Anybody seen Templars Hall Lately?

spankmemunkey · 01-03-2013 01:14PM #1

Drove through there yesterday, My God what a dump, I feel sorry for the residents who bought houses and the people who have to live with all those students, it was a complete mess and ive never seen so many cars parked in a housing estate. There was no access to footpaths as cars have been parked on and all over them, Ive seen 6 and 7 cars parked in and around one house and this seemed to be the theme for most houses, what a mess indeed, That housing estate looks like it could do with a good bull dozering, really doesnt look nice seems soulless, I think the students think they have a god given right to do what they want, I also think that the social aspect of college life is really being pushed to the max,

Finnbar01 · 01-03-2013 02:18PM

What possesed people to buy houses there? I remember when I was looking to buy my first house and someone suggested Templar's Hall, it was a new development back then. No way, I said to myself. That place is going to be over run by students and we all know what students are going to be like (yes, yes, not all students are bad, I know).

spankmemunkey · 01-03-2013 02:35PM

Finnbar01 wrote: »

What possesed people to buy houses there? I remember when I was looking to buy my first house and someone suggested Templar's Hall, it was a new development back then. No way, I said to myself. That place is going to be over run by students and we all know what students are going to be like (yes, yes, not all students are bad, I know).

I tell ye i wouldnt have it if i lived there, what if you wanted to go out with the kids for a walk, the footh paths are all impassable! not to mention pee on the street and bottles and cans! Im surprised we havent read more about it.

Jason Todd · 01-03-2013 02:42PM

I can't believe more hasn't been made of the fact that yet again the students made a show of themselves and the college this Rag Week. I know of one taxi driver who had to forcibly remove a group of students from his 8-seater cab as one of them was pissing in the back of it while the rest were laughing on Tuesday night. Not to mention the videos on YouTube of the girl getting her top ripped off in view of Gardai, the guy ****ting on the wall on Parnell St and the guy hanging bollock-naked from the lamppost of KFC.

They should do away with the whole thing. And before people start calling me fuddy-duddy, I was a student myself in WIT only 5 years ago and I thought the whole thing was stupid then too, but every year it gets more out of hand.

Cabaal · 01-03-2013 02:48PM

Finnbar01 wrote: »

What possesed people to buy houses there? I remember when I was looking to buy my first house and someone suggested Templar's Hall, it was a new development back then. No way, I said to myself. That place is going to be over run by students and we all know what students are going to be like (yes, yes, not all students are bad, I know).

Houses were cheaper but then we can say what a bad decision it was for people to buy there, but thats with hindsight.

Regardless of how close to the college it may be people deserve to live in peace and not be kept up all night with partys, have to avoid broken glass everywhere and have to walk on the road due to people's illegal parking.

spankmemunkey · 01-03-2013 02:58PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Houses were cheaper but then we can say what a bad decision it was for people to buy there, but thats with hindsight.

Regardless of how close to the college it may be people deserve to live in peace and not be kept up all night with partys, have to avoid broken glass everywhere and have to walk on the road due to people's illegal parking.

Is there a residents association? I have to say whenever i hear adds for colleges advertised i have to laugh they try sell the night life in the city too, Its a bit defeatist and it then becomes acceptable when you say ah well they will do it anyway, but if its frowned upon and we dont say do what you want as a student maybe it wouldnt be so bad, Its almost now like students think its part of their college and their right to get absolutely Sh;t faced and do all the bad stuff while away from home, It does seem to be getting worse and worse, I think the whole arguement of alcohol and alcohol abuse should also be brought into light a discussion we had not so long ago on here!

spankmemunkey · 01-03-2013 03:17PM

Jason Todd wrote: »

I can't believe more hasn't been made of the fact that yet again the students made a show of themselves and the college this Rag Week. I know of one taxi driver who had to forcibly remove a group of students from his 8-seater cab as one of them was pissing in the back of it while the rest were laughing on Tuesday night. Not to mention the videos on YouTube of the girl getting her top ripped off in view of Gardai, the guy ****ting on the wall on Parnell St and the guy hanging bollock-naked from the lamppost of KFC.

They should do away with the whole thing. And before people start calling me fuddy-duddy, I was a student myself in WIT only 5 years ago and I thought the whole thing was stupid then too, but every year it gets more out of hand.

Have you got a link for this, I searched youtube but could only see them all on the street! didnt see any pooing or toplessness! must be blind!

Jason Todd · 01-03-2013 03:56PM

spankmemunkey wrote: »

Have you got a link for this, I searched youtube but could only see them all on the street! didnt see any pooing or toplessness! must be blind!

