Donegal County Council To Purchase 5 Bedroom House Worth €230000 For Traveller Family

martic

Lets hope they have good insurance out on it.


http://www.highlandradio.com/2013/02/11/arson-attack-at-controversial-ballyshannon-house/

There has been a suspected arson attack at a controversial house in Ballyshannon.
Members of the fire service were called to the scene of a house fire in the Parkhill area shortly before 3am this morning.
The house in question has been the root of much controversy in the town, as Donegal County Council recently purchased it at a price of €230,000 for the purposes of social housing. The five bedroom house in the upmarket Parkhill area was completely gutted in the fire which broke out at 3am this morning.

martic

Mary Dirty Landmark wrote: »

Oh no you di-hint.

Sure it's a Monday

I think there's a thread on this somewhere already. Give me a minute.

Edit: It's locked so I'll reopen this one.

zenno

What a waste of a fine house.

Sure some things were not meant to be. Was it anywhere near buncrana ? That's a nice spot, i used to live there many years ago.

SEPT 23 1989

I hope the council compensate the family for the stress of this happening to them,maybe give them a six bedroom house?

martic

zenno wrote: »

Was it anywhere near buncrana ?

Over an hour away on the other side of the county

Grayson

Not a bad price for a 5 bedroomed house. We really are screwed in dublin.

AlekSmart

This particular destructive incident is as suspicious as the Accquisition of the property in the first-place was,with it's "special permission from The Department to overspend" hoo-hah.

It will be most interesting to see if Donegal County Council will emerge from this financially unscathed

Doubtless The Gardaí will be rounding up members of Donegal County Council now to get them to account for their movements.... :rolleyes:

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/i-am-not-a-bigot-says-councillor-in-storm-over-230000-luxury-house-for-travellers-28960199.html

http://www.donegaldemocrat.ie/news/local/councillors-racist-attitude-quot-to-travellers-slammed-1-1997024

Sky King

Grayson wrote: »

Not a bad price for a 5 bedroomed house.

What getting it bought for you by the state at a cost to you of €0?

Yes that's a pretty good deal alright.

not yet

I'm Next,I'm next....

Please mister nice council offcial, I have worked for 30 years and paid all my taxes, I am in that horrible negitive equity and want a new house....how am I fixed.

Death and Taxes

Family given social housing! wow big deal!!

charlemont

Cúnts are taking the piss big time. They should get the same houses as the rest of us.

Death and Taxes

charlemont wrote: »

Cúnts are taking the piss big time. They should get the same houses as the rest of us.

So everyone in social housing now is a cúnt?:mad:
That covers a significant part of the population, was everyone who was raised in social housing a cúnt too?

omahaid

WileyCoyote wrote: »

So everyone in social housing now is a cúnt?:mad:
That covers a significant part of the population, was everyone who was raised in social housing a cúnt too?

I didn't read charlemonts post that way at all.

Boombastic

This house was bought for €26,000 more than the councils limit. Council house should be restricted to 3 bed houses. If you have more children and this is too small for you family, go buy your own house.

AlekSmart

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Family given social housing! wow big deal!!

Ah..But...but...bu...b...as you well know WC,this is no ordinary "Family GIVEN Social Housing" issue in the way you would wish us all to accept.

The entire "Social Housing" concept is widely discussed,on Boards and elsewhere,as are the more specific elements around this case.

I've no problem stating that YES,for a Local Authority to be given special authority for overspending in any specific case of this nature is a "Big Deal",particularly when such authorizations do not manifest themselves in the broader Social context.

However,lets suspend the rush to judgement until further facts concerning the destruction of this Publically Owned asset are available.

The fire may,after all,have been accidental ?

Czarcasm

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Family given social housing! wow big deal!!

It is when it's a five bedroom house worth €230k in fairness!

AlekSmart

omahaid wrote: »

I didn't read charlemonts post that way at all.

I'd venture that quite a few would'nt read it "that way" either.

I find it an oddly narrow minded way of interpreting the post.

The intent appears to revolve around making those who have issues with this particular housing policy appear to be against the greater mass of society also....does'nt wash with me though.

