Double Jobbers Out!

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

On the way into work today I was behind a taxi and noticed a sticker on his rear window "DOUBLE JOBBERS OUT!".

I guess he is protesting about taxi drivers working a second job. I wonder does he care if people work double jobs in other industries.

What's the big deal exactly? If somebody wants to work a second job then let them, they are more than likely ambitious and hard working individuals and have invested in their taxi business.

This mentality is unreal.

Turtyturd

If they weren't crying about that they would be crying about something else.

HondaSami

It depends if tax is paid or if it's cash in hand.

jeni

Yeah was asking hubster bout the green stickers on there doors, n supossed to mean they are full time taxi drivers, so you know the difference

CramCycle

I presume it was a really bad attempt to have a go at two or more people illegally using the one taxi license, therefore keeping a plate on the road almost 24 hours a day, leading to an even more ridiculous level of competition.

If that was his intention though, I'd recommend that he take the time to become more articulate with his phrasing to get his point across. I would have thought the same thing as you, so maybe that is what he was trying to say.

Hobbes

Juliana Wrong Self-satisfaction wrote: »

I wonder does he care if people work double jobs in other industries.

Imagine you are working in another industry and your boss says they are going to cut your wages on Thursday-Sunday (assuming you work 7 days a week), because there are loads of other people who will work during that time. Now the money you get is less then what you can live on, but for the others they already have a secure full time job and this is just extra cash for them.

Although if I recall correctly they changed the tax system for taxi drivers to make it less of a profit for part timers (a few years back).

Also some companies stopped paying certain benefits for people with taxi plates (medical IIRC).

Grayson

jeni wrote: »

Yeah was asking hubster bout the green stickers on there doors, n supossed to mean they are full time taxi drivers, so you know the difference

If only there was a cheap and easy way to get a green sticker.

snubbleste

It's because people who have full-time careers (ie teachers) are also driving taxis as second jobs for extra income.

squod

Hobbes wrote: »

the tax system for taxi drivers

Made me laugh........

frankosw

snubbleste wrote: »

It's because people who have full-time careers (ie teachers) are also driving taxis as second jobs for extra income.

Teachers driving taxis now?

Thats a new one

Corkbah

Juliana Wrong Self-satisfaction wrote: »

On the way into work today I was behind a taxi and noticed a sticker on his rear window "DOUBLE JOBBERS OUT!".

I guess he is protesting about taxi drivers working a second job. I wonder does he care if people work double jobs in other industries.

What's the big deal exactly? If somebody wants to work a second job then let them, they are more than likely ambitious and hard working individuals and have invested in their taxi business.

This mentality is unreal.

this was a big issue a number of years ago ... taxi licences cost about €80K ... now they are €5K so anyone who wants to earn a little extra on the side is signing themselves up.

Yes, I agree that if someone wants to do a second job they should be allowed - as long as they are tax compliant and everything is above board.

I can also understand it from the Taxi driver point ....the market is saturated and because there is huge competition prices are dropping to a level where the person with a second income can supplement his lifestyle but the full-time taxi driver can't (unless he/she tries to find another job ...which in this economic climate is very difficult).

its a job with no perceived skills ...lets face it ...anyone with a licence can drive around and anyone with a sat nav can find a street address, other markets have also been hit with an influx of "weekend warriors" ... photographers, videographers etc .... there's no proper regulation in the industry and the client often does not know what they want or how much they should pay for it, so those with full-time jobs can afford to do the work at very cheap prices (cheaper than a full-time photographer can do them because of overheads)

Lets use the example of a wedding photographer ... he requires lets say he/she charges €2K for wedding photos (which is 8hours of being there on the day, album for the couple and 2 mini albums for parents...of course there are also plenty of meetings with the bride and groom prior to the wedding also ...and then the 3/4/5days of post processing the images afterwards) ...

he/she makes approx €500 profit for his "day" of work. ...he needs at least one wedding a week (approx 50weddings) to make a decent living ...because that €500 has to be spent on equipment, insurance, income tax, union fees, accountants fees, food, bills, transport etc etc

now.... someone doing a mon-friday job earning €500 ...they get into photography and want to earn a bit of extra money at weekends ...so offer their services as a wedding photographer ..but they offer to do the weddings for €1700 cash in hand - they can provide the exact same album and mini albums as the full-time professional, the bride and groom are paying out less so thats more spending money for the honeymoon, the "part-time" photographer makes €200 cash profit for his "day" of work ..so he/she is chuffed.... he/she doesn't have to pay union fees, accountants fees, insurance

.... because they are not regulated the "part-time" photographer gets more and more wedding work ...because he/she is cheaper than a "professional" and can do the same or a similar job, the "full-time" photographer cant compete on price because he simply cant afford to .... and within 12-18months the "part-time" photographer decides to make the move full-time into photography and the circle begins !! ..... he/she must increase their prices to ensure they can survive but then a "part-time" photographer takes the work from them.

