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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    If you are looking a pure-bred, have exhausted all other options, then you will need to contact the Kennel Club and ask for names of breeders of the dog you are after, then go on a waiting list with them for their puppies. You likely will not get ANY healthy, purebred puppy for less than €200, that's low even for DoneDeal!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭JustRoss23


    ya might get a purebred pup for 200 but ya certainly wont get an ikc reg one for that:D your taking 300 min


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,772 ✭✭✭✭Whispered


    If it's not IKC reg'd you need to ask why OP. It could mean the bitch is too old or too young to be bred, or has been bred too many times in the past. It costs very little to reg a pup with the IKC so be on guard if a back yard breeder offers you one who he or she hasn't bothered to register. There is a reason for it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭JustRoss23


    almost sure posting links to rescue centers is not allowed:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    JustRoss23 wrote: »
    almost sure posting links to rescue centers is not allowed:D

    It's not.

    Regardless, Im assuming the OP can't travel since they want to know about the Dundalk area, so that rescue would be a bit out of reach.


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,727 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    JustRoss23 wrote: »
    almost sure posting links to rescue centers is not allowed:D

    Back-seat modding is also not allowed.
    Please read the forum charter before posting again.
    Do not reply to this post on thread.
    Thanks,
    DBB


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,736 ✭✭✭✭kylith


    OP, getting a puppy cheaply is generally a sign of a puppy farm. Google 'puppy farm' and see if you'd be happy with a dog from there. The money you save by not going to a good breeder you're likely to pay out tenfold in vet's bills because these people don't health test. That's why decent breeders' dogs are so expensive; they health test, register, microchip and feed good food. Puppy farms don't have those overheads; they just keep a few dozen bitches in a shed and keep them constantly pregnant, with little or no vet care.

    If you can't afford a properly bred puppy then go to a rescue and get a pup from there. They'll have been checked over by a vet so you'll know they're healthy, and the shelter may also help with the cost of neutering when the pup's old enough.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭Magenta


    kylith wrote: »
    If you can't afford a properly bred puppy then go to a rescue and get a pup from there. They'll have been checked over by a vet so you'll know they're healthy

    A checkup by a vet does not mean the puppy is healthy. I've said it before and I'll say it again- rescue dogs are not some sort of super-species. If the OP went to a backyard breeder whose puppies had been to a vet, and the parents hadn't had proper health screening, would you be happy with that? Or would you still push her to go to a "proper" breeder?

    If you're going to push the rescue route, at least give all the facts, and the pros and cons. A check over will not show underlying or developing conditions such as epilepsy, hip dysplasia, or many other hereditary health issues. Those puppies could go on to develop health issues the same as a purebred puppy. On one hand you're telling the OP to go to a breeder and get a properly bred puppy whose parents have been screened for genetic health issues, on another hand you're telling to go to a rescue and get a puppy which is more than likely going to be of unknown parentage and bloodlines. If a healthy, well bred puppy is the goal, a rescue puppy is not the ideal solution.


  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭grumpig


    ShaShaBear wrote: »
    It's not.

    Regardless, Im assuming the OP can't travel since they want to know about the Dundalk area, so that rescue would be a bit out of reach.

    Thank you for noticing,but if I found a dog I was for certain that like I think I would not mind going a bit farther. I have tried the rescue route though and I can't find a puppy that I like.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    grumpig wrote: »
    Thank you for noticing,but if I found a dog I was for certain that like I think I would not mind going a bit farther. I have tried the rescue route though and I can't find a puppy that I like.

