Anybody seen Templars Hall Lately?

spankmemunkey

Drove through there yesterday, My God what a dump, I feel sorry for the residents who bought houses and the people who have to live with all those students, it was a complete mess and ive never seen so many cars parked in a housing estate. There was no access to footpaths as cars have been parked on and all over them, Ive seen 6 and 7 cars parked in and around one house and this seemed to be the theme for most houses, what a mess indeed, That housing estate looks like it could do with a good bull dozering, really doesnt look nice seems soulless, I think the students think they have a god given right to do what they want, I also think that the social aspect of college life is really being pushed to the max,

Finnbar01

What possesed people to buy houses there? I remember when I was looking to buy my first house and someone suggested Templar's Hall, it was a new development back then. No way, I said to myself. That place is going to be over run by students and we all know what students are going to be like (yes, yes, not all students are bad, I know).

spankmemunkey

Finnbar01 wrote: »

What possesed people to buy houses there? I remember when I was looking to buy my first house and someone suggested Templar's Hall, it was a new development back then. No way, I said to myself. That place is going to be over run by students and we all know what students are going to be like (yes, yes, not all students are bad, I know).

I tell ye i wouldnt have it if i lived there, what if you wanted to go out with the kids for a walk, the footh paths are all impassable! not to mention pee on the street and bottles and cans! Im surprised we havent read more about it.

Jason Todd

I can't believe more hasn't been made of the fact that yet again the students made a show of themselves and the college this Rag Week. I know of one taxi driver who had to forcibly remove a group of students from his 8-seater cab as one of them was pissing in the back of it while the rest were laughing on Tuesday night. Not to mention the videos on YouTube of the girl getting her top ripped off in view of Gardai, the guy ****ting on the wall on Parnell St and the guy hanging bollock-naked from the lamppost of KFC.

They should do away with the whole thing. And before people start calling me fuddy-duddy, I was a student myself in WIT only 5 years ago and I thought the whole thing was stupid then too, but every year it gets more out of hand.

Cabaal

Finnbar01 wrote: »

What possesed people to buy houses there? I remember when I was looking to buy my first house and someone suggested Templar's Hall, it was a new development back then. No way, I said to myself. That place is going to be over run by students and we all know what students are going to be like (yes, yes, not all students are bad, I know).

Houses were cheaper but then we can say what a bad decision it was for people to buy there, but thats with hindsight.

Regardless of how close to the college it may be people deserve to live in peace and not be kept up all night with partys, have to avoid broken glass everywhere and have to walk on the road due to people's illegal parking.

spankmemunkey

Cabaal wrote: »

Houses were cheaper but then we can say what a bad decision it was for people to buy there, but thats with hindsight.

Regardless of how close to the college it may be people deserve to live in peace and not be kept up all night with partys, have to avoid broken glass everywhere and have to walk on the road due to people's illegal parking.

Is there a residents association? I have to say whenever i hear adds for colleges advertised i have to laugh they try sell the night life in the city too, Its a bit defeatist and it then becomes acceptable when you say ah well they will do it anyway, but if its frowned upon and we dont say do what you want as a student maybe it wouldnt be so bad, Its almost now like students think its part of their college and their right to get absolutely Sh;t faced and do all the bad stuff while away from home, It does seem to be getting worse and worse, I think the whole arguement of alcohol and alcohol abuse should also be brought into light a discussion we had not so long ago on here!

spankmemunkey

Jason Todd wrote: »

I can't believe more hasn't been made of the fact that yet again the students made a show of themselves and the college this Rag Week. I know of one taxi driver who had to forcibly remove a group of students from his 8-seater cab as one of them was pissing in the back of it while the rest were laughing on Tuesday night. Not to mention the videos on YouTube of the girl getting her top ripped off in view of Gardai, the guy ****ting on the wall on Parnell St and the guy hanging bollock-naked from the lamppost of KFC.