I'll have a look when I get home, my girlfriend showed me 2 of the videos and a guy I worked with showed me the other. This is good though: http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2013/02/28/wit-students-celebrate-rag-week-outside-future-fast-food-job-prospects/

HUNDREDS of Waterford students gathered outside their future fast food job prospects last night to celebrate WIT rag week, it was reported today.

An estimated 2,000 young men and women spilled onto the busy streets shortly after closing time to pay homage to their future place in society.

“Tis quair mad here so tis.” said topless Wexford man Martin Brophy. “Der’s young wans runnin’ round with their tits out and everything.

“Its like MTV spring break America or something.” he added, while climbing a sign post.

Gardai said that due to outdated closing-time laws, bus loads of scantily clad, barely legal teens swarmed Waterford’s ‘going out street’ at approximately 2am, leaving many fast food businesses inundated with orders from potential future employees.

The already under-manned, under-paid Gardai battled throughout the night to disperse the drunken crowd of kebab munchers.

Several young men resorted to climbing one fast food outlet in a bid to secure their future roles as fast food workers.

“Its all about conquering and showing the competition that this is your territory.” said Carlow young fella Tony Mackay.

Fast food business owner, Mohammed Petal, told WWN that he expects to receive CV’s from at least half of the people he served over the past few days.

“Its a vicious circle.” he explained. “People in Ireland go to college, get drunk and abuse fast food workers like us and think its funny. Its not!

“What is funny tho is the fact that these same people will fail their exams, drop out of college and end up handing in their CV’s to us looking for work. ” he concluded.

Finnbar01 · 01-03-2013 04:15PM

Cabaal wrote: »

Houses were cheaper but then we can say what a bad decision it was for people to buy there, but thats with hindsight.

It had nothing to do with hindsight at all. I wasn't the only person thinking what a nightmare that place was going to turn into.

ziedth · 01-03-2013 04:20PM

Hi all,

I deleted a post of with a pic of the topless girl. First off we can't be sure is she is 18 so I'm playing it safe and most importantly to me IMO it's not right to have it up here. fire away on Any other pics (within reason) but I'd prefer if we didn't go down that road.

Any questions or comments PM me.

Cheers

spankmemunkey · 01-03-2013 04:26PM

Does anybody know how many owner occupiers there are in Templars Hall?

I mean i think most of you can agree this is totally unacceptable the behaviour and the way things have gone there, I think the council and the neighbour hood association should bill WIT for any damage caused maybe they would be more vigilant about how their students behave if they were faced with fines or punishment, they are reaping the financial rewards of the students attending the college so they should be help responsible!

Jason Todd · 01-03-2013 04:27PM

ziedth wrote: »

Hi all,

I deleted a post of with a pic of the topless girl. First off we can't be sure is she is 18 so I'm playing it safe and most importantly to me IMO it's not right to have it up here. fire away on Any other pics (within reason) but I'd prefer if we didn't go down that road.

Any questions or comments PM me.

Cheers

Sorry Ziedth, I never even thought of the legal implication for ye. I took the pics from a Facebook page.

funkyouup · 01-03-2013 04:34PM

spankmemunkey wrote: »

Does anybody know how many owner occupiers there are in Templars Hall?

I mean i think most of you can agree this is totally unacceptable the behaviour and the way things have gone there, I think the council and the neighbour hood association should bill WIT for any damage caused maybe they would be more vigilant about how their students behave if they were faced with fines or punishment, they are reaping the financial rewards of the students attending the college so they should be help responsible!

I dont know what planet your on lad but that college dont give one **** about templars hall, that place has just gotten worse and worse( and it was bad enough 8 or so years ago)

ziedth · 01-03-2013 04:37PM

Why should WIT have to pay though? For Christ sake these people are for the most part fully grown adults. If we had a boards beers and trashed the exchange you would hardly think Boards should pay.

I fully agree that antisocial behavior should lead to a student being expelled but the responsibility is on the students

Finnbar01 · 01-03-2013 04:42PM

ziedth wrote: »

Why should WIT have to pay though? For Christ sake these people are for the most part fully grown adults. If we had a boards beers and trashed the exchange you would hardly think Boards should pay.

I fully agree that antisocial behavior should lead to a student being expelled but the responsibility is on the students

I agree with you. And the thing is, if WIT were made to pay, at the end of the day it would be us, the taxpayer, paying the bill.

funkyouup · 01-03-2013 04:49PM

They arent in anyway liable for what these "adults" do when they leave the college grounds, being realistic i dont think their is a solution to it, any families living their are stuck and any landlords will be only to happy to keep collecting the rent. Intermitent garda presence and a bit of a write up in the paper every so often, and lets not forget here where apparently the county council read but nothing really changes unfortunately.

