Is multiculturalism wanted??

Zillah

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

NCould be Dublin in 20 odd years.

This is incredibly unlikely. We're not the former capital of a worldwide empire.

The King of Moo

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

Native Britons are a minority in London. Could be Dublin in 20 odd years.

Would you be happy with becoming a minority in your own land?

That's compared to all other ethnic groups put together. White Britons are still the single largest ethnic group, not that that's a very cohesive group anyway, taking into account the continued importance of class distinctions in Britain, for one, not to mention the huge mix of DNA these white people are made of.

And personally, I don't care about how many people of different skin colours occupy a particular space. Skin colour isn't important to me.

3ndahalfof6

woodoo wrote: »

Here are the top rated responses to the article FYI:

ravenmorpheus2k
15 HOURS AGO
Why have the white British left London?
---

They have left because they've been pushed out by migrants.

A few weeks ago we heard of some Islamic "men" castigating a man for not being Muslim, asking if he was gay, and telling him to "get out, this is a Muslim area".

Their exact words were played on the radio so there was no doubt over it.

Time for the govt. to do something about such migrants.



+360
Comment number 1. Spindoctor
16 HOURS AGO
This is probably going to be Moderated off the Boards.

It is my opinion having lived in an area where a large influx of non white British arrived (Asian Pakistani and Bangladeshi) that the White people began to feel they were living in a foreign land and left. I know full well the statistics tell me that only 6% of Bradford is of Asian decent but in some areas you hardly see a white face.



+346
Comment number 49. breadsticks
14 HOURS AGO
Wake up smell the coffe and stop being so PC. I lived in Peckham for 25 years and saw it turn form a nice safe pleasant area to what it became. I got sick of the muggings robberies and moved out, looks like I need to move out further now though
Unfortunately the politicians who espouse the "benefits" of mass immigration do not have to live with it!


Comment number 11. U15622642
15 HOURS AGO
This comment was removed because the moderators found it broke the house rules. Explain.



+302
Comment number 3. Spindoctor
16 HOURS AGO
Further to my post #1 Some of the Areas have become very Asian oriented with shops that cater more for Asian people Halal Butchers, Bangladeshi Bakers, Mosques and Temples, local shops that are dominated by Asian foods and spices, and that cater very little for non Asian tastes. Is it any wonder the White people move out? People feel like strangers in the town where they were born.



+293
Comment number 61. Another brick in the wall
13 HOURS AGO
Unfortunately it is impossible to discuss topics like this seriously without being called a racist or breaking house rules. Suffice to say that multiculturalism is not everyone's cup of tea. It is not the colour of peoples skin but their attitudes and beliefs that often make people from other parts of the world difficult to get along with.

I will be interested to see if that gets moderated or not



+291
Comment number 19. Roger Byrne
15 HOURS AGO
The majority of the British ppl dont want immigrants, we dont need most immigrants. Even the immigrants that are here dont want to compete for jobs against yet even more immigrants. This is the reason why UKIP have gone from 4% to 16% of the vote this year. This is likely to go higher next year when the Romanians and Bulgarians arrive. Yet more unskilled workers set against 17% youth unemployment.



+265
Comment number 13. hoeby
15 HOURS AGO
Yep I don't care what colour you are but if you bring a culture of bigotry and non-inclusion we don't want you. I don't care who is leaving the city but for those of us that remain we must fight against extremism and the wave of ignorance that follows it.



+249
Comment number 7. blitzkrieg11
16 HOURS AGO
What's positive about this? You have said nothing more than that white people have moved out of London. This is a sad story of mass displacement - there's no disguising it.



+218
Comment number 16. realisticlogic
15 HOURS AGO
you can remove all the comments your biased moderators claim break the rules.
BUT we still know the real truth.
Just because the gov't has made it illegal to comment about it, dosn't mean its not happening.



+211
Comment number 45. treetop91
14 HOURS AGO
A very sad article,not the subject but the writer and the organisation that seeks to deny the obvious. White flight is very real but to try and dress it up like this is distasteful.Perhaps we need the BBC to relocate out of London altogether for it to understand and listen to the people of Britain ?



+208
Comment number 51. MiKtheBrit
14 HOURS AGO
Another biased pro mass immigration piece from the BBC who claim to represent us, what a laugh. The country has been ruined and continues to get worse. No one is defending our secular culture, it's already too late, strangers in our own country.



