Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? *READ POST 1*

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LoughNeagh2017 wrote: »

My whole existence is a tale of sexism. If i was born a female i wouldn't be a failure like i am now, i would have had friends at school (female loners didn't exist), I would have had a boyfriend no matter how ugly and socially awkward i was. In regards to work I would probably still be poor but I would have a comfortable office job. Let's face it, it's the best era in human history to be female. Also if you are female people are usually nice to you and if you have mental problems people are more sympathetic to you whereas I honestly believe that society would gladly kill mentally ill low tier men if they could get away with it.

Turn it around pal, some sh/t definitely goes against you that you can't help but you can control a lot yourself, never too late.

iptba

Lorraine Courtney: 'Give your vote to a woman - it's the only way to break the tyranny of mediocre men'

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/lorraine-courtney-give-your-vote-to-a-woman-its-the-only-way-to-break-the-tyranny-of-mediocre-men-38890870.html

I think this would be seen as sexist, if the genders were reversed, and I think the Irish Independent would be unlikely to run such an article:

Lorraine Courtney: 'Give your vote to a man - it's the only way to break the tyranny of mediocre women'

Silentcorner

iptba wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/lorraine-courtney-give-your-vote-to-a-woman-its-the-only-way-to-break-the-tyranny-of-mediocre-men-38890870.html

I think this would be seen as sexist, if the genders were reversed, and I think the Irish Independent would be unlikely to run such an article:

Imagine what it must be like, for an Irish woman, in this day and age,who outspend the men by multiples despite earning less, who receive greater state health and social welfare privileges despite paying less tax, who enjoy a much more lenient justice system, who enjoy a safer society than men, to convince themselves that they are surviving some kind of tyranny....it is moronic!

It's also extremely unhealthy....

Calhoun

Silentcorner wrote: »

Imagine what it must be like, for an Irish woman, in this day and age,who outspend the men by multiples despite earning less, who receive greater state health and social welfare privileges despite paying less tax, who enjoy a much more lenient justice system, who enjoy a safer society than men, to convince themselves that they are surviving some kind of tyranny....it is moronic!

It's also extremely unhealthy....

Its also underselling the value of women themselves, too many of the current lot are their because of quotas and they have no right to be.

Ironic to see the horrible scowl of Ivana in that picture, who is as corrupt as they come, story goes she had to step down from being the TCD Studen union president as she lied about how she was voting to get a woman in against something that was already pre-agreed.

iptba

iptba wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/lorraine-courtney-give-your-vote-to-a-woman-its-the-only-way-to-break-the-tyranny-of-mediocre-men-38890870.html

I think this would be seen as sexist, if the genders were reversed, and I think the Irish Independent would be unlikely to run such an article:

It ends:

So, go out and vote for a woman on February 8 - and another and another and another - right down your ballot paper.

From Twitter:

https://twitter.com/bethlynch2020/status/1220848315316822016?s=11

Sleepy

Had an experience over the weekend that I felt demonstrated my unease with the state of gender politics in Ireland at the moment. On hearing the news that the 3 poor children in Newcastle had been found dead my first thought wasn't "that's awful" it was "please let it have been the mother rather than the father".

It's a horrible reaction to the death of three young children and one I feel bad about and yet... Yet, I know where it comes from. Had the father been the murderer, we'd have months of media articles, reports and feminist agenda pushing about how "toxic masculinity" was to blame for the whole sorry situation. No real empathy, no investigation into how someone so profoundly mentally unstable was left charged with the care of children, no lessons looked for to help avoid (or even reduce) the possibility of the same thing happening again: just a giant media pile-on from those pushing a "feminist" agenda. An agenda, which I genuinely believe is harmful to the metal health of our society and which could actually be a contributing factor to the mental health problems of the next potential perpetrator of family annihilation.

Calhoun

I had a similar conversation with the wife, im waiting for them to pin it on societal pressures or something like that.

