Steroid Scaremongering In The Media

Brian?

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Steroids are steroids and are not supplements. Steroids are drugs and this has been the first website or forum that I've ever come across to see such tripe been posted on this topic.

Who's arguing that steroids aren't drugs? No one.

What tripe exactly. I honestly can't follow your logic. It's like you're verbally flailing around trying to make a point and missing.

Well you'd want to be an alien when you end up reading threads like this and having to be stuck in a country that is so far back in time that it makes me sick to even realise how stupified this country has actually become. Alienating yourself is a good way to deal with the level of thickness in our society.

This is nonsense, pure and simple.

squod

StarshipPooper wrote: »

The guy literally thinks he's an alien

His English is excellent. So few earthlings write that well.

JJayoo

Aquarius34 wrote: »

Alienating yourself is a good way to deal with the level of thickness in our society.

I think you are excellent and would like to know your opinion on more fitness related topics.

Aquarius34

JJayoo wrote: »

I think you are excellent and would like to know your opinion on more fitness related topics.

I'd prefer to talk about fitness too, without others having to make shots at me on off topic subjects.

keithsfleet

My experience with steroids was Will taking them in fresh prince of Belair.
The last straw was when punched a locker.

ronnie085

I'm probably going to get slapped down but here goes anyway. I generally avoid this forum because of threads like this, while there is mostly great advice there seems to be an over emphasis on supplements (and no I'm not mixing them up with steroids and I dont think most of them are contaminated) rather than having a pretty clean diet. I keep on reading posts about needing protein shakes for recovery, fair enough, but, not putting anybody down and include myself in this, probably more than 80% of people here dont actually work hard enough to need that much 'recovery'. Just as an example, there are threads being started on the A/R forum, " I run 5k 3 times a week should I take a protein supplement", em no, but well done to the marketing people for making you think you might need some. A good nights sleep and good diet does the job for most plus the body is pretty remarkable at adapting to the work that you ask it to do. I wont even get into these pre workout rubbish people take because I rambling enough already.

Hanley wrote: »

... The irony of the same parents afraid of steroids in supplements feeding their kids per packaged processed meals and other rubbish quality food will be lost on most too.

Just at random googled a protein supplement to see the ingredients, http://ie.myprotein.com/sports-nutrition/impact-whey-protein/10530943.html, alot of processing going on there. Again there are lots of posts about having a good diet and trying to stay away from processed food but there seems to be a blind spot where supplements are concerned.

Dermighty wrote: »

I think most people associate steroid usage with steroid abuse.

The two are not the same!


As an aside, Hanley, where are you getting your info for the article? Experience from usage or experience from being in the same environment as steroids or things you've read or some or all of the above.

Dermighty wrote: »

I can't say myself, basically I take supplements and for all intents and purposes my family think I take steroids or something similar. They're completely uneducated re nutrition or steroids. My point is that uneducated people generally have unrealistic perceptions of things. So people that have no knowledge of steroids, including myself in the past, have skewed views on the reality of steroids, naturally tending towards negative stereotypes of steroid usage and steroid users, ie only seeing a big ape versus instead of the possibility that someone uses it for recovery.

squod wrote: »

I don't think it is. Most discussions are locked soon after the threads start like. Not against steroid use meself, just to clarify. Old farts like me can go on the male HRT in other countries fairly handy. But this isn't another country.

Now again I'm not trying to get at any posters, just picked out these posts as I came across them. These posts seem shall I say, have a soft opinion, on steroid use, ie there's no real harm in them. Each to there own but still its not exactly the healthiest of attiutudes to have, especially in a 'health' forum.

Aquarius34

ronnie085 wrote: »

I'm probably going to get slapped down but here goes anyway. I generally avoid this forum because of threads like this, while there is mostly great advice there seems to be an over emphasis on supplements (and no I'm not mixing them up with steroids and I dont think most of them are contaminated) rather than having a pretty clean diet. I keep on reading posts about needing protein shakes for recovery, fair enough, but, not putting anybody down and include myself in this, probably more than 80% of people here dont actually work hard enough to need that much 'recovery'. Just as an example, there are threads being started on the A/R forum, " I run 5k 3 times a week should I take a protein supplement", em no, but well done to the marketing people for making you think you might need some. A good nights sleep and good diet does the job for most plus the body is pretty remarkable at adapting to the work that you ask it to do. I wont even get into these pre workout rubbish people take because I rambling enough already.



