Anybody seen Templars Hall Lately?

old gregg · 01-03-2013 10:19PM

So unfortunate that nothing has changed since we last had this topic a year ago.

I reckon the students concerned will be scumbags because that's they way they are, WIT have no real responsibility because they are not mommy and daddy after school closes but the grasping greedy landlords are a different kettle of fish completely. Those are the assholes I'd go after and hold responsible for everything that happens on the estate. They are taking easy money while others suffer.

Tom_Cruise · 01-03-2013 10:24PM

spankmemunkey wrote: »

Does anybody know how many owner occupiers there are in Templars Hall?

I mean i think most of you can agree this is totally unacceptable the behaviour and the way things have gone there, I think the council and the neighbour hood association should bill WIT for any damage caused maybe they would be more vigilant about how their students behave if they were faced with fines or punishment, they are reaping the financial rewards of the students attending the college so they should be help responsible!

Why not bill the pubs and clubs for serving the students alcohol instead? I doubt this this type of behavior would happen if they were sober.

Media999 · 02-03-2013 02:13AM

Why do people think that WIT have some kind of power to tell people what to do?

Some load of nonsense in this thread.

All WIT is collect a bit of charity around the place these days. You would think they hand out free shots the way people act here.

Students, Landlords and Guards are responsible for Templars. Not WIT.

Adyx · 02-03-2013 02:46AM

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

Why not bill the pubs and clubs for serving the students alcohol instead? I doubt this this type of behavior would happen if they were sober.

Students don't buy drink in the pubs and clubs, they buy it in supermarkets or off-licences. Do you really think they go into town at 8 o'clock and stay drinking till 2:30? No, they stay at home all day drinking then head to the clubs at 12. So good luck telling Tesco they have to pay for cleaning up broken glass outside somebody's house in Templars Hall.

In any case why should the clubs pay? Ever hear of personal responsibility? Hundreds of people manage to go out Saturday nights, get drunk and have a good time without wrecking the place. 14 years ago when I moved here to go to college we managed to go out, get drunk and have a good time without wrecking the place and RAG week actually lived up to it's name with multiple events all week designed to raise money for charity.

Dicky Pride · 02-03-2013 08:52AM

As adyx says, and ironic as it is, when students used to go out earlier...I'm talking into pubs like sheffs and the pulpit etc...there was less hassle about the place. Pubs used to be chock-a-block at 8pm (and earlier on rag week) but students generally drank a normal amount at a normal pace. When they are drinking at home they are ploughing the drink into themselves at a rapid rate, mixing drinks, making their own measures of cheap spirits etc and then walking out into the fresh air at about midnight. They are already hammered before they enter the clubs and in most cases will not be spending any more money on drink for the rest of the night.

If a club has no door charge it generally won't take in anymore than a fiver a head from students (if even that) so it's usually a waste of time to open their doors to them. If I owned a club in town I'd have a big sign that said
"No students after 11:30pm"

Max Powers · 02-03-2013 12:17PM

how dare students go out to pubs, rent houses and spend money in shops and cafes in the city, its a disgrace, maybe we should get rid of all of them and see what way the city is then:rolleyes:. as far cars parked on paths, i think students are responsible for all the badly parked cars on the quays lanes too, maybe a national ban on students is what is needed because non-students behave impeciabbly at the weekend on saturday night.

some of the posts here are absolutely patheticly short sighted

albert kidd · 02-03-2013 12:43PM

i cant believe that people are leaving these people away with keeping them up all night and what have you..its not exactly the ira or the mafia living next door to you.it would be easily sorted with a few getting togther.

Jason Todd · 02-03-2013 01:09PM

Max Powers wrote: »

how dare students go out to pubs, rent houses and spend money in shops and cafes in the city, its a disgrace, maybe we should get rid of all of them and see what way the city is then:rolleyes:. as far cars parked on paths, i think students are responsible for all the badly parked cars on the quays lanes too, maybe a national ban on students is what is needed because non-students behave impeciabbly at the weekend on saturday night.

some of the posts here are absolutely patheticly short sighted

Don't be ridiculous, nobody is saying that. What people are saying, if you actually read the thread and not been more concerned with getting a dig in is; students should be held more accountable for their actions.