Sleepy

And, no doubt, there'll be an element of truth in that.

Let's not behave like the misandrists this thread rails against. Let's be better. Man or woman, no sane parent murders their own children. If something can be identified in the mother's history, psyche or behaviour that was a contributing factor to the psychotic break I can only assume she experienced in order to carry out this crime that's a tiny silver lining that might be taken from this sorry tale.

There's more to be gained for society in trying to understand such behaviour than there is in punishing it. Regardless of the gender of the perpetrator.

CrabRevolution

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Sleepy wrote: »

Had an experience over the weekend that I felt demonstrated my unease with the state of gender politics in Ireland at the moment. On hearing the news that the 3 poor children in Newcastle had been found dead my first thought wasn't "that's awful" it was "please let it have been the mother rather than the father".

It's a horrible reaction to the death of three young children and one I feel bad about and yet... Yet, I know where it comes from. Had the father been the murderer, we'd have months of media articles, reports and feminist agenda pushing about how "toxic masculinity" was to blame for the whole sorry situation. No real empathy, no investigation into how someone so profoundly mentally unstable was left charged with the care of children, no lessons looked for to help avoid (or even reduce) the possibility of the same thing happening again: just a giant media pile-on from those pushing a "feminist" agenda. An agenda, which I genuinely believe is harmful to the metal health of our society and which could actually be a contributing factor to the mental health problems of the next potential perpetrator of family annihilation.

That's what struck me most about the Hawe case. People were actually enraged and driven to expend energy pushing a campaign because they felt that the "wrong" message was being sent out in the wake of the tragedy. The narrative had to be realligned to fit the "He was pure evil, and there's numerous men like him in every locality. Every man you know is a potential murderer" train of thought.

I've no sympathy for Alan Hawe, and no interest in trying to rehabilitate his image or explaining his heinous actions. I'm not calling for "equality of murderers". But it's telling how the same standards won't be applied to this case as to his. The official reactions will be:

1. "God Help the Mother, mental health is a major issue"
2. "How dare you use this to push your men-are-oppressed ideology?!"
3. "It's too soon after the event to touch such a raw subject"(A favourite of pro-gun Republicans in the US after the latest mass shooting. Wait till the story and passions die down before resuming normal service.)

There will be no lashing out in the media against women or mothers, or campaigns to ensure she is only spoken of negatively, and nor should there be. But it's a glaring contrast to cases where men were the murderers.

eviltwin

I think the way someone kills their family has a lot to do with it. Hawe was particularly brutal and violent. I have a hard time feeling sympathy for anyone who can put a hatchet in his wifes face and stab his sons. It also transpired that Has was a controlling man, domestic abuse is a hard sell on the empathy front. I have little sympathy for this woman too, all I can think of is the father of those children and what he must be going through. Maybe when more details emerge that will change but for now the father is the one my thoughts are with.

fits

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MoonUnit75

eviltwin wrote: »

I think the way someone kills their family has a lot to do with it. Hawe was particularly brutal and violent. I have a hard time feeling sympathy for anyone who can put a hatchet in his wifes face and stab his sons. It also transpired that Has was a controlling man, domestic abuse is a hard sell on the empathy front. I have little sympathy for this woman too, all I can think of is the father of those children and what he must be going through. Maybe when more details emerge that will change but for now the father is the one my thoughts are with.

It’s strange how the Hawe story evolved, in the Shannon Side radio interview Clodagh’s sister said there was no physical abuse and that Clodagh and the children had very happy lives. She said they were an extremely close family and if there was anything untoward going on they would certainly have known about it. It really doesn’t sound like they were living under tyranny.

Calhoun

eviltwin wrote: »

I think the way someone kills their family has a lot to do with it. Hawe was particularly brutal and violent. I have a hard time feeling sympathy for anyone who can put a hatchet in his wifes face and stab his sons. It also transpired that Has was a controlling man, domestic abuse is a hard sell on the empathy front. I have little sympathy for this woman too, all I can think of is the father of those children and what he must be going through. Maybe when more details emerge that will change but for now the father is the one my thoughts are with.