Meh !! ... this is after hours .... "they tuk our jobs !!"

Teyla Emmagan

Pretty pointless IMO. Realistically you will get into the first taxi that stops and not give a damn about who is driving it or why. As long as they aren't obviously an axe murderer. The taxi drivers just want their little industry all sewn up again. Which was brilliant for them but epically rubbish for the consumer.

snubbleste

frankosw wrote: »

Teachers driving taxis now?
Thats a new one

It's been going on for years.

Banjo String

Prob having a go at Michael O'Leary OP.

High flying with Ryanair all day, then driving his personal Taxi on the side!

lazygal

snubbleste wrote: »

It's because people who have full-time careers (ie teachers) are also driving taxis as second jobs for extra income.

[Citation needed]

Corkbah

Corkbah wrote: »

.... because they are not regulated the "part-time" photographer gets more and more wedding work ...because he/she is cheaper than a "professional"
and can do the same or a similar job,

Except photography does involve a bit more skill than just point and click, so they won't get much work beyond family/friends who are stuck, especially when it's discovered they're not really that great after all. Meanwhile the professional should/will do a much better job and have a lot more experience

Gumbo

jeni wrote: »

Yeah was asking hubster bout the green stickers on there doors, n supossed to mean they are full time taxi drivers, so you know the difference

Green stickers are mandatory on all taxis now, not for full time drivers only. Each car will have to have them at next renewal of NCT yearly.

matchthis

What about a taxi driver not doing well enough he gets a part time job somewhere else? Door swings both ways. IMO Simone would do this to keep bills paid and not always by choice

snubbleste

lazygal wrote: »

[Citation needed]

Teachers, army personnel, office and factory workers have all taken to driving taxis, according to the National Taxi Drivers Union.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/story/business/qlkfkfsnoj/

lazygal

snubbleste wrote: »

Teachers, army personnel, office and factory workers have all taken to driving taxis, according to the National Taxi Drivers Union.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/story/business/qlkfkfsnoj/

That wouldn't be a biased source, coming as it does from a militant union?

Noel Kinsella

frankosw wrote: »

Teachers driving taxis now?

Thats a new one

No its not ! And firemen and bus drivers and builders etc etc BUT it is an open market so anyone with the correct plate, licence etc should be able to do it. We all have to remember this is an unskilled job (like cleaning toilets etc) so basically who do taxi drivers think they are ??????

syklops

snubbleste wrote: »

Teachers, army personnel, office and factory workers have all taken to driving taxis, according to the National Taxi Drivers Union.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/story/business/qlkfkfsnoj/

I knew a fella who was in the army. His version of the story was that he didnt feel well in the morning and asked to go home sick. In the afternoon he felt better so decided to go out in the taxi on the off chance. He got in hot water when he got a call to pick up at a restaurant and it was his commanding officer.

Teachers, gardai and other civil servants have been driving taxis on the side for years. Its not exactly news.

K.Flyer

snubbleste wrote: »

Teachers, army personnel, office and factory workers have all taken to driving taxis, according to the National Taxi Drivers Union.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/story/business/qlkfkfsnoj/

If they are all taking to driving taxis for a second income there must be still some money to be made.
Although I imagine its a bit of a ball breaker sitting on half mile long ranks for ages only to get a 10e fare for all that waiting.

o1s1n

snubbleste wrote: »

It's been going on for years.

That's amazing. I know an absolute bucket load of teachers and absolutely none of them are night time taxi drivers.

They must be using those new stealth taxis.

lazygal

o1s1n wrote: »

That's amazing. I know an absolute bucket load of teachers and absolutely none of them are night time taxi drivers.

They must be using those new stealth taxis.

Maybe only the obvious non national teachers do it?

