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Poll in After Hours by Anti's on Hare Coursing.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,083 ✭✭✭meoklmrk91


    Cass wrote: »
    I'll start with this post;

    My apologies. You quoted my entire post instead of multi-quoting, and i read your response outside of that quote which said "what load of one sided crap". I thought it was referring to my post. i did not see your responses in my post until you edited them to highlight them. So apologies.

    :D Apologies, I was om my phone and didn't think about how awful that response would be to read. Should have tried to make it clearer.
    Cass wrote: »
    I was referring to the polite conversation between myself, and Cocolola. Might be a few more than 10 or even a few less, but i was referring to what kind of conversation/debate is needed. It's a rarity to ba able to discuss it without name calling.

    I did see those but it was the earlier posts that got my hackles up. Your right it is a rarity and that's a pity, it needs to happen more, for me it's not about trying to change people's opinions, I just want to understand the other side and try to see if there is some sort of middle ground that can be reached for both parties.
    Cass wrote: »
    No doubt, and they are to be commended for their hard work.

    However i am referring to groups that claim to be all for the welfare of animals, then act improperly and cause problems. Such as the breaking into the mink farm, and release of thousands of mink into the countryside. They saw this as a victory, Now hunters are being employed, and asked to actively hunt these mink as they are devastating our natural fauna. Action without though of consequence.

    You will have no disagreement with me there and I have started I understand why hunters/coursers do not want to engage with these people in anyway. They are extremists and I personally feel that they are doing more harm than good to their causes although I share some of their sentiments. I would like to see hunters and coursers dispel some of the myths and that's why I would like to see them let TV cameras into meets, show that they have nothing to hide. For hunters to show how well they treat their dogs and how they are looking after our countryside and helping. The fact that like you said hunters are being employed to remove the mink that were released should be publicised, that is good work that is being done but I haven't heard a thing about it.
    Cass wrote: »
    I would love to be able to get my points across, and listen to rebuttals or "their side". If only they were as reasoned as the few (yourself included) that have posted here tonight. However years of previous dealings with them have shown this not to be the case or possible.[\QUOTE]

    The funny thing is I feel exactly the same way about hunters/coursers and a few others with regards to animal welfare :).
    Cass wrote: »
    I in no way defend or would try to defend the actions of any hunter that acts irresponsibly or without thought for their actions. Yes, they also give us a black eye with their actions. However they are not seeking to destroy our way of life. Plus the law will deal with the hunters. As firearms owners the Gardaí know everything, and i mean everything about us. These extremists are anonymous posters, bar a few public figures, that slander us with outrageous names, and accusations.

    Fair point, it's unfair for people to be making accusations particularly slanderous ones while they remain faceless. However the vast majority of those I know in animal welfare are in no way involved in any of this and would have no personal vendetta against people involvled in coursing or hunting, although the vast majority would be against the latter. However like I said I have seen hunting dogs come in a very bad state, enormous vets bills and never claimed by their owners, I know a rescue that had serious trouble with hunters illegally hunting on their land and killing cats that were living happily for years on the rescues land as they weren't re-home forable for whatever reason. Of a hunt that went on someones property despite their objection and their hounds killed a number of rescue cats.I have many more stories like this. And that is their main issue with hunters.

    Their main issue with coursers, is that they (and myself) believe that it is wrong for an animal to suffer for human entertainment and have you ever tried to re-home a blooded dog, these dogs aren't kept as pets after they retire and trying to re-home a greyhound in the country is hard enough due to people believing that they need lots of exercise, that they are inhertently viscous and that they don't make good pets that they are being sent to the UK, the US, Canade and Italy on a regular basis in order to find them homes. Then you have to discount anyone with a small dog or cat, and then you have to tell people that the dog will have to be wearing a muzzle whenever they go for walks and that they will try and kill any small dog or cat they see.

    More greyhounds are put down in Irish pounds each year than any other breed, and it's not because they are being bred in puppy farms they are the waste product of sports that no longer have any use for them, and is as much a waste of tax payer money as those minks that were released, if not more so because this goes on year in and year out. The greyhound racing industry is to blame for a lot of this but blooded dogs are a common occurrence in rescue.