They should do away with the whole thing. And before people start calling me fuddy-duddy, I was a student myself in WIT only 5 years ago and I thought the whole thing was stupid then too, but every year it gets more out of hand.

Have you got a link for this, I searched youtube but could only see them all on the street! didnt see any pooing or toplessness! must be blind!

Jason Todd

spankmemunkey wrote: »

Have you got a link for this, I searched youtube but could only see them all on the street! didnt see any pooing or toplessness! must be blind!

I'll have a look when I get home, my girlfriend showed me 2 of the videos and a guy I worked with showed me the other. This is good though: http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2013/02/28/wit-students-celebrate-rag-week-outside-future-fast-food-job-prospects/

HUNDREDS of Waterford students gathered outside their future fast food job prospects last night to celebrate WIT rag week, it was reported today.

An estimated 2,000 young men and women spilled onto the busy streets shortly after closing time to pay homage to their future place in society.

“Tis quair mad here so tis.” said topless Wexford man Martin Brophy. “Der’s young wans runnin’ round with their tits out and everything.

“Its like MTV spring break America or something.” he added, while climbing a sign post.

Gardai said that due to outdated closing-time laws, bus loads of scantily clad, barely legal teens swarmed Waterford’s ‘going out street’ at approximately 2am, leaving many fast food businesses inundated with orders from potential future employees.

The already under-manned, under-paid Gardai battled throughout the night to disperse the drunken crowd of kebab munchers.

Several young men resorted to climbing one fast food outlet in a bid to secure their future roles as fast food workers.

“Its all about conquering and showing the competition that this is your territory.” said Carlow young fella Tony Mackay.

Fast food business owner, Mohammed Petal, told WWN that he expects to receive CV’s from at least half of the people he served over the past few days.

“Its a vicious circle.” he explained. “People in Ireland go to college, get drunk and abuse fast food workers like us and think its funny. Its not!

“What is funny tho is the fact that these same people will fail their exams, drop out of college and end up handing in their CV’s to us looking for work. ” he concluded.

Finnbar01

Cabaal wrote: »

Houses were cheaper but then we can say what a bad decision it was for people to buy there, but thats with hindsight.

It had nothing to do with hindsight at all. I wasn't the only person thinking what a nightmare that place was going to turn into.

ziedth

Hi all,

I deleted a post of with a pic of the topless girl. First off we can't be sure is she is 18 so I'm playing it safe and most importantly to me IMO it's not right to have it up here. fire away on Any other pics (within reason) but I'd prefer if we didn't go down that road.

Any questions or comments PM me.

Cheers

spankmemunkey

Does anybody know how many owner occupiers there are in Templars Hall?

I mean i think most of you can agree this is totally unacceptable the behaviour and the way things have gone there, I think the council and the neighbour hood association should bill WIT for any damage caused maybe they would be more vigilant about how their students behave if they were faced with fines or punishment, they are reaping the financial rewards of the students attending the college so they should be help responsible!

Jason Todd

ziedth wrote: »

Hi all,

I deleted a post of with a pic of the topless girl. First off we can't be sure is she is 18 so I'm playing it safe and most importantly to me IMO it's not right to have it up here. fire away on Any other pics (within reason) but I'd prefer if we didn't go down that road.

Any questions or comments PM me.

Cheers

Sorry Ziedth, I never even thought of the legal implication for ye. I took the pics from a Facebook page.

funkyouup

spankmemunkey wrote: »

Does anybody know how many owner occupiers there are in Templars Hall?

I mean i think most of you can agree this is totally unacceptable the behaviour and the way things have gone there, I think the council and the neighbour hood association should bill WIT for any damage caused maybe they would be more vigilant about how their students behave if they were faced with fines or punishment, they are reaping the financial rewards of the students attending the college so they should be help responsible!

I dont know what planet your on lad but that college dont give one **** about templars hall, that place has just gotten worse and worse( and it was bad enough 8 or so years ago)

ziedth

Why should WIT have to pay though? For Christ sake these people are for the most part fully grown adults. If we had a boards beers and trashed the exchange you would hardly think Boards should pay.