    Well, how about you tell us what you like, and we might be able to help? :o
    Breeds do have personalities that are characteristic of the breed, but at the same time all dogs are different! If we have a better idea of the time you can give to grooming and exercise, how long the puppy will be left alone daily, whether your puppy will be around children/other dogs/other animals etc, we might be able to recommend breeds of dog you hadn't considered yet, or maybe we might know a rescue who happens to have a puppy like that which you haven't seen yet, or we can advise you of a member of the KC who breeds puppies suitable for you :)
    And remember to add local and not-so-local rescues on Facebook if you use it. Often, personal parties advertise accidental litters or home dogs they can no longer look after there, which is something you might not see if you visited a rescue. Also, you could offer to foster a puppy for a rescue. It's a great way to break you into looking after a puppy, and if you find out the breed, work involved or particular dog is not for you, you can give it back and feel good in knowing you saved the rescue a few quid in kenneling costs. One in Dundalk will supply you with dog food, leads, collars and a crate, which means it wouldn't cost you anything, and you get a trial run!

    If your heart is set on a particular breed, and you absolutely want a puppy, then Kennel Club is the only way to go (aside from getting lucky with a rescue) and you really have to prepare yourself to pay. Registered, pure-bred dogs are not cheap, even the most common breeds, and all puppies will need to see the vet after you've bought/rescued them, so that is another cost you need to be prepared for on top of what you might pay for a dog. Not all Kennel Club registered breeders are shining examples of dog owners either, so you need to be prepared to ask millions of questions, watch out for signs of suspicious behaviour/dodging of questions, and you always need to be prepared to walk away if it doesn't feel right.

    So to recap, tell us more about your ideal puppy, and any experience you have with puppies to date. Put your name down with local rescues as a fosterer for puppies and you might get the chance to test run a little baby. Maybe you won't fall in love, maybe you will, but either way you're doing a great thing! Get in touch with breeders of the breed you like most that are registered with the Kennel Club, and get ready to wait! If you love doggies as much as most of us do, that wait will be very like the wait all expecting parents have to experience - well worth it in the end ;)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭grumpig


    ShaShaBear wrote: »
    Well, how about you tell us what you like, and we might be able to help? :o
    Breeds do have personalities that are characteristic of the breed, but at the same time all dogs are different! If we have a better idea of the time you can give to grooming and exercise, how long the puppy will be left alone daily, whether your puppy will be around children/other dogs/other animals etc, we might be able to recommend breeds of dog you hadn't considered yet, or maybe we might know a rescue who happens to have a puppy like that which you haven't seen yet, or we can advise you of a member of the KC who breeds puppies suitable for you :)
    And remember to add local and not-so-local rescues on Facebook if you use it. Often, personal parties advertise accidental litters or home dogs they can no longer look after there, which is something you might not see if you visited a rescue. Also, you could offer to foster a puppy for a rescue. It's a great way to break you into looking after a puppy, and if you find out the breed, work involved or particular dog is not for you, you can give it back and feel good in knowing you saved the rescue a few quid in kenneling costs. One in Dundalk will supply you with dog food, leads, collars and a crate, which means it wouldn't cost you anything, and you get a trial run!

    If your heart is set on a particular breed, and you absolutely want a puppy, then Kennel Club is the only way to go (aside from getting lucky with a rescue) and you really have to prepare yourself to pay. Registered, pure-bred dogs are not cheap, even the most common breeds, and all puppies will need to see the vet after you've bought/rescued them, so that is another cost you need to be prepared for on top of what you might pay for a dog. Not all Kennel Club registered breeders are shining examples of dog owners either, so you need to be prepared to ask millions of questions, watch out for signs of suspicious behaviour/dodging of questions, and you always need to be prepared to walk away if it doesn't feel right.

    So to recap, tell us more about your ideal puppy, and any experience you have with puppies to date. Put your name down with local rescues as a fosterer for puppies and you might get the chance to test run a little baby. Maybe you won't fall in love, maybe you will, but either way you're doing a great thing! Get in touch with breeders of the breed you like most that are registered with the Kennel Club, and get ready to wait! If you love doggies as much as most of us do, that wait will be very like the wait all expecting parents have to experience - well worth it in the end ;)

    okay well I want a small dog. Id like a soft hearted dog(Im not quite sure if that would make sense sorry) not a vicious dog and it would be good if the dog was good around other people too. I would not want the dog to bite someone that came over to my house or so. Energetic would be good :) I don't mind about the colour too much but l dogs that are kind of spotty. The puppy wont be left at home alone for too long not more than 2 hours because most time there is someone at home and i would be out from 9 am-4 pm. The puppy would not be around with any children only 2 adults. Is there any information i left? ^^;