Death and Taxes

AlekSmart wrote: »

I'd venture that quite a few would'nt read it "that way" either.

I find it an oddly narrow minded way of interpreting the post.

The intent appears to revolve around making those who have issues with this particular housing policy appear to be against the greater mass of society also....does'nt wash with me though.

the story is about social housing, and he refferred to family in reciept of it as cúnts, so it seems obvious the he feels that people who avail of social housing are cúnts.
I cant see what else he could have meant.

omahaid

WileyCoyote wrote: »

the story is about social housing, and he refferred to family in reciept of it as cúts, so it seems obvious the he feels that people who avail of social housing are cúnts.
I cant see what else he could have meant.

WTF? I don't know where you're pulling this from.

Czarcasm

WileyCoyote wrote: »

the story is about social housing, and he refferred to family in reciept of it as cúts, so it seems obvious the he feels that people who avail of social housing are cúnts.
I cant see what else he could have meant.

The story is less about social housing and more about a €230k house that was earmarked to be given to a traveller family who don't travel.

Calling a traveller family cùnts was a bit OTT I grant you, but I personally don't think it's fair to blame a traveller family for the moron councillors in Donegal CC who approved the purchase of €230k on one house for social housing purposes. That's a crazy amount of money to be spending on one house for social housing.

donalg1

Czarcasm wrote: »

The story is less about social housing and more about a €230k house that was earmarked to be given to a traveller family who don't travel.

Calling a traveller family cùnts was a bit OTT I grant you, but I personally don't think it's fair to blame a traveller family for the moron councillors in Donegal CC who approved the purchase of €230k on one house for social housing purposes. That's a crazy amount of money to be spending on one house for social housing.

Yeah you are right they could have gotten a one bed for much less:rolleyes:

flutered

omahaid wrote: »

I didn't read charlemonts post that way at all.

neither do i.

donalg1

donalg1 wrote: »

Yeah you are right they could have gotten a one bed for much less:rolleyes:

Put these lovely people in a one bed and we'll probably have an apartment block going up in smoke.

Czarcasm

donalg1 wrote: »

Yeah you are right they could have gotten a one bed for much less:rolleyes:

As another poster already pointed out-

Boombastic wrote: »

This house was bought for €26,000 more than the councils limit. Council house should be restricted to 3 bed houses. If you have more children and this is too small for you family, go buy your own house.

And there are plenty of five bedroom houses dotted around the country that can be bought for a lot less than a quarter of a million euro.

You'd imagine the people for whom the house was intended wouldn't have a problem with relocating to another part of the country to avail of cheaper social housing.

Czarcasm

Czarcasm wrote: »

And there are plenty of five bedroom houses dotted around the country that can be bought for a lot less than a quarter of a million euro.

You'd imagine the people for whom the house was intended wouldn't have a problem with relocating to another part of the country to avail of cheaper social housing.

Ah here, it's not like these people are some sort of travelers who wou...oh wait.

AlekSmart

Czarcasm wrote: »

The story is less about social housing and more about a €230k house that was earmarked to be given to a traveller family who don't travel.

Calling a traveller family cùnts was a bit OTT I grant you, but I personally don't think it's fair to blame a traveller family for the moron councillors in Donegal CC who approved the purchase of €230k on one house for social housing purposes. That's a crazy amount of money to be spending on one house for social housing.

I saw the cnutts reference as being directed at the human bit-players in the Tube video,the REAL stars being the unfortunate horses.

In this particular instance I think it is a somewhat reserved and tame description for them.

I would agree that this "Special" provision of €230,000 remains worthy of discussion,along however, with the question of exactly what amount of such provision can be realistically afforded any family of 13.

AlekSmart

AlekSmart wrote: »

with the question of exactly what amount of such provision can be realistically afforded any family of 13.

THIS would be my first port of call. Followed by THIS.

AlekSmart

WileyCoyote wrote: »

the story is about social housing, and he refferred to family in reciept of it as cúnts, so it seems obvious the he feels that people who avail of social housing are cúnts.
I cant see what else he could have meant.