I fully agree that antisocial behavior should lead to a student being expelled but the responsibility is on the students

Finnbar01

ziedth wrote: »

Why should WIT have to pay though? For Christ sake these people are for the most part fully grown adults. If we had a boards beers and trashed the exchange you would hardly think Boards should pay.

I fully agree that antisocial behavior should lead to a student being expelled but the responsibility is on the students

I agree with you. And the thing is, if WIT were made to pay, at the end of the day it would be us, the taxpayer, paying the bill.

funkyouup

They arent in anyway liable for what these "adults" do when they leave the college grounds, being realistic i dont think their is a solution to it, any families living their are stuck and any landlords will be only to happy to keep collecting the rent. Intermitent garda presence and a bit of a write up in the paper every so often, and lets not forget here where apparently the county council read but nothing really changes unfortunately.

Jason Todd

ziedth wrote: »

Why should WIT have to pay though? For Christ sake these people are for the most part fully grown adults. If we had a boards beers and trashed the exchange you would hardly think Boards should pay.

I fully agree that antisocial behavior should lead to a student being expelled but the responsibility is on the students

Finnbar01 wrote: »

I agree with you. And the thing is, if WIT were made to pay, at the end of the day it would be us, the taxpayer, paying the bill.

What if the WIT introduced some sort of strike system, so that if a student stepped out of line (ie. a law is broken) too many times, letters would go home to mammy and daddy, and then credits or marks may be removed and ultimately expulsion may occur.

That way the WIT is not directly responsible for any damage they incur but that it can help discipline someone along with any Gardai punishment.

ziedth

Jason Todd wrote: »

What if the WIT introduced some sort of strike system, so that if a student stepped out of line (ie. a law is broken) too many times, letters would go home to mammy and daddy, and then credits or marks may be removed and ultimately expulsion may occur.

That way the WIT is not directly responsible for any damage they incur but that it can help discipline someone along with any Gardai punishment.

I think it's a great idea. Youd think theyll have to try something.

It's probably around 10 years since the day I started college but we don't seem 10% as bad looking back then today and there was allot more money around then and all.

wobbles

WIT can in no way discipline students for what they do off college campus. Exactly the same way an employee is free to do what they want when not working.

I posted this in the other thread from last years rag week, but there are more to blame than just students. Landlords should be evicting students who are anti-social. Gardai should be arresting anyone being anti-social in town. Fine clubs and pubs for serving alcohol to people clearly too drunk. Introduce a closing time for fast food places for Rag week. If they have nothing to do in town after closing time they will go home.

Ultimately, students are to blame but the fact that the students causing all this harm are getting away with it, means each year it will get worse, and more people involved since they can get away with it.

Finnbar01

ziedth wrote: »

I think it's a great idea. Youd think theyll have to try something.

It's probably around 10 years since the day I started college but we don't seem 10% as bad looking back then today and there was allot more money around then and all.

I remember a time where students would literally share pints when going out and buying a sandwich between two.

gw80

as far as i know the college does have someone out there on certain nights patroling and there is a punishment scheme in place,it a three strikes and the registered tenant or tenants get a fine.

looksee

wobbles wrote: »

WIT can in no way discipline students for what they do off college campus. Exactly the same way an employee is free to do what they want when not working.

I posted this in the other thread from last years rag week, but there are more to blame than just students. Landlords should be evicting students who are anti-social. Gardai should be arresting anyone being anti-social in town. Fine clubs and pubs for serving alcohol to people clearly too drunk. Introduce a closing time for fast food places for Rag week. If they have nothing to do in town after closing time they will go home.

Ultimately, students are to blame but the fact that the students causing all this harm are getting away with it, means each year it will get worse, and more people involved since they can get away with it.

WIT could stop ragweek which would at least be a statement of their views. Further if students had to sign an agreement to the effect that they would be out if they 'acted in a manner that would bring the college into disrepute' - which would not include legitimate protests - then the college could do just that.