+207
Comment number 92. DisgustedOfDeptford
13 HOURS AGO
"...what emerges is a much more positive story..."

I'm sure that spin makes you feel better about the truth, Mr Easton.

Unfortunately, for the tens of thousands of people who have seen their communities changed beyond recognition, who have been pushed to move to the four corners of the nation to find a new home that resembles their country of origin, your spin is more than a tad nauseating.



+200
Comment number 93. Dave
13 HOURS AGO
Would you stay in a town where most of your neighbours are not of your race? Where half of them don't even speak your language? Where the culture is so radically different that you feel like an alien in your own country?

NOR WOULD THESE PEOPLE! Stop making excuses, we all know why these people left the capital. I have enough friends from London who have told me why they left London.



+198
Comment number 89. WhyStandOnASilentPlatform
13 HOURS AGO
Because it is an overpriced, immigrant driven, crime infested hell hole?



+167
Comment number 132. inchindown
13 HOURS AGO
We all know why white people are moving out of London. It's just that nobody will really say what they feel as the post would be deleted.



+157
Comment number 22. endangeredlogic
15 HOURS AGO
When's the BBC going to do some probing journalism to nail down the big demographic issues? What are the shifts in population ethnicity nationwide and regionally? What are the birth-rates for different cultural groups? What's a sustainable UK population size? The consistent failure to provide the public with answers to these questions appears almost conspiratorial.



+146
Comment number 4. Jack Raymond
16 HOURS AGO
Many people regardless of colour or race or ethnicity etc. still have a romanticised view of Britain with its politeness and beautiful green countryside. I'm afraid that's not London, and probably hasn't been for several centuries now. The more 'different' that London becomes from this view of Britain, the more we want to leave it. And I'm not even white.



+145
Comment number 43. Scarlet_Pimpernel
14 HOURS AGO
Now this is one hot potato the BBC doesnt normally like to take out of the oven. Im sure academia has a multitude of nice, safe, printable, explanations. For the reality of life in most British cities, to which Blair/Brown dispersed Labour's great immigration tsunami, well, you have to be living in them to understand..

All posted by the same person, Comment, so it holds no bearing.

Einhard

philologos wrote: »

The UK census distinguishes between White British, and Asian British, Black British and so on. However, it is important to note that just because one may have a certain ethnic heritage it doesn't preclude them from being wholly British in terms of culture and other things. I know loads of people who fall into that criteria in London.

Yes, it distinguishes between Black British and Asian British, but it doesn't confer Britishness on one ethnic group, as appears to be the case in certain posts here.

Herb Powell

PC Brigade here, please state your emergency

ABajaninCork

You do know there is no such thing as a Native Briton - right?

The White British are a mix of Saxon (German); Viking (Scandinavia); Norman (French); Roman (Italian and others) and yes. Irish (Well Celt anyway!) blood too! Even the Royal Family aren't British by descent. The Queen is essentially German and Phil as we all know is Greek! And he is of Danish descent. It is said that Queen Mary's first language was German. Queen Victoria spoke German to her family.

SirTallaghtban

Einhard wrote: »

So a white person, born and bred in Manchester, but whose parents originated from Ireland in the 1870s, would not be considered a native Briton? That's a pretty narrow definition you've got there!!

Would a white person, born and bred in Arkansas, but whose parents originated from ireland in the 1870s, be considered a native American?

Id define a native briton as someone whose ancestry is British as far back as he can find.

SirTallaghtban

ABajaninCork wrote: »

You do know there is no such thing as a Native Briton - right?

The White British are a mix of Saxon (German); Viking (Scandinavia); Norman (French); Roman (Italian and others) and yes. Irish (Well Celt anyway!) blood too! Even the Royal Family aren't British by descent. The Queen is essentially German and Phil as we all know is Greek! And he is of Danish descent. It is said that Queen Mary's first language was German. Queen Victoria spoke German to her family.

Native britons are purely of northern european descent.

philologos

Einhard wrote: »

Yes, it distinguishes between Black British and Asian British, but it doesn't confer Britishness on one ethnic group, as appears to be the case in certain posts here.

I agree wholeheartedly with you.

That was my point.

ABajaninCork wrote: »

You do know there is no such thing as a Native Briton - right?