Where To

It wouldn't bother me if everybody in the country had a taxi licence. Cream always rises.

tatli_lokma

o1s1n wrote: »

That's amazing. I know an absolute bucket load of teachers and absolutely none of them are night time taxi drivers.

They must be using those new stealth taxis.

Most of them do it during their long summer holidays, not at night.

Cantona's Collars

frankosw wrote: »

Teachers driving taxis now?

Thats a new one

I know a couple that drive hgv's during their holidays.

snubbleste

snubbleste wrote: »

It's because people who have full-time careers (ie teachers) are also driving taxis as second jobs for extra income.

And if they are and have all the necessary documentation they are perfectly entitled to do it same as anybody who chooses to work an 2nd job in another area to bring in some extra money

o1s1n

Little Ted wrote: »

Most of them do it during their long summer holidays, not at night.

Ah right, so when I see a sign on a taxi that says 'doubble jobbers out!' what it in fact means is -

'TEACHERS WHO DRIVE TAXIS DURING THEIR SUMMER HOLIDAYS, OUT!'

And it does not in fact relate to the legion of double jobbers who work during the day and drive taxis at night.

Thanks for the clarification.

johnr1

I drive luxury touring buses during the summer and I've noticed quite a few retired primary teachers coming into the business of late. They have the requisite knowledge of history and geography for the job. They also have a secure income for the year which makes them more competitive.
It's annoying, but the professionals in the industry have other advantages and it's up to us to make our offering better to compete.

This is just stupid pointless whining.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Corkbah wrote: »

this was a big issue a number of years ago ... taxi licences cost about €80K ... now they are €5K so anyone who wants to earn a little extra on the side is signing themselves up.

Yes, I agree that if someone wants to do a second job they should be allowed - as long as they are tax compliant and everything is above board.

I can also understand it from the Taxi driver point ....the market is saturated and because there is huge competition prices are dropping to a level where the person with a second income can supplement his lifestyle but the full-time taxi driver can't (unless he/she tries to find another job ...which in this economic climate is very difficult).

its a job with no perceived skills ...lets face it ...anyone with a licence can drive around and anyone with a sat nav can find a street address, other markets have also been hit with an influx of "weekend warriors" ... photographers, videographers etc .... there's no proper regulation in the industry and the client often does not know what they want or how much they should pay for it, so those with full-time jobs can afford to do the work at very cheap prices (cheaper than a full-time photographer can do them because of overheads)

Lets use the example of a wedding photographer ... he requires lets say he/she charges €2K for wedding photos (which is 8hours of being there on the day, album for the couple and 2 mini albums for parents...of course there are also plenty of meetings with the bride and groom prior to the wedding also ...and then the 3/4/5days of post processing the images afterwards) ...

he/she makes approx €500 profit for his "day" of work. ...he needs at least one wedding a week (approx 50weddings) to make a decent living ...because that €500 has to be spent on equipment, insurance, income tax, union fees, accountants fees, food, bills, transport etc etc

now.... someone doing a mon-friday job earning €500 ...they get into photography and want to earn a bit of extra money at weekends ...so offer their services as a wedding photographer ..but they offer to do the weddings for €1700 cash in hand - they can provide the exact same album and mini albums as the full-time professional, the bride and groom are paying out less so thats more spending money for the honeymoon, the "part-time" photographer makes €200 cash profit for his "day" of work ..so he/she is chuffed.... he/she doesn't have to pay union fees, accountants fees, insurance

.... because they are not regulated the "part-time" photographer gets more and more wedding work ...because he/she is cheaper than a "professional" and can do the same or a similar job, the "full-time" photographer cant compete on price because he simply cant afford to .... and within 12-18months the "part-time" photographer decides to make the move full-time into photography and the circle begins !! ..... he/she must increase their prices to ensure they can survive but then a "part-time" photographer takes the work from them.

Meh !! ... this is after hours .... "they tuk our jobs !!"

Very good point. I definitely agree. There's a lot of cowboys out there trying to make a quick buck and the service they offer is not that great. It's not fair when people can undercut like this, but in the taxi industry I can't see how it's a big problem.

dan1895

johnr1 wrote: »

This is just stupid pointless whining.

Its taxi drivers we're talking about, what do you expect?

ThisRegard

Turtyturd wrote: »

If they weren't crying about that they would be crying about something else.