The whole thing about students not being the only ones responsible is ridiculous. The publicans and fast food places are acting just the same for the rest of the year and the rest of the populace isn't behaving like morons.

Finnbar01

Jason Todd wrote: »

What if the WIT introduced some sort of strike system, so that if a student stepped out of line (ie. a law is broken) too many times, letters would go home to mammy and daddy, and then credits or marks may be removed and ultimately expulsion may occur.

That way the WIT is not directly responsible for any damage they incur but that it can help discipline someone along with any Gardai punishment.

Yes the strike system seems a good idea but unfortunately I'd say it wouldn't stand up in a court of law.

I don't understand why Gardaí are not arresting and charging people with breaking the law?

Jason Todd

Finnbar01 wrote: »

Yes the strike system seems a good idea but unfortunately I'd say it wouldn't stand up in a court of law.

I don't understand why Gardaí are not arresting and charging people with breaking the law?

Last time a Guard was asked about this (that I know of) they said in most cases they are advised to just leave the students at it, obviously until there is major property damage or someone gets properly injured, but it's not ideal to wade in arresting people as they may antagonise a situation and all of a sudden they are outnumbered and faceless scumbags may take the opportunity to land a blow on a Guard without fear of incrimination. There are very few Gardai around at 4 in the morning when you think about it.

Unfortunately it doesn't look like we'll be getting more Gardai on the streets anytime soon either.

wobbles

looksee wrote: »

WIT could stop ragweek which would at least be a statement of their views. Further if students had to sign an agreement to the effect that they would be out if they 'acted in a manner that would bring the college into disrepute' - which would not include legitimate protests - then the college could do just that.

The whole thing about students not being the only ones responsible is ridiculous. The publicans and fast food places are acting just the same for the rest of the year and the rest of the populace isn't behaving like morons.

They already are under something that says they cant bring the college into dispute. I remember reading something like that when i started college years ago. But that was the last i heard of it so its not enforced.

WIT can cancel RAG week, but it will not stop the students. Official or not, there will always be a RAG week.

The rest of the populace are not morons, but there is a small percentage of students and there friends who are. Publicans have a responsibility to not serve people completely pissed. How many people do you think they refused during RAG week.......

Your Airbag

Jason Todd wrote: »

Not to mention the videos on YouTube of the girl getting her top ripped off in view of Gardai, the guy ****ting on the wall on Parnell St and the guy hanging bollock-naked from the lamppost of KFC.

Links plz

Jason Todd

Your Airbag wrote: »

Links plz

I already had a post deleted which featured a video and photos. Like I said earlier, I was shown 3 of the videos on other people's Facebook, I didn't have access to all of them myself, sorry. I'll try track them down later.

johnnykilo

It should be remembered that a considerable number of these people aren't WIT students either. They may be friends of WIT students down for Rag week, people in FAS, people in the College of Further Education in Parnell street, people from other colleges up the country who come down for a night or two of rag week in Waterford.

I'm not defending this stupid behaviour in any way just saying that even if WIT did implement a tougher policy some of this would still go on as some of the people doing it are not WIT students. Anyway as someone else mentioned WIT do have an anti-social behaviour policy for a number of years. I think it's mostly down to problems with the landlords and if the landlords report the students then WIT will take it seriously, but obviously unless a student is thrashing the house they're renting then the landlord probably doesn't care what they get up to.

The only way to stop this is either ban rag week, in which case I'm sure the clubs would still come up with some unofficial rag week or else get some garda re-enforcements in for the week and have a zero tolerance policy.

mooseknunkle

Your Airbag wrote: »

Links plz

cant really identify people from these pics so maybe are ok?

spankmemunkey

My earlier point was that something must be done and someone must be held accountable, students cant be allowed run amock and people say its rag week what can you do!

The College does have to accept that it is out of hand, that there are problems because of their students taking over housing estates and creating misery for other residents and dont forget wasting Guarda time they had to stand there and watch them do this.