I think in this case it's a little more sinister as this was a nurse who did it and if reports are true drugged them.

No matter way society cuts it, it's not and never should be considered a competition and should be reviled no matter who did it.

What it tells us is we have sick people in society but it's not a reflection on certain groupings.

Calhoun

To be fair to the boards staff Hawe when it first broke had very similar treatment to this lady.

It was only after the inquest and the details of the crime came out did people go after him like that.

I think that is fair and the treatment should be universal until more details are forthcoming.

MoonUnit75

Not sure about that. I had a look back at the original thread and it’s huge. By chance I picked page 11 to see how the discussion was going, two days after the news broke and it was heavy on the speculation and psychoanalysis of ‘Demonic Dads’ according to modern doctrines: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057640998&page=11
No consequences for this train of thought despite the mod warnings.

Wibbs

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Calhoun wrote: »

To be fair to the boards staff Hawe when it first broke had very similar treatment to this lady.

It was only after the inquest and the details of the crime came out did people go after him like that.

I think that is fair and the treatment should be universal until more details are forthcoming.

Indeed C, and there's also the legal matter of discussing such a case in speculative terms. No matter how the Hawes case was discussed, I had nada to do with it, but if I see anything daft or speculative here on this case, in this forum it won't go down well.

Calhoun

Agreed completely and i would also requote what sleepy said

Let's not behave like the misandrists this thread rails against. Let's be better. Man or woman, no sane parent murders their own children.

Lets be better.

creditcarder

I dunno, I think fighting fire with fire can work in this regards. Like holding a mirror up to somebody.



Like, if women were being falsely accused/facing absurd exagerated accusations (E.g. I went into his apartment, we were kissing, he touched my boob and I am now a sex assault victing) then it might show how silly it is.

Calhoun

Depends on what you mean exactly and how you would do it. In the case above regarding the recent tragic case, it's all about time and place when you have a wider discussion.

When the shoe was on the other foot, and the Hawe incident was very fresh we saw the same reaction from the mods making sure that people were being respectful.

If you fight fire with fire and immediately jump in , then it can come across as very petty and insincere. Almost like people care about points scoring than the crime that happened. I know that's not always the case but it's why these topics need nuance.

Pawwed Rig

As the mod in question we have limited the information on thread to what has been printed in the media. As a live investigation is underway we cannot allow speculation to run riot on the thread.
As of today there has been noone specifically identified as the perpetrator of these events. It has been indicated in the media but not said definitively.

And honestly if you saw some of the comments we have had to delete you would cry. You would think people would be respectful in these circumstances but unfortunately there were many where empathy was severely lacking.

ancapailldorcha

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Take any further discussion of moderation on this site to Feedback and/or the Help Desk please as it's well beyond the remit of this forum. Thanks.

Sleepy

Anyone else do a double-take at the latest radio ad campaign for the Irish Heart Foundation "one in four women die from a heart attack"?

Seems like they've drunk the feminist kool aid and have either decided that men don't have hearts or simply don't matter?

Even the figures on their own site show that slightly more men die from cardiovascular disease than women (Deaths from heart disease in 2018 being 54% male and 46% female).

One eyed Jack

Sleepy wrote: »

Anyone else do a double-take at the latest radio ad campaign for the Irish Heart Foundation "one in four women die from a heart attack"?

Seems like they've drunk the feminist kool aid and have either decided that men don't have hearts or simply don't matter?

Even the figures on their own site show that slightly more men die from cardiovascular disease than women (Deaths from heart disease in 2018 being 54% male and 46% female).