If you or I were to be a menace to our neighbours on a constant basis we'd have the Guards at our door more than once and in some cases would be made to move. If you or I were to climb up on a pole in the middle of Spraoi, strip off and damage the pole, would it be OK? Would it be excused as part of the revelry or excused because we're young or that there is too many of us?

Too much stuff gets glossed over and it's innocent people being made to suffer. When I worked on Parnell St. we were sick of washing p!ss and vomit off our shopfront after a regular student night, never mind Rag Week.

Cabaal · 02-03-2013 02:08PM

Max Powers wrote: »

how dare students go out to pubs, rent houses and spend money in shops and cafes in the city, its a disgrace, maybe we should get rid of all of them and see what way the city is then:rolleyes:.

Nobody said they can't rent houses, go to the pub etc,

The issue is with anti-social behavior, regardless of if somebody is a student or not if they act like dicks and wreck people's property, keep people up all night partying and are generally anti-social then they should be dealt with by the law.

Do you think they shouldn't?

as far cars parked on paths, i think students are responsible for all the badly parked cars on the quays lanes too,

So thats your defense?
If people park illegal they should be dealt with accordingly,

Your post almost suggest its ok for the students to park like they do because a separate parking issue on the quays?

Do you think its acceptable to park illegal on footpaths in a housing estate for hours or even sometimes days on end. Remember this endangers kids by forcing them out onto the road.

Sure illegal parking happens in the quays but rarely is it for the likes of 12hours. Very separate type of issue....though this in now way means its ok either.

some of the posts here are absolutely patheticly short sighted

I'd see more of an issue with your frankly pathetic counter argument to students anti-social behavior.

The bottom line is innocent people suffer with this type of behavior, its a nightmare being kept up night after night after night when you have work in the morning. I should know I experienced for months on end at one stage.

Do you think the students cared, nope of course not. Do you think the landlord cared, nope. Noise from party's comes under the EPA and in my view the laws are extremely lax when it comes to dealing with such people.

THall04 · 02-03-2013 06:24PM

Disappointing to see so many negative comments about Templars Hall in this thread.
Since the Templars Hall Management Company was set up last year there’s been some big changes on the estate.
For most of the past eight months Templars Hall has been spotless ,the open green areas have been well maintained, most of the garden fences have been repaired as have the cobblelock footpaths near the back of the estate.

Even the car parking improved and Wednesday nights have been fairly tame thanks to the private security hired by the management company.

Unfortunately it’s only taken a few days for some of the dickheads enjoying rag week to f**k up the area.
But as bad as Templars looked this week , it was nowhere near as bad as it was in previous years.

spankmemunkey · 02-03-2013 07:16PM

Theres a couple of things here,

WIT have never come out and condemned the action of students and said this behaviour is unnacceptable and anti social behaviour if reported will see students punished, They should have policies in place and learn from years gone past that this type of stuff shouldnt go on and that its impacting on the locals standard of living. Why dont we just leave it then and let them piss and **** vomit and ride on our doorstep, They think theyve a god given right to do this cos they are in college and its the done thing, so WIT do have a responisbility to say this type of behaviour is unnaceptable and it will be dealt with somehow.

Residents are suffering Garda resources are being wasted, and every two weeks theres a pile of yellow sacks outside templars hall where the council cleans up. I saw driving past alot of fencing that devides gardens snapped in two. I hope residents have the insight to record them doing it and post it on youtube or provide it to the guards! they cant be let off to do what they want!

theidiots · 02-03-2013 07:43PM

spankmemunkey wrote: »

Theres a couple of things here,

WIT have never come out and condemned the action of students and said this behaviour is unnacceptable and anti social behaviour if reported will see students punished, They should have policies in place and learn from years gone past that this type of stuff shouldnt go on and that its impacting on the locals standard of living. Why dont we just leave it then and let them piss and **** vomit and ride on our doorstep, They think theyve a god given right to do this cos they are in college and its the done thing, so WIT do have a responisbility to say this type of behaviour is unnaceptable and it will be dealt with somehow.

Residents are suffering Garda resources are being wasted, and every two weeks theres a pile of yellow sacks outside templars hall where the council cleans up. I saw driving past alot of fencing that devides gardens snapped in two. I hope residents have the insight to record them doing it and post it on youtube or provide it to the guards! they cant be let off to do what they want!

I lived there for a year and its not as bad as people are saying. Where do people expect students to park their cars? It does get fairly messy through rag week though but there is not that much noise at all! The area is generally kept clean and there is not much anti-social behaviour at all.