WIT have to review this and see what can be done, looking at all the avenues the only ones that can do anything are the college, We all know they are students from wit and they are bringing the college into disrepute!

The behaviour is unnaceptable and i really do feel sorry for the residents of T H

johnnykilo

spankmemunkey wrote: »

My earlier point was that something must be done and someone must be held accountable, students cant be allowed run amock and people say its rag week what can you do!

The College does have to accept that it is out of hand, that there are problems because of their students taking over housing estates and creating misery for other residents and dont forget wasting Guarda time they had to stand there and watch them do this.

WIT have to review this and see what can be done, looking at all the avenues the only ones that can do anything are the college, We all know they are students from wit and they are bringing the college into disrepute!

The behaviour is unnaceptable and i really do feel sorry for the residents of T H

Yes someone must be held accountable; the students, What the hell ever happened to personal responsibility in this country!? We all agree the behaviour is unacceptable but I don't see how WIT can police what students do outside WIT in housing estates, in clubs and on John Street (Yes in an ideal world, but legally they don't really have a leg to stand on).

They could ban Rag Week, but the clubs in town would still promote it. As far as I'm aware the college has very little to do with Rag week, I'm not even sure if they officially recognise it anymore (I'm open to correction on this though). The students union on the other hand are involved, but then again I think it may only be events in the college not any of the events in town which everyone is complaining about.

The only way this will stop is to get more police involved and have a zero tolerance policy. If they Gardai could charge these people maybe then the college could do something about it, but until they have actually been charged with someting there's not much anyone can do.

old gregg

So unfortunate that nothing has changed since we last had this topic a year ago.

I reckon the students concerned will be scumbags because that's they way they are, WIT have no real responsibility because they are not mommy and daddy after school closes but the grasping greedy landlords are a different kettle of fish completely. Those are the assholes I'd go after and hold responsible for everything that happens on the estate. They are taking easy money while others suffer.

Tom_Cruise

spankmemunkey wrote: »

Does anybody know how many owner occupiers there are in Templars Hall?

I mean i think most of you can agree this is totally unacceptable the behaviour and the way things have gone there, I think the council and the neighbour hood association should bill WIT for any damage caused maybe they would be more vigilant about how their students behave if they were faced with fines or punishment, they are reaping the financial rewards of the students attending the college so they should be help responsible!

Why not bill the pubs and clubs for serving the students alcohol instead? I doubt this this type of behavior would happen if they were sober.

Media999

Why do people think that WIT have some kind of power to tell people what to do?

Some load of nonsense in this thread.

All WIT is collect a bit of charity around the place these days. You would think they hand out free shots the way people act here.

Students, Landlords and Guards are responsible for Templars. Not WIT.

Adyx

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

Why not bill the pubs and clubs for serving the students alcohol instead? I doubt this this type of behavior would happen if they were sober.

Students don't buy drink in the pubs and clubs, they buy it in supermarkets or off-licences. Do you really think they go into town at 8 o'clock and stay drinking till 2:30? No, they stay at home all day drinking then head to the clubs at 12. So good luck telling Tesco they have to pay for cleaning up broken glass outside somebody's house in Templars Hall.

In any case why should the clubs pay? Ever hear of personal responsibility? Hundreds of people manage to go out Saturday nights, get drunk and have a good time without wrecking the place. 14 years ago when I moved here to go to college we managed to go out, get drunk and have a good time without wrecking the place and RAG week actually lived up to it's name with multiple events all week designed to raise money for charity.

Dicky Pride

As adyx says, and ironic as it is, when students used to go out earlier...I'm talking into pubs like sheffs and the pulpit etc...there was less hassle about the place. Pubs used to be chock-a-block at 8pm (and earlier on rag week) but students generally drank a normal amount at a normal pace. When they are drinking at home they are ploughing the drink into themselves at a rapid rate, mixing drinks, making their own measures of cheap spirits etc and then walking out into the fresh air at about midnight. They are already hammered before they enter the clubs and in most cases will not be spending any more money on drink for the rest of the night.