    I have tried going on the IKC website but nothing has came up for shih tzu. I would not mind waiting if I have found a breder but I have not found one yet. I went to my local pet shop to ask and they did not have any information except for telling me to go to Done*eal and IKC. I have looked at the option of foster but there does not seem to be any puppy so i think it does not quite interest me ^^; Thank you :D I will be prepared thank you. Would there be any other questions besides the medical history of parents and the pup or if registered? and What proof would they show me for the medical history? ^^;


  • Registered Users Posts: 406 ✭✭Rommie


    grumpig wrote: »
    okay well I want a small dog. Id like a soft hearted dog(Im not quite sure if that would make sense sorry) not a vicious dog and it would be good if the dog was good around other people too. I would not want the dog to bite someone that came over to my house or so. Energetic would be good :) I don't mind about the colour too much but l dogs that are kind of spotty. The puppy wont be left at home alone for too long not more than 2 hours because most time there is someone at home and i would be out from 9 am-4 pm. The puppy would not be around with any children only 2 adults. Is there any information i left? ^^;

    People make dogs vicious, it doesn't matter what breed you get, you could make it vicious by abusing it, not socialising it, getting it from someone who abused it etc. But there is no such thing as a dog being vicious just because of its breed. Again with being good around people, it's up to you to socialise the dog with people and make sure it's good with people. I've met more 'vicious' shih tzus than I have pitbulls. A dog will only be what you make of it when you put in the time and work. Otherwise you'll find that your 'soft-hearted' dog could cause a lot of trouble


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    grumpig wrote: »
    okay well I want a small dog. Id like a soft hearted dog(Im not quite sure if that would make sense sorry) not a vicious dog and it would be good if the dog was good around other people too. I would not want the dog to bite someone that came over to my house or so. Energetic would be good :) I don't mind about the colour too much but l dogs that are kind of spotty. The puppy wont be left at home alone for too long not more than 2 hours because most time there is someone at home and i would be out from 9 am-4 pm. The puppy would not be around with any children only 2 adults. Is there any information i left? ^^;

    I have tried going on the IKC website but nothing has came up for shih tzu. I would not mind waiting if I have found a breder but I have not found one yet. I went to my local pet shop to ask and they did not have any information except for telling me to go to Done*eal and IKC. I have looked at the option of foster but there does not seem to be any puppy so i think it does not quite interest me ^^; Thank you :D I will be prepared thank you. Would there be any other questions besides the medical history of parents and the pup or if registered? and What proof would they show me for the medical history? ^^;

    I feel like you might enjoy either a Staffie or possibly a cocker spaniel. They're both on the smaller side of medium (not quite toy-sized), both can have unusual markings, and the spaniel would be quite energetic (staffies can be a bit of a couch potato :p )
    Both breeds are quite common.

    Like Rommie said, a dog is not born vicious - they are made that way. If you get a puppy from a good, reliable source, and train them well, show them plenty of love and affection, and make sure to socialise them properly, you will never have problems with biting (other than bog standard puppy nipping, which you will encounter in spades with ALL breeds of puppy :rolleyes: )

    The Cocker Spaniel Club of Ireland is stationed in Meath (not too far from Dundalk) so you might get some information there. There are also 4 contacts on the IKC site for staffies, and one for the Shih Tzu Club of Ireland (it's a bit hard to find, because there are two listings, and the one it is under is miss-spelt "Shih Tzi".