What are students expected to do? Theres 10,000 students and staff in WIT and Waterford is a small enough place and you are always going to get anti social behaviour of students of in any college.

Residents who own houses in templars hall wont be happy until every student is out of there. There are one or two families that are broadcasting and exagerrating the whole thing that are putting a negative effect on the area.

Tom_Cruise · 02-03-2013 08:35PM

Adyx wrote: »

Students don't buy drink in the pubs and clubs, they buy it in supermarkets or off-licences. Do you really think they go into town at 8 o'clock and stay drinking till 2:30? No, they stay at home all day drinking then head to the clubs at 12. So good luck telling Tesco they have to pay for cleaning up broken glass outside somebody's house in Templars Hall.

In any case why should the clubs pay? Ever hear of personal responsibility? Hundreds of people manage to go out Saturday nights, get drunk and have a good time without wrecking the place. 14 years ago when I moved here to go to college we managed to go out, get drunk and have a good time without wrecking the place and RAG week actually lived up to it's name with multiple events all week designed to raise money for charity.

Im pretty sure students do buy drinks in pubs/clubs. Any student night i have been out on has been mental crazy with loads of people trying to get a drink at the bar! Of course , they pre-drink heavily and id say a lot of them bring alcohol out with them (plenty of nagen bottles lying around pub cubicles)

Any how, i wasn't serious in my original post - of course its all down to personal responsibility at the end of the day. Or maybe some people here are just getting old and cranky and cant see the funny side of it anymore

Ferris_Bueller · 02-03-2013 08:58PM

THall04 wrote: »

Disappointing to see so many negative comments about Templars Hall in this thread.
Since the Templars Hall Management Company was set up last year there’s been some big changes on the estate.
For most of the past eight months Templars Hall has been spotless ,the open green areas have been well maintained, most of the garden fences have been repaired as have the cobblelock footpaths near the back of the estate.

Even the car parking improved and Wednesday nights have been fairly tame thanks to the private security hired by the management company.

Unfortunately it’s only taken a few days for some of the dickheads enjoying rag week to f**k up the area.
But as bad as Templars looked this week , it was nowhere near as bad as it was in previous years.

Have to agree with this. The estate is much quieter this year than it was last year, although there does seem to be a lot more cars around the estate, but what do you expect them to do? When there could be 4 people living in one house who all drive their own cars where do you expect them to park?

Finnbar01 · 02-03-2013 09:59PM

Ferris_Bueller wrote: »

Have to agree with this. The estate is much quieter this year than it was last year, although there does seem to be a lot more cars around the estate, but what do you expect them to do? When there could be 4 people living in one house who all drive their own cars where do you expect them to park?

That is not the problem of the residents that live down there, that is the problem of the people who own the cars. And they most definately shouldn't be parking on the footpaths - that is dangerous.

spankmemunkey · 03-03-2013 07:00PM

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

Im pretty sure students do buy drinks in pubs/clubs. Any student night i have been out on has been mental crazy with loads of people trying to get a drink at the bar! Of course , they pre-drink heavily and id say a lot of them bring alcohol out with them (plenty of nagen bottles lying around pub cubicles)

Any how, i wasn't serious in my original post - of course its all down to personal responsibility at the end of the day. Or maybe some people here are just getting old and cranky and cant see the funny side of it anymore

Ive got news for you, when your married and have kids and a mortgage on a house that isnt worth anything like what you paid for it, you wont see the funny side of all night party's a housing estate being over taken by students and cars parked all over the shop in a wreckless manner!

Despite what you think now you wont be UP FOR IT when your married wth kids and a mortgage a job that you might hate.

Sully · 03-03-2013 07:30PM

Ah RAG Week and general anti-social behaviour by students. Uproar in local media and the Students Union flat out denying it had anything to do with WIT Students. That was a few years ago now mind you and the union made some efforts to improve the situation with the help of the Gardai, the council and other bodies. I'm told it hasn't really worked but I couldn't comment firsthand.

The college did make a small effort, sending out a letter to students in the student houses advising them of consequences if they step out of line in public while students of WIT. Some secondary schools had a similar approach but it was more if they were wearing the school uniform. Also, the council brought in a by-law to stop drinking on the streets which doesn't appear to be enforced. It appears that the threats and strongly worded statements are just that - and because there is no tough enforcement nothing is done.