If a club has no door charge it generally won't take in anymore than a fiver a head from students (if even that) so it's usually a waste of time to open their doors to them. If I owned a club in town I'd have a big sign that said
"No students after 11:30pm"

Max Powers

how dare students go out to pubs, rent houses and spend money in shops and cafes in the city, its a disgrace, maybe we should get rid of all of them and see what way the city is then:rolleyes:. as far cars parked on paths, i think students are responsible for all the badly parked cars on the quays lanes too, maybe a national ban on students is what is needed because non-students behave impeciabbly at the weekend on saturday night.


some of the posts here are absolutely patheticly short sighted

albert kidd

i cant believe that people are leaving these people away with keeping them up all night and what have you..its not exactly the ira or the mafia living next door to you.it would be easily sorted with a few getting togther.

Jason Todd

Max Powers wrote: »

how dare students go out to pubs, rent houses and spend money in shops and cafes in the city, its a disgrace, maybe we should get rid of all of them and see what way the city is then:rolleyes:. as far cars parked on paths, i think students are responsible for all the badly parked cars on the quays lanes too, maybe a national ban on students is what is needed because non-students behave impeciabbly at the weekend on saturday night.


some of the posts here are absolutely patheticly short sighted

Don't be ridiculous, nobody is saying that. What people are saying, if you actually read the thread and not been more concerned with getting a dig in is; students should be held more accountable for their actions.

If you or I were to be a menace to our neighbours on a constant basis we'd have the Guards at our door more than once and in some cases would be made to move. If you or I were to climb up on a pole in the middle of Spraoi, strip off and damage the pole, would it be OK? Would it be excused as part of the revelry or excused because we're young or that there is too many of us?

Too much stuff gets glossed over and it's innocent people being made to suffer. When I worked on Parnell St. we were sick of washing p!ss and vomit off our shopfront after a regular student night, never mind Rag Week.

Cabaal

Max Powers wrote: »

how dare students go out to pubs, rent houses and spend money in shops and cafes in the city, its a disgrace, maybe we should get rid of all of them and see what way the city is then:rolleyes:.

Nobody said they can't rent houses, go to the pub etc,

The issue is with anti-social behavior, regardless of if somebody is a student or not if they act like dicks and wreck people's property, keep people up all night partying and are generally anti-social then they should be dealt with by the law.

Do you think they shouldn't?

as far cars parked on paths, i think students are responsible for all the badly parked cars on the quays lanes too,

So thats your defense?
If people park illegal they should be dealt with accordingly,

Your post almost suggest its ok for the students to park like they do because a separate parking issue on the quays?

Do you think its acceptable to park illegal on footpaths in a housing estate for hours or even sometimes days on end. Remember this endangers kids by forcing them out onto the road.

Sure illegal parking happens in the quays but rarely is it for the likes of 12hours. Very separate type of issue....though this in now way means its ok either.

some of the posts here are absolutely patheticly short sighted

I'd see more of an issue with your frankly pathetic counter argument to students anti-social behavior.

The bottom line is innocent people suffer with this type of behavior, its a nightmare being kept up night after night after night when you have work in the morning. I should know I experienced for months on end at one stage.

Do you think the students cared, nope of course not. Do you think the landlord cared, nope. Noise from party's comes under the EPA and in my view the laws are extremely lax when it comes to dealing with such people.

THall04

Disappointing to see so many negative comments about Templars Hall in this thread.
Since the Templars Hall Management Company was set up last year there’s been some big changes on the estate.
For most of the past eight months Templars Hall has been spotless ,the open green areas have been well maintained, most of the garden fences have been repaired as have the cobblelock footpaths near the back of the estate.

Even the car parking improved and Wednesday nights have been fairly tame thanks to the private security hired by the management company.