I demur at this "seems obvious" bit.

Charlemont's inclusion of a rather graphic photo,kinda removed any "confusion" I might have felt as to the intended target of the cnuts reference.

But it's all about perception I suppose ?

michael.dublin

Czarcasm wrote: »

The story is less about social housing and more about a €230k house that was earmarked to be given to a traveller family who don't travel.


today’s so called traveller, are the most settled EVER,
And most of them (not all) have never been on the road.
Today’s so called, traveller, are the most settled EVER, and most of them (not all) have never been on the road

Boombastic

michael.dublin wrote: »

Then was the last time, someone acturly did see traveller's, going around the country, and NOT liveing in houses.....
Today’s so called traveller, are the most settled EVER, and most of them (not all) have never been on the road.

Some go on their 'summer tours'

ShaunC

If said family are good with horses, can't we get them a social house near a slaughter house in Romania.;)

AlekSmart

Rojomcdojo wrote: »

THIS would be my first port of call. Followed by THIS.

Quite Rojomcdojo,however you will not have long to wait before you will be told of the oppressive uncaring attitude of greater Irish society towards employing such folk.

As for the Condoms....Well,possibly you will also be made aware of the very strong traditional bonds of Catholic Moral Teaching which govern their society,such teachings having long-since been abandoned by the rest of Irish society,for better or worse .

Phill Ewinn

Wonder what started the fire. Was it always burning since the world's been turning? If they didn't light it we they trying to fight it?

bettyswollocks

The intent appears to revolve around making those who have issues with this particular housing policy appear to be against the greater mass of society also....does'nt wash with me though.

Is this previous poster implying that these people are unclean? I detect a hint of sarcasm or racism towards our indigenous, nomadic brethren!

AlekSmart

bettyswollocks wrote: »

The intent appears to revolve around making those who have issues with this particular housing policy appear to be against the greater mass of society also....does'nt wash with me though[/B]. I simply do not accept WileyCoyote's attempt to extend the inference.

Is this previous poster implying that these people are unclean? I detect a hint of sarcasm or racism towards our indigenous, nomadic brethren!

On mature reflection, I have decided to re-phrase the offending statement,as although an old man,I am clean !

Death and Taxes

AlekSmart wrote: »

I demur at this "seems obvious" bit.

Charlemont's inclusion of a rather graphic photo,kinda removed any "confusion" I might have felt as to the intended target of the cnuts reference.

But it's all about perception I suppose ?

Are you implying that he was attempting through that photo to link a family in donegal directly with criminal activity in Cork and also to brand a whole community as cúnts? If he was I suggest he go up to John Joe Nevin and tell him he's a cúnt for representing Ireland so proudly in the Olympics!

donalg1

Czarcasm wrote: »

As another poster already pointed out-





And there are plenty of five bedroom houses dotted around the country that can be bought for a lot less than a quarter of a million euro.

You'd imagine the people for whom the house was intended wouldn't have a problem with relocating to another part of the country to avail of cheaper social housing.

And those other 5 beds would be suited to their needs in the same way as this was I suppose there were 13 of them after all, so they would require quite a large house.

AlekSmart

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Are you implying that he was attempting through that photo to link a family in donegal directly with criminal activity in Cork and also to brand a whole community as cúnts? If he was I suggest he go up to John Joe Nevin and tell him he's a cúnt for representing Ireland so proudly in the Olympics!

No I'm not,but I suspect thats reasonably obvious,as was Charlemonts OP.

The John Joe Nevin reference is irrelevant other than if attempting to drag the thread off on a tangent...

donalg1

donalg1 wrote: »

And those other 5 beds would be suited to their needs in the same way as this was I suppose there were 13 of them after all, so they would require quite a large house.

Seeing as there are 13 in this family, it is quite probable that over the years they have been offered, have accepted and then resided in other suitable accommodation for their needs.

I wonder what happened to those properties?

Death and Taxes

AlekSmart wrote: »

No I'm not,but I suspect thats reasonably obvious,as was Charlemonts OP.

The John Joe Nevin reference is irrelevant other than if attempting to drag the thread off on a tangent...