    Cass wrote: »
    I don't know. There is more than hunters involved in fox hunting. We provide a service for land owners, farmers, and the Government in the form of population control, and livestock protection. It is afforded no protection other than basic animal rights in relation to humane dispatch, etc.
    Absolutely agree that you are providing an invaluable service.
    Cass wrote: »
    Agreed. See above.[\QUOTE]
    Cass wrote: »
    As were we. We would welcome the resumption of reasoned, and level headed debate, but thus far have gotten nothing.

    Not to dismiss it, but we will not know until it's passed. I doubt it myself, but thought the same about Stag Hunt. [\QUOTE]

    I don't think it will pass either, this time, but I do think that there is very real support behind this and while they are the loudest the extremists are only a very small portion of those that oppose it.
    Cass wrote: »
    For years hunters, and field sports people kept their heads down, did not engage in any sort of rebuttal of accusations, and definitely not on any sort of meaningful or sustained level. All the while letters, e-mails, Tweets, messages on Facebook were being sent out saying how hunters were involved in the most horrible of offences. When we looked into it they were "normal" events or situations blown completely out of proportion to invoke sympathy for their cause.

    Do you have any examples of this I could look at, not questioning, just interested.
    Cass wrote: »
    Then at these meets why does someone not reprot it to the Gardaí. If they are breaking the law then the Gardaí will deal with it.
    I don't know, I do not attend these meets, nor am I involved in the movement to get them banned. However there is very clear proof that this is happening, I have seen it.
    Cass wrote: »
    Their choice. I don't get Cycling, Cricket, Horse racing, Greyhound racing. Yet i don't call for a ban. I leave the people to their sport.

    Do you have any reason to? Do you believe that these people are doing something wrong? When you see a game of cricket does it offend you and make you sick to your stomach? It's not really about not getting it it's about inherently believing that what is happening is wrong.
    Cass wrote: »
    I know the program, and watched it myself. However i have to repeat my previous comments about being stung before, and being overly cautious. When you get the same treatment for so long it's hard to break a trend. Same with the poll on AH. Previously such polls would swing in favour of the "anti" view. However when any hunter voted we were accused of orchestrating some sort of mass voting. Not the case.

    Okay I do get the overly cautious part, but the only way that you are going to change people's minds or at the very least get them to see your point of view is to let them see exactly what it is, most of the population have probably never seen a coursing event. Hiding it is only going to further fuel the fire. And in fairness with the whole AH thing, yes was winning by quite a bit before this thread was started so you can't blame people for questioning it IMHO.
    Cass wrote: »
    Not being smart, but we simply outnumber most groups if not all of them. So when we take the time to actually "put pen to paper" (which we do not always do) we can show what we think, and unlike others that would vote and stay sitting in their chair in their front room, we vote because it effects us directly. I mean if hare coursing or fox hunting was banned would it have any direct effect on your life (other than your feelings towards it). For most of us it would mean thousands of Euro in "wasted" firearms, lost birds from breeding programs, lost money from membership to clubs, and through insurance, etc.

    Big numbers means more lobbying power you are right. But I do believe that it is only a matter of time before its banned, we are only one do three countries in Europe that still allow it. No it wouldn't effect me personally, I will be honest, but nobody talking about an all out ban in field sports. Just coursing, I don't believe that it should be kept going for any reason, be it money, tradition, culture.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,285 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    meoklmrk91 wrote: »
    Hares are still being mauled and killed at meets, simply not good enough. It got them many more years of coursing and the hares weren't being ripped to shreds anymore. Honestly can't understand why anyone would want anything to do with the sport of they weren't muzzled tbh.

    Oh forgot to say lads I am in no way asking anyone to sit down with extremists, it would just a be a waste of time and do no one any good. But sometimes it seems like hunting, coursing etc are very closed off, people are often very defensive, desmissive and unwilling to have a conversation

    Can you understand WHY ???As people are sick and tired of having their side of the story twisted by liberal anti fieldsports or gun ownership agenda driven programmes...And please dont try and deny that this doesnt happen either..
    When was the last time you saw on any US or UK Tv programme either gun owners or hunters protrayed in a positive light???

    For instance there was some TV show that tried to get in to film coursing and they werent allowed in, instead the cameras were outside with the protestors. Only one side of the story was told that day and it made it look like the coursers had something horrible to hide.