Unfortunately it’s only taken a few days for some of the dickheads enjoying rag week to f**k up the area.
But as bad as Templars looked this week , it was nowhere near as bad as it was in previous years.

spankmemunkey

Theres a couple of things here,

WIT have never come out and condemned the action of students and said this behaviour is unnacceptable and anti social behaviour if reported will see students punished, They should have policies in place and learn from years gone past that this type of stuff shouldnt go on and that its impacting on the locals standard of living. Why dont we just leave it then and let them piss and **** vomit and ride on our doorstep, They think theyve a god given right to do this cos they are in college and its the done thing, so WIT do have a responisbility to say this type of behaviour is unnaceptable and it will be dealt with somehow.

Residents are suffering Garda resources are being wasted, and every two weeks theres a pile of yellow sacks outside templars hall where the council cleans up. I saw driving past alot of fencing that devides gardens snapped in two. I hope residents have the insight to record them doing it and post it on youtube or provide it to the guards! they cant be let off to do what they want!

theidiots

spankmemunkey wrote: »

Theres a couple of things here,

WIT have never come out and condemned the action of students and said this behaviour is unnacceptable and anti social behaviour if reported will see students punished, They should have policies in place and learn from years gone past that this type of stuff shouldnt go on and that its impacting on the locals standard of living. Why dont we just leave it then and let them piss and **** vomit and ride on our doorstep, They think theyve a god given right to do this cos they are in college and its the done thing, so WIT do have a responisbility to say this type of behaviour is unnaceptable and it will be dealt with somehow.

Residents are suffering Garda resources are being wasted, and every two weeks theres a pile of yellow sacks outside templars hall where the council cleans up. I saw driving past alot of fencing that devides gardens snapped in two. I hope residents have the insight to record them doing it and post it on youtube or provide it to the guards! they cant be let off to do what they want!

I lived there for a year and its not as bad as people are saying. Where do people expect students to park their cars? It does get fairly messy through rag week though but there is not that much noise at all! The area is generally kept clean and there is not much anti-social behaviour at all.

What are students expected to do? Theres 10,000 students and staff in WIT and Waterford is a small enough place and you are always going to get anti social behaviour of students of in any college.

Residents who own houses in templars hall wont be happy until every student is out of there. There are one or two families that are broadcasting and exagerrating the whole thing that are putting a negative effect on the area.

Tom_Cruise

Adyx wrote: »

Students don't buy drink in the pubs and clubs, they buy it in supermarkets or off-licences. Do you really think they go into town at 8 o'clock and stay drinking till 2:30? No, they stay at home all day drinking then head to the clubs at 12. So good luck telling Tesco they have to pay for cleaning up broken glass outside somebody's house in Templars Hall.

In any case why should the clubs pay? Ever hear of personal responsibility? Hundreds of people manage to go out Saturday nights, get drunk and have a good time without wrecking the place. 14 years ago when I moved here to go to college we managed to go out, get drunk and have a good time without wrecking the place and RAG week actually lived up to it's name with multiple events all week designed to raise money for charity.

Im pretty sure students do buy drinks in pubs/clubs. Any student night i have been out on has been mental crazy with loads of people trying to get a drink at the bar! Of course , they pre-drink heavily and id say a lot of them bring alcohol out with them (plenty of nagen bottles lying around pub cubicles)

Any how, i wasn't serious in my original post - of course its all down to personal responsibility at the end of the day. Or maybe some people here are just getting old and cranky and cant see the funny side of it anymore

Ferris_Bueller

THall04 wrote: »

Disappointing to see so many negative comments about Templars Hall in this thread.
Since the Templars Hall Management Company was set up last year there’s been some big changes on the estate.
For most of the past eight months Templars Hall has been spotless ,the open green areas have been well maintained, most of the garden fences have been repaired as have the cobblelock footpaths near the back of the estate.

Even the car parking improved and Wednesday nights have been fairly tame thanks to the private security hired by the management company.

Unfortunately it’s only taken a few days for some of the dickheads enjoying rag week to f**k up the area.
But as bad as Templars looked this week , it was nowhere near as bad as it was in previous years.