Jason Todd · 01-03-2013 05:11PM

ziedth wrote: »

Why should WIT have to pay though? For Christ sake these people are for the most part fully grown adults. If we had a boards beers and trashed the exchange you would hardly think Boards should pay.

I fully agree that antisocial behavior should lead to a student being expelled but the responsibility is on the students

Finnbar01 wrote: »

I agree with you. And the thing is, if WIT were made to pay, at the end of the day it would be us, the taxpayer, paying the bill.

What if the WIT introduced some sort of strike system, so that if a student stepped out of line (ie. a law is broken) too many times, letters would go home to mammy and daddy, and then credits or marks may be removed and ultimately expulsion may occur.

That way the WIT is not directly responsible for any damage they incur but that it can help discipline someone along with any Gardai punishment.

ziedth · 01-03-2013 05:20PM

Jason Todd wrote: »

What if the WIT introduced some sort of strike system, so that if a student stepped out of line (ie. a law is broken) too many times, letters would go home to mammy and daddy, and then credits or marks may be removed and ultimately expulsion may occur.

That way the WIT is not directly responsible for any damage they incur but that it can help discipline someone along with any Gardai punishment.

I think it's a great idea. Youd think theyll have to try something.

It's probably around 10 years since the day I started college but we don't seem 10% as bad looking back then today and there was allot more money around then and all.

wobbles · 01-03-2013 05:31PM

WIT can in no way discipline students for what they do off college campus. Exactly the same way an employee is free to do what they want when not working.

I posted this in the other thread from last years rag week, but there are more to blame than just students. Landlords should be evicting students who are anti-social. Gardai should be arresting anyone being anti-social in town. Fine clubs and pubs for serving alcohol to people clearly too drunk. Introduce a closing time for fast food places for Rag week. If they have nothing to do in town after closing time they will go home.

Ultimately, students are to blame but the fact that the students causing all this harm are getting away with it, means each year it will get worse, and more people involved since they can get away with it.

Finnbar01 · 01-03-2013 05:36PM

ziedth wrote: »

I think it's a great idea. Youd think theyll have to try something.

It's probably around 10 years since the day I started college but we don't seem 10% as bad looking back then today and there was allot more money around then and all.

I remember a time where students would literally share pints when going out and buying a sandwich between two.

gw80 · 01-03-2013 05:36PM

as far as i know the college does have someone out there on certain nights patroling and there is a punishment scheme in place,it a three strikes and the registered tenant or tenants get a fine.

looksee · 01-03-2013 05:39PM

wobbles wrote: »

WIT can in no way discipline students for what they do off college campus. Exactly the same way an employee is free to do what they want when not working.

I posted this in the other thread from last years rag week, but there are more to blame than just students. Landlords should be evicting students who are anti-social. Gardai should be arresting anyone being anti-social in town. Fine clubs and pubs for serving alcohol to people clearly too drunk. Introduce a closing time for fast food places for Rag week. If they have nothing to do in town after closing time they will go home.

Ultimately, students are to blame but the fact that the students causing all this harm are getting away with it, means each year it will get worse, and more people involved since they can get away with it.

WIT could stop ragweek which would at least be a statement of their views. Further if students had to sign an agreement to the effect that they would be out if they 'acted in a manner that would bring the college into disrepute' - which would not include legitimate protests - then the college could do just that.

The whole thing about students not being the only ones responsible is ridiculous. The publicans and fast food places are acting just the same for the rest of the year and the rest of the populace isn't behaving like morons.

Finnbar01 · 01-03-2013 05:39PM

Jason Todd wrote: »

What if the WIT introduced some sort of strike system, so that if a student stepped out of line (ie. a law is broken) too many times, letters would go home to mammy and daddy, and then credits or marks may be removed and ultimately expulsion may occur.

That way the WIT is not directly responsible for any damage they incur but that it can help discipline someone along with any Gardai punishment.

Yes the strike system seems a good idea but unfortunately I'd say it wouldn't stand up in a court of law.

I don't understand why Gardaí are not arresting and charging people with breaking the law?

Jason Todd · 01-03-2013 05:53PM

Finnbar01 wrote: »

Yes the strike system seems a good idea but unfortunately I'd say it wouldn't stand up in a court of law.

I don't understand why Gardaí are not arresting and charging people with breaking the law?

Last time a Guard was asked about this (that I know of) they said in most cases they are advised to just leave the students at it, obviously until there is major property damage or someone gets properly injured, but it's not ideal to wade in arresting people as they may antagonise a situation and all of a sudden they are outnumbered and faceless scumbags may take the opportunity to land a blow on a Guard without fear of incrimination. There are very few Gardai around at 4 in the morning when you think about it.