    Well,would you let in a "film crew" that decided to kill a hare with a snare in the enclosure and then make it out to be a "dying hare" from the activity,and then your Swedish or wherever film crew buggers off and refuses to be interviewed by AGS or whomever about the incident.But hand the antis a propaganda coup??Of course no one wants the opposite side to have another freebie.
    But then again why do the Antis have to wear ski masks when they are on "peaceful demos??"As has happened here in Ireland???

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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,786 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    meoklmrk91 wrote: »
    I would like to see hunters and coursers dispel some of the myths and that's why I would like to see them let TV cameras into meets, show that they have nothing to hide. For hunters to show how well they treat their dogs and how they are looking after our countryside and helping.
    I am not involved in coursing so cannot speak to anything o their behalf. At the risk of repeating myself the level of distrust is still to high for them to believe that any documentary, program or viewing by outside sources would be unbiased.
    The fact that like you said hunters are being employed to remove the mink that were released should be publicised, that is good work that is being done but I haven't heard a thing about it.
    It gets a inch or two in a column, on the back pages of local papers. The only new reporting on it was last week in the daily mail when they admitted it was a huge problem, and needed more extensive solution.
    However the vast majority of those I know in animal welfare are in no way involved in any of this and would have no personal vendetta against people involvled in coursing or hunting . ........
    These are the people that need help, support, media exposure, and financing. However they most times get mixed in with other groups (whether associated to them or not) that people do not support, and suffer as a result.

    In relation to the dogs, and rehoming, i can fully understand such issues, and it's not just hunters. Other people not associated to hunters can be equally as cruel. However this is not the forum or place for such a debate (would need a thread of it's own).
    I don't think it will pass either, this time, but I do think that there is very real support behind this and while they are the loudest the extremists are only a very small portion of those that oppose it.
    There are TDs that would support such a thing based on their own opinion. They are in a position to do something about it. So it's possible in the future, but it will not, if passed, do so quickly or easily.
    Do you have any examples of this I could look at, not questioning, just interested.
    God, that could take some time. Will try and source some of them and post here when i get them.
    However there is very clear proof that this is happening, I have seen it.
    Not being a smart arse, but if there is then report such things. This is my point about "baseless accusations". If people are breaking the law then they deserve the punishment they receive. Sitting back knowing, or saying it's happening and doing nothing is as bad as being directly involved themselves. However the lack of reports or lack of arrest/prosecutions would make me wonder at the validity of such claims. I mean any group, extremist or not, with solid proof should be drooling at the prospect of shutting down an event they dislike.
    When you see a game of cricket does it offend you and make you sick to your stomach?
    Yeah, but again a topic for another thread/forum. :D
    It's not really about not getting it it's about inherently believing that what is happening is wrong.
    I understand what you are saying, and my examples are piss poor. However my point is there are things in this world that i don't agree with, and dislike however i do not make it my business to try and actively destroy it. Especially if it's legal. Like horse racing. Sitting on top of a horse, and whipping the arse of it to make it run in a circle for entertaiment. I don't get it, don't understand it, and don't like it. However i respect the rights of people that do love it, and respect their legal right to take part, and enjoy their sport. BTW i'm not a horse fan. Don't trust them. They are sneaky at the front, and back and devious in between. :D (going to get grief now for using horse racing instead of something else as my example)
    Okay I do get the overly cautious part, but the only way that you are going to change people's minds or at the very least get them to see your point of view is to let them see exactly what it is, most of the population have probably never seen a coursing event. Hiding it is only going to further fuel the fire
    Possibly. However you will not dispel years of mistrust on both sides anytime soon.
    And in fairness with the whole AH thing, yes was winning by quite a bit before this thread was started so you can't blame people for questioning it IMHO.
    The two times i checked it was by 10% then 3%, and they were before 2pm today.

    That aside i still do not like the attitude of some people involved. The attitude was that hunters are somehow are less entitled to vote because they hunt. Would it not stand to reason that those opposed to hunting/coursing should not vote either. I mean did you vote? Was it yes or no? Surely your opinions are going to bias your vote. The end result was more for coursing voted than against. Shows that more people for coursing took the time to vote. Back to bigger numbers. We have them. That's not a brag it's a fact.