    If you are meeting with a breeder of any of these breeds, you can definitely expect to pay more than €200. Realistically, double that. So what you would need to decide is if you are willing to pay this much money for a dog. If so, then no problem. If not, then your next option is to look at cross-bred puppies, and like breeders, you might need to travel or wait for the right puppy to come into rescue. If you ARE interested in a cross-bred puppy, maybe use Facebook to contact all of the rescues you are willing to travel to. There are two in Dundalk, one in Carrickmacross, one in Monaghan, and numerous ones in Dublin. All you have to do is explain what you are interested in and leave contact details and they will let you know if anything becomes available.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭JustRoss23


    ya can get a cheap dog nowadays its quite handy did you pick a breed yet? i no a few peeps who might have what your looking for cheap enough.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭ISDW


    JustRoss23 wrote: »
    ya can get a cheap dog nowadays its quite handy did you pick a breed yet? i no a few peeps who might have what your looking for cheap enough:D

    Can you source any breed?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    ISDW wrote: »
    Can you source any breed?

    I'm very curious to see where he is going with this too :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,339 ✭✭✭borderlinemeath


    JustRoss23 wrote: »
    ya can get a cheap dog nowadays its quite handy did you pick a breed yet? i no a few peeps who might have what your looking for cheap enough:D

    <snip>

    TBH, the way I read the post above is that you know a fella that might have a few dodgy puppies going, wink, wink, nudge, nudge. You tend to put various smilies in all your posts and (to me) you're coming across as being either a wind up merchant/troll or somebody a bit dodge. Sorry if I'm wrong but I'm just interpreting what I see.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭JustRoss23


    <snip>
    TBH, the way I read the post above is that you know a fella that might have a few dodgy puppies going, wink, wink, nudge, nudge. You tend to put various smilies in all your posts and (to me) you're coming across as being either a wind up merchant/troll or somebody a bit dodge. Sorry if I'm wrong but I'm just interpreting what I see.

    Sorry i took the smiley out of it.. no not any breed its just a mate i no has some FAMILY/Pet dogs of which a bitch is in pup so depending on what the op wants it could be a choice sorry for the smiley i wont post them again.


    Point taking i see where your coming from and can i just say i am not a TROLL some of my posts were a disgrace to me i am sorry.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    JustRoss23 wrote: »
    Sorry i took the smiley out of it.. no not any breed its just a mate i no has some FAMILY/Pet dogs of which a bitch is in pup so depending on what the op wants it could be a choice sorry for the smiley i wont post them again.

    Are her pups pure-bred? And if so, what breed?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭JustRoss23


    Yea they are PB why does it matter what breed? i am sorry for the way some of my other posts came across i am against puppy farming i really am.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,528 ✭✭✭ShaShaBear


    JustRoss23 wrote: »
    Yea they are PB why does it matter what breed? i am sorry for the way some of my other posts came across i am against puppy farming i really am.

    Well obviously the OP is after a certain kind of puppy, so it would matter what breed. If they're labradors or great danes they're hardly going to fit her description of a "small" dog :rolleyes:
    Why are they going "cheap" if they are pure-bred?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭JustRoss23


    i have just pm'd op so i am await her message.


  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭grumpig


    JustRoss23 wrote: »
    ya can get a cheap dog nowadays its quite handy did you pick a breed yet? i no a few peeps who might have what your looking for cheap enough.

    That would be great :) but as everyone say's best to check the parents etc etc first but could you tell me what bred are they? :) Im very interested ^^ lately Iv been looking around but no results ^^; btw Ross I do not mind smily in any post or so I see it as just expressing ones self so go on what ever you want :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭JustRoss23


    No its comes across as being either a wind up merchant/troll or somebody a bit dodge which i am not so i will leave them out lol.

    And before people start me and grumpig don't no each other and are not the same person.mods feel free to check ip address etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭grumpig


    ShaShaBear wrote: »
    I feel like you might enjoy either a Staffie or possibly a cocker spaniel. They're both on the smaller side of medium (not quite toy-sized), both can have unusual markings, and the spaniel would be quite energetic (staffies can be a bit of a couch potato :p )
    Both breeds are quite common.

