant help but think how many people have children that they're proud of,where they've done nothing to contribute to it, or who are proud to be smart, when they had no influence over that? Pride is a weird thing.

It is also a sin, so damn you all to hell!

relevant point.

I would argue that your children are your family. Even your friends can be close enough to be family and I can see why you would be proud of them for their achievements.

But what about seamus from a town you've never been to, or even paddy from around the corner, someone you've never conversed with.

They sing at a football match and some people are 'proud' of that. Proud that their teams support has done it's job. So where does that extend to? Does it end at nationality?

Being proud of a group of strangers, whom you don't personally know, is weak minded imo. It's attaching yourself to someone else's achievemnt.

Proud to be irish/any nationality just for the sake of it is weak as ****.

Einhard

Confab wrote: »

Another proud to be Irish thread. Haven't had one of those in a while. FWIW, patriotism is illogical. Nobody chose to be born in their country.

From an evolutionary point of view, patriotism isn't at all illogical. The instinct behind it is what gave us herd mentality so to speak, and played a huge part in our survival and progress to where we are now. Patriotism could be said to be atavistic, in the same way as limb remanents in whales, but it stems from a powerful evolutionary urge, and thus can't be ignored or easily dismissed.I appreciate that it's daft to cheer when someone you've never met wins something in a competition you probably don't even care about, and simply because he or she happens to have been born within the same arbitrary, human-decreed border, but I still get a lump in my throat when the anthem is played before a big match, and I still cheer for the Irish team. The patriotic urge is simply too strong within us to so easily dismiss, and that's why I tend to think that those who do dismiss it, are often doing it because it's a somewhat fashionable trend. I mean- are there really people out there who feel no sense of patriotism or pride in their country. At all? I doubt there's many. And yet, from all the guff spouted in threads like this, you'd swear that patriotism, and that herd instinct, was something that could switched on and off at will.