    It's the same when it comes to writing to papers, sites, etc. where similar debates are going on. Were we to get 1% of the entire field sport people to respond it would Dwarf the number the write in to support an anti hunting view point. The only difference between us and them is their ability to make a sustained campaign of writing. Ask sometime about the 2% rule.
    ......... we are only one do three countries in Europe that still allow it.
    If it were to be banned i would like to think it was after a long, and detailed study of the sport. not due to political pressure to follow suit. Ireland ha a reputation of following the PR line, and ignoring the ones that do not suit.
    No it wouldn't effect me personally, I will be honest, but nobody talking about an all out ban in field sports. Just coursing, I don't believe that it should be kept going for any reason, be it money, tradition, culture.
    There is the thing, and i touched on it with Cocolola. Today it's coursing, tomorrow foxing, next day deer hunting. As Cocolola pointed out it's mandated by their very name. So this is not only about coursing, and it's the reason why all hunters will support their fellow sportsmen/women. They know to have a "mé fein" attittude is short sighted, and self serving.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,285 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    meoklmrk91 wrote: »
    You will have no disagreement with me there and I have started I understand why hunters/coursers do not want to engage with these people in anyway. They are extremists and I personally feel that they are doing more harm than good to their causes although I share some of their sentiments
    Trouble is they are your oral minority who shout the loudest and drown out any chance of a rational debate.
    I would like to see hunters and coursers dispel some of the myths and that's why I would like to see them let TV cameras into meets, show that they have nothing to hide.
    Even if they did there would be still a bunch who would complain of a "cover up" as ICABS did with the Hector goes hunting episode.. ICABS claimed it never showed digging out and that was never alluded to in the programme.
    Simple fact is were one 100% open there would be still unsatisified people with agendas out there.
    For hunters to show how well they treat their dogs and how they are looking after our countryside and helping. The fact that like you said hunters are being employed to remove the mink that were released should be publicised, that is good work that is being done but I haven't heard a thing about it
    Of course not,as it is somthing pro for our side and no one wants to hear that!!!Did you know for example that Irish target shooters bring home more silver and gold medals from the European and Commonwealth games than any other sport???Of course not,as it isnt "newsworthy" because it involves shooting!!We might get a inch or two past the obituraies and before the porn line numbers start.:rolleyes:
    So do you think any paper will say "Irish shooters are doing a free service by trapping a dangerous bad temperd rodent in its thousands and keeping our wildlife in order and costing the taxpayer not a red cent in doing so!":rolleyes:
    Fair point, it's unfair for people to be making accusations particularly slanderous ones while they remain faceless. However the vast majority of those I know in animal welfare are in no way involved in any of this and would have no personal vendetta against people involvled in coursing or hunting, although the vast majority would be against the latter.
    But the majority is silent on this issue too,and silence on an issue can be taken as tacit approval of the actions of the few...
    We'd have to see some serious condemnation of these actions by mainstream groups before anyone would belive you.
    I don't think it will pass either, this time, but I do think that there is very real support behind this and while they are the loudest the extremists are only a very small portion of those that oppose it.

    Do you have any examples of this I could look at, not questioning, just interested.

    I don't know, I do not attend these meets, nor am I involved in the movement to get them banned. However there is very clear proof that this is happening, I have seen it.

    Do you have any reason to? Do you believe that these people are doing something wrong? When you see a game of cricket does it offend you and make you sick to your stomach? It's not really about not getting it it's about inherently believing that what is happening is wrong.
    There are lots of things in society that makes me sick to my stomach too,and I belive are plain wrong too.But I accept that living in a Western secular democratic society I have to accept other peoples POV and traditions and ways...I and many others would appreciate if our lifestyles were afforded the same and equal respect..
    Okay I do get the overly cautious part, but the only way that you are going to change people's minds or at the very least get them to see your point of view is to let them see exactly what it is, most of the population have probably never seen a coursing event. Hiding it is only going to further fuel the fire
    Nothing stopping any member of the GP from attending ANY fieldsports meet,so I dont see where this hiding bit is coming from???All they have to do is go and inform themselves if intrested...But maybe its easier these days to be told what to think and have a "Opinion.Ready Made":( for you to stick in your head and parrot back??
    And in fairness with the whole AH thing, yes was winning by quite a bit before this thread was started so you can't blame people for questioning it IMHO.
    Well ,as it has been claimed the majority of Irish people oppose bloodsports....etc...etc. Where are they???There should have been a 2 to 1 majority at least voting here on that poll just from reading boards and not minding going on about rigged polls .TBH somone stuck their head in a wasps nest and thought they would not get stung!
    Big numbers means more lobbying power you are right. But I do believe that it is only a matter of time before its banned, we are only one do three countries in Europe that still allow it. No it wouldn't effect me personally, I will be honest, but nobody talking about an all out ban in field sports. Just coursing, I don't believe that it should be kept going for any reason, be it money, tradition, culture.