    Like Rommie said, a dog is not born vicious - they are made that way. If you get a puppy from a good, reliable source, and train them well, show them plenty of love and affection, and make sure to socialise them properly, you will never have problems with biting (other than bog standard puppy nipping, which you will encounter in spades with ALL breeds of puppy :rolleyes: )

    The Cocker Spaniel Club of Ireland is stationed in Meath (not too far from Dundalk) so you might get some information there. There are also 4 contacts on the IKC site for staffies, and one for the Shih Tzu Club of Ireland (it's a bit hard to find, because there are two listings, and the one it is under is miss-spelt "Shih Tzi".

    If you are meeting with a breeder of any of these breeds, you can definitely expect to pay more than €200. Realistically, double that. So what you would need to decide is if you are willing to pay this much money for a dog. If so, then no problem. If not, then your next option is to look at cross-bred puppies, and like breeders, you might need to travel or wait for the right puppy to come into rescue. If you ARE interested in a cross-bred puppy, maybe use Facebook to contact all of the rescues you are willing to travel to. There are two in Dundalk, one in Carrickmacross, one in Monaghan, and numerous ones in Dublin. All you have to do is explain what you are interested in and leave contact details and they will let you know if anything becomes available.

    well I like cocker spaniel out of the 2 suggestions you gave me more. but I prefer more of a dog that looks like this ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/West_Highland_White_Terrier_Krakow.jpg ) if it gives you a better idea ^^; okay I will check out the those few sites. thanks. well if more than 200 is needed I wouldn't mind soon as it can not be helped but I would still like to not let the price range be too far off from original figure ^^; I understand as everyone is saying you pay a higher price you get better though ^^; i will look out for those as well thank you!


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,727 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    grumpig wrote: »
    but I prefer more of a dog that looks like this ( http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/2c/West_Highland_White_Terrier_Krakow.jpg ) if it gives you a better idea ^^;

    You like a spotty dog and you want a Westie?

    You want a soft-hearted dog, and you're looking at a Westie?

    You want a cheap dog, and you're looking for a Westie? If you get yourself a cheap Westie, mark my words, start saving to cover the vet's bills now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭grumpig


    DBB wrote: »
    You like a spotty dog and you want a Westie?

    You want a soft-hearted dog, and you're looking at a Westie?

    You want a cheap dog, and you're looking for a Westie? If you get yourself a cheap Westie, mark my words, start saving to cover the vet's bills now.

    But if I checked the medical history of the parents etc etc would that not be fine?:confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭ISDW


    grumpig wrote: »
    But if I checked the medical history of the parents etc etc would that not be fine?:confused:

    If the parents were healthy and the breeder had done all genetic testing then you would not be looking at a cheap puppy, you would be looking at paying a reasonable price for the level of care the breeder has put into the parents and the pup you want.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,521 ✭✭✭JustRoss23


    Jeez give the op a break for gods sake:o


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  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 9,727 Mod ✭✭✭✭DBB


    grumpig wrote: »
    But if I checked the medical history of the parents etc etc would that not be fine?:confused:

    No. Quite frankly.
    I can tell you definitively now, that there are almost no healthy lines of Westies in Ireland. They are one of the most intensively puppy-farmed breeds, which has destroyed them.. possibly to the point of no return.
    They are the most allergic of all breeds: Atopy ("Westie Skin"), Pulmonary Fibrosis ("Westie lung").. yes, these conditions are so endemic in the breed, they're called after the breed, craniomandibular osteopathy, Perthe's disease (hips), luxating patella, colitis, severe food allergies, cancer, liver failure, kidney disease.. do you want me to go on? :o
    That's just health issues, and believe me, they are almost all endemic in the breed, not just in the odd dog, but the temperament issues in the breed are another paragraph altogether.
    As a huge fan of the breed, I would never, if you paid me, buy a Westie in the South of Ireland. There are some breeders in the north doing a super job with the breed, but you're talking big money for them. I'll pass on contact details if you want them.


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