We got dragged off on a tangent when people started calling others cúnts and implying they were criminals.

flutered

i was driving thro a part of rural co limerick yesterday am, there were twenty yes 20 sulkeys with the horses tied outside a rc church, where a large crowd of men were skulling slabs of bud, i was quite jelous as i was not offered one, but due to cuts to my income i cannot afford to buy alchol any more

crockholm

AlekSmart wrote: »

Quite Rojomcdojo,however you will not have long to wait before you will be told of the oppressive uncaring attitude of greater Irish society towards employing such folk.

As for the Condoms....Well,possibly you will also be made aware of the very strong traditional bonds of Catholic Moral Teaching which govern their society,such teachings having long-since been abandoned by the rest of Irish society,for better or worse .

Don't forget the 9 commandments.thy neighbours goods got lost

flutered

AlekSmart wrote: »

Quite Rojomcdojo,however you will not have long to wait before you will be told of the oppressive uncaring attitude of greater Irish society towards employing such folk.

As for the Condoms....Well,possibly you will also be made aware of the very strong traditional bonds of Catholic Moral Teaching which govern their society,such teachings having long-since been abandoned by the rest of Irish society,for better or worse .

a

very, very little of catholic moral teaching govern their society, have a look at their recent history, fueding, etc etc, voilence governs their socity.

charlemont

WileyCoyote wrote: »

the story is about social housing, and he refferred to family in reciept of it as cúnts, so it seems obvious the he feels that people who avail of social housing are cúnts.
I cant see what else he could have meant.

Yea Your totally right, I think everyone looking for a council house is a cúnt.:rolleyes:

SHH Don't tell Wiley I'm on the housing list.

What else could I possibly have meant but sure thankfully we have WileyCoyote here to point it out...


Tell us please Wiley, How many council tenants get a house bought for them at a cost of €230000 ?



BTW I don't agree with the councillors view or the burning of the house. Travellers do take the piss not all of them but a sizeable amount of them and we all know it whether its politically correct to say or not.

Death and Taxes

charlemont wrote: »

Yea Your totally right, I think everyone looking for a council house is a cúnt.:rolleyes:

SHH Don't tell Wiley I'm on the housing list.

What else could I possibly have meant but sure thankfully we have WileyCoyote here to point it out...


Tell us please Wiley, How many council tenants get a house bought for them at a cost of €230000 ?




BTW I don't agree with the councillors view or the burning of the house. Travellers do take the piss not all of them but a sizeable amount of them and we all know it whether its politically correct to say or not.

Thanks for the clarification .:p

mikeym

What the point in working anymore???

Sure il make a few babies and get myself a nice big house from the council and pay buttons in rent.


Its a slap in the face to decent hard working folk who have big mortgages.

zenno

flutered wrote: »

a

very, very little of catholic moral teaching govern their society, have a look at their recent history, fueding, etc etc, voilence governs their socity.

Maybe they are just atheist, like me, as i was sculling a slab of beer with my horses.

not yet

mikeym wrote: »

What the point in working anymore???

Sure il make a few babies and get myself a nice big house from the council and pay buttons in rent.


Its a slap in the face to decent hard working folk who have big mortgages.

Yeah but the bleeding heart gang don't give a fcuk about you, they are too interested in standing up for the rights of the few who have little....what a joke.

People in this kip of a country are committing suicide day in day out because they cannot see a way out of the debt they are in..where is their support.

dvpower

Strange - The OP details an arson attack on a council property, but its hardly been mentioned by anyone in subsequent posts.

zenno

mikeym wrote: »

What the point in working anymore???

Sure il make a few babies and get myself a nice big house from the council and pay buttons in rent.


Its a slap in the face to decent hard working folk who have big mortgages.

I have a problem with this "decent hard working" part...

Just because someone works hard does not mean they are "decent". So just because someone works hard makes them a better human being than their fellow man ?.

Everyone has a choice in life, and whether they take the left fork in the road or the right, it shouldn't make them any less human and decent. imo.

It's the system we live in that allows anyone to choose what they want to do.