The White British are a mix of Saxon (German); Viking (Scandinavia); Norman (French); Roman (Italian and others) and yes. Irish (Well Celt anyway!) blood too! Even the Royal Family aren't British by descent. The Queen is essentially German and Phil as we all know is Greek! And he is of Danish descent. It is said that Queen Mary's first language was German. Queen Victoria spoke German to her family.

And there is no such thing as native Irish either as much as some people mightn't like to hear it

The King of Moo

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

Would a white person, born and bred in Arkansas, but whose parents originated from ireland in the 1870s, would be considered a native American?

Id define a native briton as someone whose ancestry is British as far back as he can find.

What do you define by British? Are you only going as far back as the Acts of Union?

7 7 12

Cungi wrote: »

Broadening of the gene pool is a good thing

Seems to work well in USA

SirTallaghtban

Zillah wrote: »

This is incredibly unlikely. We're not the former capital of a worldwide empire.

Some electoral wards in dublin already have non Irish people in the majority. The north inner city, for example.

Ditto for parts of Dublin 15 (and that was reported in 2006!).

It is already taking place.

Einhard

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

Id define a native briton as someone whose ancestry is British as far back as he can find.

WTF does that even mean? Seriously it's gobbledygook. What you're essentially saying, is that anyone who can trace a foreign ancestor is not British. And that a black person who cannot trace his ancestry beyond the Britain is conclusively British. Are you just making this up as you go along?

Lou.m

I hate monoculturalism a a concept they want everyone to be like them...which is oppressive.

Multiculturalism is a relief.

I HATE the small town tribal mentality..not just in Ireland anywhere.

Native Britons are a minority in London. Could be Dublin in 20 odd years.

Would you be happy with becoming a minority in your own land?

Yes i would be exotic and different. Besides you could argue real Irish culture already is....we speak English...which is not the native tongue so it's already happened.

Roll on multiculturalism.

Irish people move abroad so they must like it.

P_1

+293
Comment number 61. Another brick in the wall
13 HOURS AGO
Unfortunately it is impossible to discuss topics like this seriously without being called a racist or breaking house rules. Suffice to say that multiculturalism is not everyone's cup of tea. It is not the colour of peoples skin but their attitudes and beliefs that often make people from other parts of the world difficult to get along with.

I will be interested to see if that gets moderated or not

+265
Comment number 13. hoeby
15 HOURS AGO
Yep I don't care what colour you are but if you bring a culture of bigotry and non-inclusion we don't want you. I don't care who is leaving the city but for those of us that remain we must fight against extremism and the wave of ignorance that follows it.

You see multiculturism is a two way street.

You can't expect the new culture to conform to how things were done in the 'old country' and similarly you can't impose your culture on new immigrants.

Give and take is needed from both sides

southsiderosie

woodoo wrote: »

I was reading through a piece on white flight from London on the BBC and was struck by the feedback. Much of the feedback is at odds with the writer. So many people seem to against the idea of multiculturalism, mass immigration and ghettoisation and no longer feel at home in some of their larger cities. Are they being unreasonable? racist? or do they have a genuine grievance that today's hyper-PC society doesn't allow them voice.

Multiculturalism, mass immigration and ghettoization are three separate phenomena. What are you actually interested in here: multicultural policy, having a multicultural population, or the emergence of ethnic clusters?

Terrontress

Are additional workers from areas with excess supply wanted during labour shortages wanted? Yes.

Should those who have come here and worked have the same rights ad Irish people who have contributed an equal amount to the economy? Yes.

Should all people, regardless of origin be allowed to practice their culture if it impinges on nobody else? Yes.

southsiderosie

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

Some electoral wards in dublin already have non Irish people in the majority. The north inner city, for example.

Ditto for parts of Dublin 15 (and that was reported in 2006!).

It is already taking place.

Immigrants are heavily clustered in some neighborhoods, but they are far from becoming a majority in Dublin.

P_1

Terrontress wrote: »

Are additional workers from areas with excess supply wanted during labour shortages wanted? Yes.

Should those who have come here and worked have the same rights ad Irish people who have contributed an equal amount to the economy? Yes.

Should all people, regardless of origin be allowed to practice their culture if it impinges on nobody else? Yes.

The problem is that the practice of culture is impinging on others, hence one of the reasons behind this so-called 'white flight'.

SirTallaghtban

Lou.m wrote: »

I hate monoculturalism a a concept they want everyone to be like them...which is oppressive.