    And what happens then??Do the extremists then hang up their balaclavas and placards and decomission their firebombs?? Saying "coursing is banned,job done lets take up tiddlywinks!!" If you belive that you are sadly mistaken.Next it will be shooting,and already they have done enough thru various organisations to try for gun bans and hunting bans,then its fishing,then owning a pet,then its not eating meat. IOW a total "animal abuse " free vegan society.All you have to do is abit of research on these facets of the animal rights campaign.It is horrific to see how far they will go with this cult of speciesism.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24 paddy the man


    Pro's for Coursing:
    Long tradition and brings money to local economy
    Heavily regulated by goverment
    Dogs muzzled so fatality rate for Hares has decreased
    Coursing clubs carry out predator control on Foxes to help protect Hare
    Coursing clubs often prevent people shooting Hares on their lands
    Hares are wormed and fed well when in captivity
    After Coursing Hare is tagged and released (tagged animals not used again)


    Con's for Coursing:
    4% fatality rate for Hares involved. Capture Myopathy main cause.
    Hares are captured in Nets prior to the Coursing meeting. Usually several weeks previous.
    Hares held in artifically high numbers in captivity
    Coursing meeting often held during breeding season. Breeding season: Jan-Sept
    Being chased by dogs, held in captivity, handled by people unpleasant for the Hare
    The effects of hare coursing on wild Hare populations are not known.
    Introduced Brown Hares from Coursing clubs hybridise with Native Irish Hare


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 934 ✭✭✭robertpatterson


    Pro's for Coursing:
    Long tradition and brings money to local economy
    Heavily regulated by goverment
    Dogs muzzled so fatality rate for Hares has decreased
    Coursing clubs carry out predator control on Foxes to help protect Hare
    Coursing clubs often prevent people shooting Hares on their lands
    Hares are wormed and fed well when in captivity
    After Coursing Hare is tagged and released (tagged animals not used again)


    Con's for Coursing:
    4% fatality rate for Hares involved. Capture Myopathy main cause.
    Hares are captured in Nets prior to the Coursing meeting. Usually several weeks previous.
    Hares held in artifically high numbers in captivity
    Coursing meeting often held during breeding season. Breeding season: Jan-Sept
    Being chased by dogs, held in captivity, handled by people unpleasant for the Hare
    The effects of hare coursing on wild Hare populations are not known.
    Introduced Brown Hares from Coursing clubs hybridise with Native Irish Hare





    Last coursing meeting is in early February


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,301 ✭✭✭yubabill1


    my thanks to Sparks for posting in ICABS watch today

    Editor, Irish Examiner

    Sir,

    John Fitzgerald’s letter today 4/3/13 purports that hares were mauled in the footage he describes. Having been arrested approximately 11 times for animal rights radical activities, but never having been charged, he is probably well-versed in precise use of langauge.
    I would ask any fair-minded readers to look-up the precise meaning of “maul” and then make up their own minds.
    At least he is no longer claiming that the majority of Irish people are in favour of banning hunting, following a poll prompted by the same ICABS website on hare coursing:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056890887

    He probably won’t be quoting this one.

    sincerely


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Sent to the Examiner this morning:
    A reason for hare coursing

    Dear Sir,
    On Monday, John Fitzgerald complained that there was no excuse for hare coursing. Scientific studies (such as Reid N., Magee C. and Montgomery W. I. 2010. Integrating field sports, hare population management and conservation. Acta Theriologica 55: 61–71) have shown that in areas where coursing clubs operate, the Irish Hare population levels are between ten and one hundred times higher than in comparable areas where coursing clubs do not operate. The studies put this down to better feeding of the hares in captivity, control of their natural predators, better veterinary care, allowing them an advantage when returned to the wild. These studies also videotaped coursing meets and found that when analysing thousands of directly observed runs, mortality occurred in 1.9% of those runs, not the inaccurate and misleading non-figure of "many" that John Fitzgerald quotes. And while the most recent figures are unpublished as yet, it appears that number has fallen to under 1%.