Just at random googled a protein supplement to see the ingredients, http://http://ie.myprotein.com/sports-nutrition/impact-whey-protein/10530943.html, alot of processing going on there. Again there are lots of posts about having a good diet and trying to stay away from processed food but there seems to be a blind spot where supplements are concerned.


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Now again I'm not trying to get at any posters, just picked out these posts as I came across them. These posts seem shall I say, have a soft opinion, on steroid use, ie there's no real harm in them. Each to there own but still its not exactly the healthiest of attiutudes to have, especially in a 'health' forum.

It's good to see some refreshing replies

Aquarius34

ronnie085 wrote: »

Now again I'm not trying to get at any posters, just picked out these posts as I came across them. These posts seem shall I say, have a soft opinion, on steroid use, ie there's no real harm in them. Each to there own but still its not exactly the healthiest of attiutudes to have, especially in a 'health' forum.

This is exactly my sentiment exactly and it wouldn't surprise me if the real health gurus avoid this forum when they see people supporting steroids. People who support steroids belong on the pro bodybuilding cheerleading forums. Steroids are incredibly destructive to our bodies. Like most drugs. Most people who have a soft spot towards steroids are just either ignorant or on steroids.

Just at random googled a protein supplement to see the ingredients, http://http://ie.myprotein.com/sports-nutrition/impact-whey-protein/10530943.html, alot of processing going on there. Again there are lots of posts about having a good diet and trying to stay away from processed food but there seems to be a blind spot where supplements are concerned.


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I've actually met personal trainers who have told me the same thing. To stay away from protein shakes. I actually never liked them anyway. Always felt they were a complete gimmick. It's starting how processed and how chemically ridden most of them are. The last protein shake I had I spat out. It was like drinking a sweetened processed banana milkshake. Disgusting. People don't read or research on what's in these "supplements" They just go oh it's got it's proteins and vitamins but they do not realise how processsed, artificial and fraudulous they really are.

For example, sweetners, is bad for you. Esepecially aspartame which is extremely harmful to our bodies is in quite a lot of these "supplement shakes" that people buy.

But hey I am an alien, what would I know.:rolleyes:

The ignorance on this health forum is astounding....

Gummy Panda

Aquarius34 wrote: »

This is exactly my sentiment exactly and it wouldn't surprise me if the real health gurus avoid this forum when they see people supporting steroids. People who support steroids belong on the pro bodybuilding cheerleading forums. Steroids are incredibly destructive to our bodies. Like most drugs. Most people who have a soft spot towards steroids are just either ignorant or on steroids.




I've actually met personal trainers who have told me the same thing. To stay away from protein shakes. I actually never liked them anyway. Always felt they were a complete gimmick. It's starting how processed and how chemically ridden most of them are. The last protein shake I had I spat out. It was like drinking a sweetened processed banana milkshake. Disgusting. People don't read or research on what's in these "supplements" They just go oh it's got it's proteins and vitamins but they do not realise how processsed, artificial and fraudulous they really are.

For example, sweetners, is bad for you. Esepecially aspartame which is extremely harmful to our bodies is in quite a lot of these "supplement shakes" that people buy.

But hey I am an alien, what would I know.:rolleyes:

The ignorance on this health forum is astounding....

kevpants

Aquarius34 wrote: »

The ignorance on this health forum is astounding....

To be fair the health bit only got added recently.

This is an internet forum, it attracts all manner of morons and if they're moths a thread on steroids is lightbulb.

The majority of experienced people posting here are not anti supplement but they're much more pro food. Supplementing protein is no different to supplementing vitamin c. You could get enough protein from meat but you can supplement with whey, you can get enough vit c from oranges but you can supplement with rubex.

Arguments like "Steroid factories!" vs "Recovery brah!" are what's astounding.

You clearly don't have the background knowledge or interest in fitness nutrition to make a meaningful contribution to the argument anyway. Steroids are like any drug, they have side effects and abuse is dangerous. But the attitude by a lot of people you might consider pro steroid is actually just one of acceptance. I personally believe a majority of sports people you could list as the greatest in the world are using PEDs.

Aquarius34

kevpants wrote: »

To be fair the health bit only got added recently.

It's still no excuse for the ignorance I am witnessing.