Multiculturalism is a relief.

I HATE the small town tribal mentality..not just in Ireland anywhere.



Yes i would be exotic and different. Besides you could argue real Irish culture already is....we speak English...which is not the native tongue so it's already happened.

Roll on multiculturalism.

Irish people move abroad so they must like it.

How many Irish people moved to asia, africa or the middle east?

Very few.

Such a logical fallacy. Irish people moved to new world countries, so that means we have to welcome anyone who rocks up here?

Ps- a relatively homogenous society can also be a multicultural society.

woodoo

Einhard wrote: »

WTF does that even mean? Seriously it's gobbledygook. What you're essentially saying, is that anyone who can trace a foreign ancestor is not British. And that a black person who cannot trace his ancestry beyond the Britain is conclusively British. Are you just making this up as you go along?

You know what he means einhard when he uses the term native Briton, don't be dragging the thread off on one of those pedantic tangents.

Think of what the average person would have looked like in britain 300 or 400 hundred years ago. That is basically what people mean when they talk of native. White british, you know it i know it he knows it.

twinQuins

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

Native britons are purely of northern european descent.

Ah so they're native Europeans not Britons! Glad you cleared that up!

SirTallaghtban

southsiderosie wrote: »

Immigrants are heavily clustered in some neighborhoods, but they are far from becoming a majority in Dublin.

They already make up 30 odd per cent of Dublins population. Just under 20 per cent nationally.

You can find exact figures from the results of the last census.

The King of Moo

woodoo wrote: »

You know what he means einhard when he uses the term native Briton, don't be dragging the thread off on one of those pedantic tangents.

Think of what the average person would have looked like in britain 300 or 400 hundred years ago. That is basically what people mean when they talk of native. White british, you know it i know it he knows it.

It's fair to question his term, as Britain has been made up of a number of different national groups and cultures. Even now Britain is composed of three different countries and you'd be hard pressed to get the whole population to come up with a definition of what a "native Briton" is.

I, for one, genuinely don't know how he defines the term, even after he's explained it.

ABajaninCork

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

Native britons are purely of northern european descent.

Um. No. Read the post again.

Where To

Has anyone studied the effect on the villages and towns of the Home Counties and East Anglia with regard the mass influx of Cockney immigrants?

I'm sure they would be saying exactly the same thing as some of the 'commentators' on the BBC article.

Einhard

woodoo wrote: »

You know what he means einhard when he uses the term native Briton, don't be dragging the thread off on one of those pedantic tangents.

Think of what the average person would have looked like in britain 300 or 400 hundred years ago. That is basically what people mean when they talk of native. White british, you know it i know it he knows it.

No, I think I know what he means. But I don't want to simply assume it, because that's an incredibly racist attitude, and I don't like making such assumptions about people I don't know.If that's what he's saying, then, by that logic, a baby born to German parents in London tomorrow, is more British than a black man who has fought for Britain in her wars, and whose parents came from Africa at the start of the last century. Which is a ****ing retarded proposition.

SirTallaghtban

ABajaninCork wrote: »

Um. No. Read the post again.

Very, very few non white Britons ancestors were in the UK prior to the 1950s. A miniscule number, perhaps.

I dont see them as being native to Briton. They are second/third genertion immigrants whom are now British. But native they are not.

If an Irish couple moved to outer Mongolia in the morning, settled down, had a kid - would you consider their offspring to be a native Mongolian?

David Norris, the past presendential candidate, was born and grew up for a time, in Africa. Is he a native African?

RudyM

SirTallaghtban wrote: »

Would a white person, born and bred in Arkansas, but whose parents originated from ireland in the 1870s, be considered a native American?

this brought this one to my mind:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOrAs80s02o

DublinWriter

You'll all be singing the praises of multi-culturalism when Omoni Maduike from Balbriggan hoists the Sam aloft for Dublin in his big sweaty black hands after hospitalising most of the Kerry team in the 2021 All-Ireland.

Considering the revelations about the Magdalene laundries, we don't even do mono-culturalism well in this country.

I think the reason multi-culturalism doesn't work in the UK, Germany and France is because they are all culturally-insular nations with very fixed notions of national identify based on hundreds of years of very bloody internecine European warfare.

We Irish, on the other hand, are a relatively young nation and are always up for a bit of "what ever you're having yourself".