    I neither hunt nor course; but even I can accept the continued survival and thriving of the Irish Hare - a species recently listed as having a conservation status of "poor" by the NWPS - is proven scientifically to be better served by coursing than by the protests of a small handful of animal rights extremists who have neither the manpower nor the funding to do as much actual work for the hare species as coursing does. The studies all strongly indicate that were we to ban coursing out of sorrow for an individual hare who died as a result of coursing, we would soon after feel far more sorrow as the entire Irish Hare species died out - and the irony would be even stronger when we realised that the main predator responsible for the 50% mortality rate for hares in the wild was the fox which John Fitzgerald and other animal rights extremists also want protected from hunting.

    These are not "excuses" for coursing; these are darn good reasons for it, even if it's not everyone's cup of tea.

    For those wishing to read the studies, they may be found on the web here:
    http://www.qub.ac.uk/sites/Quercus/Filestore/Filetoupload,184050,en.pdf
    http://www.qub.ac.uk/sites/Quercus/Filestore/Filetoupload,134064,en.pdf
    http://www.npws.ie/publications/irishwildlifemanuals/IWM30.pdf

    Regards,


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    They do have their own forum charter in AH and it differs substantially from ours - read it before posting there, okay folks? I'm pretty confident that we're not the problem, so let's not appear as such. If someone there breaks the charter, don't respond in kind, just do what we keep asking you guys to do in here (you might have noticed this in the signatures of the mods):
    please use the report button (it's this one : report.gif) and then let the moderators deal with it!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,945 ✭✭✭Birdnuts


    IMO its a waste of time engaging with ICAB extremists. They live in a tellytubby la-la land. The more logic you throw at them the more shrill and nonsensical they get. Only simpletons and fools would be taken in by them. As evidenced by their tiny membership.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    Birdnuts wrote: »
    IMO its a waste of time engaging with ICAB extremists. They live in a tellytubby la-la land. The more logic you throw at them the more shrill and nonsensical they get. Only simpletons and fools would be taken in by them. As evidenced by their tiny membership.

    If I thought the goal was to change the mind of an animal rights extremist, I wouldn't bother. As Sinclair said, 'It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it.'

    The idea is twofold: to show the larger public how these people think and operate; and to show those who've been bullied by them that there are far more people on the side of fieldsports than animal rights, and that therefore it's not a simple commercial decision to do whatever ICABS say lest their livelihood be affected.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    I wonder - if ICABS can do it, why don't we and support Limerick Racecourse while ICABS attacks them? Do people think that's worth trying?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 490 ✭✭wexfordman


    Sparks wrote: »
    I wonder - if ICABS can do it, why don't we and support Limerick Racecourse while ICABS attacks them? Do people think that's worth trying?


    Done!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 490 ✭✭wexfordman


    hey sparks,

    cant comment myself, cos im banned from hare thread (appeal pending), but Badger just commented on the thread saying that fieldsports people were paranoid if they thought that people wanted all fieldsports banned!


    Funny thing is, Badger himself said that he would like to see an end to horse racing and fishing also.

    If only I wasnt banned Id say it to him...unless someone elses notices the irony!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    wexfordman wrote: »
    Done!

    And four others without any promotion. Okay, why not. Sticky on the way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 737 ✭✭✭sfakiaman


    Sparks wrote: »
    I wonder - if ICABS can do it, why don't we and support Limerick Racecourse while ICABS attacks them? Do people think that's worth trying?

    Done


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,038 ✭✭✭✭Sparks


    yubabill1 wrote: »

    It wasn't even too badly edited either.
    And the petition's up to 30 signatures in 12 hours - but the ICABS one is at 681...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 635 ✭✭✭pugw


    I think the anti's should take a good look at this video, there are more hares shot in this video than were killed in the entirety of the 12-13 coursing season! http://www.theshootingshow.tv/


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