To be fair, it’s not something that women are generally mindful of, so reminding them by advertising the fact that one in four women die from a heart attack, or that nearly as many women die from cardiovascular disease as men isn’t a bad thing IMO. Actually now I am reminded of it, you’ve reminded me of similar comments I’d made before in relation to the need for women to be more mindful of their risk of cardiovascular disease -

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I gotta be honest, I read that as a fairly balanced piece, pointing out the differences between men’s and women’s health in terms of cardiovascular health, something which a lot of women I know at least weren’t aware of, but they’re acutely aware of cardiovascular and heart diseases in men, as are most men.

Of course when the Healthy Towns program is sponsored by the makers of viagra, they’ll probably mention at some point how contrary to popular belief their little blue pill may show a lot more promise in preventing cardiovascular health conditions and type 2 diabetes, than just being prescribed as a treatment for male impotence -


Phosphodiesterase-5 inhibitors as novel cardioprotective agents – have we reached threshold for large-scale clinical trials?


(I’m sure the ladies will be happy to hear it too )

creditcarder

Sleepy wrote: »

Anyone else do a double-take at the latest radio ad campaign for the Irish Heart Foundation "one in four women die from a heart attack"?

Seems like they've drunk the feminist kool aid and have either decided that men don't have hearts or simply don't matter?

Even the figures on their own site show that slightly more men die from cardiovascular disease than women (Deaths from heart disease in 2018 being 54% male and 46% female).

Better than 1 in 4 women are homeless, or 1 in 12 journalists that are killed aare female

Calhoun

Sleepy wrote: »

Anyone else do a double-take at the latest radio ad campaign for the Irish Heart Foundation "one in four women die from a heart attack"?

Seems like they've drunk the feminist kool aid and have either decided that men don't have hearts or simply don't matter?

Even the figures on their own site show that slightly more men die from cardiovascular disease than women (Deaths from heart disease in 2018 being 54% male and 46% female).

I think it could be a very specific targeted campaign due to women not being as proactive about it.

There is more than likely an element of it being sexist but I also think that women generally don't consider the heart like men do and when they do have an attack it differs from the conventional signs that men have.

iptba

Sleepy wrote: »

Anyone else do a double-take at the latest radio ad campaign for the Irish Heart Foundation "one in four women die from a heart attack"?

Seems like they've drunk the feminist kool aid and have either decided that men don't have hearts or simply don't matter?

Even the figures on their own site show that slightly more men die from cardiovascular disease than women (Deaths from heart disease in 2018 being 54% male and 46% female).

Though a more important figure is the number of years lost. A lot of the women, but certainly not all, who die from heart attacks are elderly.
I imagine the figures for years lost would show a significantly greater number of years lost by men than women.

iptba

Calhoun wrote: »

Looks like Miss Piggy is spreading her sexist message again https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/education/creation-of-womenonly-university-posts-not-about-keeping-men-out-of-power-says-mary-mitchell-oconnor-38240808.html .

Sincerely hope she looses her seat ,I also hope this role is challenged legally. She is making way to much noise about how it's legal for their not to be some form of legal challenge.

She lost her seat:
https://www.universitytimes.ie/2020/02/mary-mitchell-oconnor-loses-seat-on-eighth-count-in-tight-dun-laoghaire-race/

Calhoun

iptba wrote: »

She lost her seat:
https://www.universitytimes.ie/2020/02/mary-mitchell-oconnor-loses-seat-on-eighth-count-in-tight-dun-laoghaire-race/

She losts her seat, as did Coppinger, one of the last to fall is going to be Zappone but we shall see.

One eyed Jack

Calhoun wrote: »

She losts her seat, as did Coppinger, one of the last to fall is going to be Zappone but we shall see.

Have to admit, I breathed a sigh of relief that she’s finally out -

Dublin South West results: Zappone bows out as Duffy and Lahart take final seats

Calhoun

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Have to admit, I breathed a sigh of relief that she’s finally out -

Dublin South West results: Zappone bows out as Duffy and Lahart take final seats

She wasn't the worst of them but I couldn't get over installing Una Mulally as the education tsar.