Unfortunately it doesn't look like we'll be getting more Gardai on the streets anytime soon either.

wobbles · 01-03-2013 05:55PM

looksee wrote: »

WIT could stop ragweek which would at least be a statement of their views. Further if students had to sign an agreement to the effect that they would be out if they 'acted in a manner that would bring the college into disrepute' - which would not include legitimate protests - then the college could do just that.

The whole thing about students not being the only ones responsible is ridiculous. The publicans and fast food places are acting just the same for the rest of the year and the rest of the populace isn't behaving like morons.

They already are under something that says they cant bring the college into dispute. I remember reading something like that when i started college years ago. But that was the last i heard of it so its not enforced.

WIT can cancel RAG week, but it will not stop the students. Official or not, there will always be a RAG week.

The rest of the populace are not morons, but there is a small percentage of students and there friends who are. Publicans have a responsibility to not serve people completely pissed. How many people do you think they refused during RAG week.......

Your Airbag · 01-03-2013 06:01PM

Jason Todd wrote: »

Not to mention the videos on YouTube of the girl getting her top ripped off in view of Gardai, the guy ****ting on the wall on Parnell St and the guy hanging bollock-naked from the lamppost of KFC.

Links plz

Jason Todd · 01-03-2013 06:30PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Links plz

I already had a post deleted which featured a video and photos. Like I said earlier, I was shown 3 of the videos on other people's Facebook, I didn't have access to all of them myself, sorry. I'll try track them down later.

johnnykilo · 01-03-2013 06:43PM

It should be remembered that a considerable number of these people aren't WIT students either. They may be friends of WIT students down for Rag week, people in FAS, people in the College of Further Education in Parnell street, people from other colleges up the country who come down for a night or two of rag week in Waterford.

I'm not defending this stupid behaviour in any way just saying that even if WIT did implement a tougher policy some of this would still go on as some of the people doing it are not WIT students. Anyway as someone else mentioned WIT do have an anti-social behaviour policy for a number of years. I think it's mostly down to problems with the landlords and if the landlords report the students then WIT will take it seriously, but obviously unless a student is thrashing the house they're renting then the landlord probably doesn't care what they get up to.

The only way to stop this is either ban rag week, in which case I'm sure the clubs would still come up with some unofficial rag week or else get some garda re-enforcements in for the week and have a zero tolerance policy.

mooseknunkle · 01-03-2013 07:33PM

Your Airbag wrote: »

Links plz

cant really identify people from these pics so maybe are ok?

spankmemunkey · 01-03-2013 08:01PM

My earlier point was that something must be done and someone must be held accountable, students cant be allowed run amock and people say its rag week what can you do!

The College does have to accept that it is out of hand, that there are problems because of their students taking over housing estates and creating misery for other residents and dont forget wasting Guarda time they had to stand there and watch them do this.

WIT have to review this and see what can be done, looking at all the avenues the only ones that can do anything are the college, We all know they are students from wit and they are bringing the college into disrepute!

The behaviour is unnaceptable and i really do feel sorry for the residents of T H

johnnykilo · 01-03-2013 09:52PM

spankmemunkey wrote: »

My earlier point was that something must be done and someone must be held accountable, students cant be allowed run amock and people say its rag week what can you do!

The College does have to accept that it is out of hand, that there are problems because of their students taking over housing estates and creating misery for other residents and dont forget wasting Guarda time they had to stand there and watch them do this.

WIT have to review this and see what can be done, looking at all the avenues the only ones that can do anything are the college, We all know they are students from wit and they are bringing the college into disrepute!

The behaviour is unnaceptable and i really do feel sorry for the residents of T H

Yes someone must be held accountable; the students, What the hell ever happened to personal responsibility in this country!? We all agree the behaviour is unacceptable but I don't see how WIT can police what students do outside WIT in housing estates, in clubs and on John Street (Yes in an ideal world, but legally they don't really have a leg to stand on).

They could ban Rag Week, but the clubs in town would still promote it. As far as I'm aware the college has very little to do with Rag week, I'm not even sure if they officially recognise it anymore (I'm open to correction on this though). The students union on the other hand are involved, but then again I think it may only be events in the college not any of the events in town which everyone is complaining about.

The only way this will stop is to get more police involved and have a zero tolerance policy. If they Gardai could charge these people maybe then the college could do something about it, but until they have actually been charged with someting there's not much anyone can do.

Anybody seen Templars Hall Lately?

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