This is an internet forum, it attracts all manner of morons and if they're moths a thread on steroids is lightbulb.

This is true.

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You clearly don't have the background knowledge or interest in fitness nutrition to make a meaningful contribution to the argument anyway. ]

You'd be surprised, and you don't know me to say that at all. Which just shows your own ignorance.

Steroids are like any drug, they have side effects and abuse is dangerous. But the attitude by a lot of people you might consider pro steroid is actually just one of acceptance. I personally believe a majority of sports people you could list as the greatest in the world are using PEDs.

Well this only adds to how dire the situation is and just proves sports nowadays is run a muck... All steroid users are twisted in the head if they think they are champions winning titles when on steroids.

Doug Cartel

Aquarius34 wrote: »

All steroid users are twisted in the head if they think they are champions winning titles when on steroids.

As a steroid user I take exception to this. Without my inhaler I think I'd be unable to breath for about 3-4 months each year.

Liam90

This thread is just going back and forth. Supplements are good, steroids are bad.

Lets leave it at that.

mathepac

Doug Cartel wrote: »

As a steroid user I take exception to this. Without my inhaler I think I'd be unable to breath for about 3-4 months each year.

I agree and for the same reasons. There is in general a vey low understanding about what medicines or other preparations contain steroids.

squod

ronnie085 wrote: »

I'm probably going to get slapped down but here goes anyway. I generally avoid this forum because of threads like this,

If you have an opinion you should post like. Think most of the advice on here can be refers people to various programs. Simple advice and stickies at the top of the forum. In essence; Squat deep drink milk etc.......

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nppzGV1U8y8

Doug Cartel

mathepac wrote: »

I agree and for the same reasons. There is in general a vey low understanding about what medicines or other preparations contain steroids.

To be honest, I was just going for the cheap joke.

Hailhail1967

I just love your name "Doug Cartel" ha ha

d'Oracle

mathepac wrote: »

I agree and for the same reasons. There is in general a vey low understanding about what medicines or other preparations contain steroids.

And there is an even lower understanding of what the word steroid means.

Zombienosh

just seen scooby posted this earlier
http://scoobysworkshop.com/huge-teen-bodybuilder/

JJayoo

This looks good.



http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANABOLIC-ROID-JUICE-NONE-STEROIDS-STEROID-STERIOD-STERIODS-TESTOSTERONE-BOOSTER-/150963038767?pt=UK_Health_Beauty_Vitamins_Supplements&hash=item2326192a2f

discus

d'Oracle wrote: »

And there is an even lower understanding of what the word steroid means.

And where have you been? In the past you'd have been all over this thread!

Zombienosh

x-post from YLYL

Zombienosh

I notice they're still digging at the roid rage angle for Pistorius

Lawyers for Oscar Pistorius have identified the substance found in his bedroom after he shot dead his girlfriend as Testis compositum, and say it is an herbal remedy used “in aid of muscle recovery”.

A product called Testis compositum is also marketed as a sexual enhancer, and good for lack of stamina. Some online retailers advertise oral and injectable forms as testosterone boosters.

South African police say they found needles in Pistorius’ bedroom along with the substance, which they initially named as testosterone. Prosecutors later withdrew that and said it had been sent for lab tests.

A Pistorius family spokeswoman said that the athlete’s lawyers confirmed that the substance is Testis compositum.

http://www.breakingnews.ie/world/substance-found-in-pistorius-room-an-aid-to-muscle-recovery-586343.html

Zombienosh

Don't know if anyone is familiar with As I Lay dying < Metal band.

The singer was arrested for hiring a hitman to kill his wife, anyway his defense are using the steroid excuse.

http://lambgoat.com/news/20444/Tim-Lambesis-bail-lowered;-steroids-blamed

Interestingly, initial reports indicate that during the hearing Lambesis' defense team blamed the plot on the steroids he uses as part of his weight-lifting regimen. Lambesis is also apparently suffering from steroid withdrawl in prison.

Also supplments are bad ummmkay.

Warwick said Lambesis' troubles began when he got into bodybuilding and "gym culture."

The frontman started taking supplements, then steroids, that led to what Warwick referred to as "changes in his physiological and mental status.

Oregano_State

Aquarius34 wrote: »

No I am not, steroid is a drug.

There is no such thing as "steroid".