Have to agree with this. The estate is much quieter this year than it was last year, although there does seem to be a lot more cars around the estate, but what do you expect them to do? When there could be 4 people living in one house who all drive their own cars where do you expect them to park?

Finnbar01

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Have to agree with this. The estate is much quieter this year than it was last year, although there does seem to be a lot more cars around the estate, but what do you expect them to do? When there could be 4 people living in one house who all drive their own cars where do you expect them to park?

That is not the problem of the residents that live down there, that is the problem of the people who own the cars. And they most definately shouldn't be parking on the footpaths - that is dangerous.

spankmemunkey

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

Im pretty sure students do buy drinks in pubs/clubs. Any student night i have been out on has been mental crazy with loads of people trying to get a drink at the bar! Of course , they pre-drink heavily and id say a lot of them bring alcohol out with them (plenty of nagen bottles lying around pub cubicles)

Any how, i wasn't serious in my original post - of course its all down to personal responsibility at the end of the day. Or maybe some people here are just getting old and cranky and cant see the funny side of it anymore

Ive got news for you, when your married and have kids and a mortgage on a house that isnt worth anything like what you paid for it, you wont see the funny side of all night party's a housing estate being over taken by students and cars parked all over the shop in a wreckless manner!

Despite what you think now you wont be UP FOR IT when your married wth kids and a mortgage a job that you might hate.

Sully

Ah RAG Week and general anti-social behaviour by students. Uproar in local media and the Students Union flat out denying it had anything to do with WIT Students. That was a few years ago now mind you and the union made some efforts to improve the situation with the help of the Gardai, the council and other bodies. I'm told it hasn't really worked but I couldn't comment firsthand.

The college did make a small effort, sending out a letter to students in the student houses advising them of consequences if they step out of line in public while students of WIT. Some secondary schools had a similar approach but it was more if they were wearing the school uniform. Also, the council brought in a by-law to stop drinking on the streets which doesn't appear to be enforced. It appears that the threats and strongly worded statements are just that - and because there is no tough enforcement nothing is done.

I suspect that RAG week has a larger number of students, a significant increase, than normal nights. It should be policed better by the Gardai who know its a troubled event. The college and the students union should refuse to have any part of it and step up security on campus. The Templars Hall Residents Association / Management Group (which a former SU President is/was involved in) should re-double their efforts (if possible) with security and the Gardai. Notify the college of offending students and householders along with the Gardai who I believe were to hand out warnings and take action.

Either way, I don't believe the efforts on paper or on the surface are making the blindest bit of a difference. So either its just something to please the locals by looking like your busy addressing the situation, or the measures being implemented are not working and thus something else needs to be done. You can't say its working and ramble with statistics, pictures and video evidence alone without counting eye witness accounts of the troubles prove that the systems are failing. No matter how cool you make your efforts sound.

Adyx

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

Im pretty sure students do buy drinks in pubs/clubs. Any student night i have been out on has been mental crazy with loads of people trying to get a drink at the bar! Of course , they pre-drink heavily and id say a lot of them bring alcohol out with them (plenty of nagen bottles lying around pub cubicles)

Any how, i wasn't serious in my original post - of course its all down to personal responsibility at the end of the day. Or maybe some people here are just getting old and cranky and cant see the funny side of it anymore

Well as someone who has experience from both sides of the bar on student nights including managerial positions I can tell you the pitiful amount bought by students would have very little to do with their intoxicated state. By the time they get to the clubs, they might have one drink and chances are that drink is stolen or they brought it in with them.

As for not being serious, well you just keep backtracking down from that moronic suggestion.

dzilla

I think its just a reflection on the quality of student WIT attracts

Alot of good students there doing good courses , but also alot of wild ones doing soft low point courses

Hoffmans

templars hall management co. fees , out of control students, property tax and water charges on the way bundled up with a big lump of negative equity , no wonder so many are emigrating out of the town....