I suspect that RAG week has a larger number of students, a significant increase, than normal nights. It should be policed better by the Gardai who know its a troubled event. The college and the students union should refuse to have any part of it and step up security on campus. The Templars Hall Residents Association / Management Group (which a former SU President is/was involved in) should re-double their efforts (if possible) with security and the Gardai. Notify the college of offending students and householders along with the Gardai who I believe were to hand out warnings and take action.

Either way, I don't believe the efforts on paper or on the surface are making the blindest bit of a difference. So either its just something to please the locals by looking like your busy addressing the situation, or the measures being implemented are not working and thus something else needs to be done. You can't say its working and ramble with statistics, pictures and video evidence alone without counting eye witness accounts of the troubles prove that the systems are failing. No matter how cool you make your efforts sound.

Adyx · 03-03-2013 07:43PM

Tom_Cruise wrote: »

Im pretty sure students do buy drinks in pubs/clubs. Any student night i have been out on has been mental crazy with loads of people trying to get a drink at the bar! Of course , they pre-drink heavily and id say a lot of them bring alcohol out with them (plenty of nagen bottles lying around pub cubicles)

Any how, i wasn't serious in my original post - of course its all down to personal responsibility at the end of the day. Or maybe some people here are just getting old and cranky and cant see the funny side of it anymore

Well as someone who has experience from both sides of the bar on student nights including managerial positions I can tell you the pitiful amount bought by students would have very little to do with their intoxicated state. By the time they get to the clubs, they might have one drink and chances are that drink is stolen or they brought it in with them.

As for not being serious, well you just keep backtracking down from that moronic suggestion.

dzilla · 04-03-2013 12:53AM

I think its just a reflection on the quality of student WIT attracts

Alot of good students there doing good courses , but also alot of wild ones doing soft low point courses

Hoffmans · 04-03-2013 12:57AM

templars hall management co. fees , out of control students, property tax and water charges on the way bundled up with a big lump of negative equity , no wonder so many are emigrating out of the town....

theidiots · 04-03-2013 01:12AM

dzilla wrote: »

I think its just a reflection on the quality of student WIT attracts

Alot of good students there doing good courses , but also alot of wild ones doing soft low point courses

WWWWHHAAT????

Do you realize that every college has the same issues but Waterford is so small that there is only one area students ever go.

So if a person is doing a low point course there troublemakers, what are you on?

3hn2givr7mx1sc · 04-03-2013 01:25AM

Sully wrote: »

Also, the council brought in a by-law to stop drinking on the streets which doesn't appear to be enforced. It appears that the threats and strongly worded statements are just that - and because there is no tough enforcement nothing is done.

This law is very much being enforced, I know of at least six students who have received a €75 fine for drinking in public, all on the walk into town from Manor.
Pain the hole of a law, tbh.:pac:

04-03-2013 01:51AM

So is there anything to be said for a University?

:rolleyes:

opinionatedfan · 04-03-2013 01:51AM

been out as a student for the last three rag weeks in waterford, and this year was by far the quietest in terms of trouble.

templar's is no where near as bad/messy than say 3 years ago.

kaef · 04-03-2013 07:13AM

One of my friends owns house on Templars Hall. Met him a couple months ago, and he said three students left his house and they were his best tenants cause he had to repaint only two rooms, install new electric shower, new toilet, and new table and chairs in the kitchen. He was really happy and described it as a minimum damage.

dzilla · 04-03-2013 08:52AM

theidiots wrote: »

WWWWHHAAT????

Do you realize that every college has the same issues but Waterford is so small that there is only one area students ever go.

So if a person is doing a low point course there troublemakers, what are you on?

Stop being dramatic. I never said everyone doing low point courses

spankmemunkey · 07-03-2013 11:51AM

This was reported on in the News and Star under the headline ARMAGEDDON!

There were 20 arrests after the students assembled in the centre of town!

maltese falcon11 · 07-03-2013 04:29PM

Templars Hall during Wit Rag Week 2013 Part (1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2EqEKFWd44I

maltese falcon11 · 07-03-2013 04:36PM

Waterford City Centre during Wit Rag Week 2013 Part (2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puHasRvYp8Y

maltese falcon11 · 07-03-2013 04:38PM

Waterford City Centre during Rag Week 2013 Part (3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSwTPnANypI

Anybody seen Templars Hall Lately?

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