Cyclists. Look at the recent cycling thread.

Noel Kinsella

johnr1 wrote: »

I drive luxury touring buses during the summer and I've noticed quite a few retired primary teachers coming into the business of late. They have the requisite knowledge of history and geography for the job. They also have a secure income for the year which makes them more competitive.
It's annoying, but the professionals in the industry have other advantages and it's up to us to make our offering better to compete.

This is just stupid pointless whining.

I believe teachers should have to work during the summer and get a standard 3 weeks off per year like the rest of us. I am sure the government can come up with stuff to do like tidying up the schools, gardening etc in the times we are in 3 months paid holidays is verging on the parasitic if you ask me.

Czarcasm

bluewolf wrote: »

Except photography does involve a bit more skill than just point and click, so they won't get much work beyond family/friends who are stuck, especially when it's discovered they're not really that great after all. Meanwhile the professional should/will do a much better job and have a lot more experience

The unfortunate thing about this is that often times the couple will forego the common sense step of asking to see the cowboy photographer/videographers portfolio of work, only concentrating on the fact that they're cheaper.

I get it a lot in my business as an IT Consultant- people coming to me after getting cheaper half àrsed jobs done (the most common one being illegal software installed which fails verification checks a couple of months down the line).

I outsource a lot of my work to people that are far more qualified to do it than I am too, one example being website design- I can do it, but I wouldn't do as good a job as a person that lives, eats and breathes the stuff!

I see pc repair shops and booths popping up all over town and a lot of people nowadays will go for the cheapest option as opposed to value for money from a professional (though in saying that, some of the tech people in the likes of pc world haven't hands to wipe their proverbials, yet charge premium prices!), and they get burned badly, eventually costing them more money in the long run.


In the case of the taxi driver industry though the difference is that because anyone who can drive can do it and fares are set by the taxi regulator, the customer can lose out by getting in a cab whose driver doesn't know their àrse from their elbow driving around Dublin and are dependent on an out of date sat nav map to get from A to B, as opposed to the full time driver who knows Dublin well and knows their way around.

This can result in increased fares for the customer and time delays whereas the full time driver will be far more efficient.

Turtyturd

ThisRegard wrote: »

Cyclists. Look at the recent cycling thread.

Most likely foreign cyclists.

In the long term it will balance out though. People who have been burned do post up/spread warnings "check in advance and don't do like I did". They will get burned for not taking a bit more responsibility, then in future they'll know better and go somewhere reliable. Happened to us with a boiler repair job recently, learned our lesson. Same for other family
People know in general "you get what you pay for", it's not new or revolutionary

Corkbah

bluewolf wrote: »

Except photography does involve a bit more skill than just point and click, so they won't get much work beyond family/friends who are stuck, especially when it's discovered they're not really that great after all. Meanwhile the professional should/will do a much better job and have a lot more experience

erm.... I'm not disputing that photography requires more skill but these days your marketing skills and a basic understanding of photography seem to be enough to get by.

the camera's themselves and basic cop-on can compensate for a lot of the normal errors....that ...combined with the fact that the general public and many people who hire photographers sometimes dont actually know what they want ...as long as its in focus and looks nice !!

Noel Kinsella

Czarcasm wrote: »

The unfortunate thing about this is that often times the couple will forego the common sense step of asking to see the cowboy photographer/videographers portfolio of work, only concentrating on the fact that they're cheaper.

I get it a lot in my business as an IT Consultant- people coming to me after getting cheaper half àrsed jobs done (the most common one being illegal software installed which fails verification checks a couple of months down the line).

I outsource a lot of my work to people that are far more qualified to do it than I am too, one example being website design- I can do it, but I wouldn't do as good a job as a person that lives, eats and breathes the stuff!

I see pc repair shops and booths popping up all over town and a lot of people nowadays will go for the cheapest option as opposed to value for money from a professional (though in saying that, some of the tech people in the likes of pc world haven't hands to wipe their proverbials, yet charge premium prices!), and they get burned badly, eventually costing them more money in the long run.


In the case of the taxi driver industry though the difference is that because anyone who can drive can do it and fares are set by the taxi regulator, the customer can lose out by getting in a cab whose driver doesn't know their àrse from their elbow driving around Dublin and are dependent on an out of date sat nav map to get from A to B, as opposed to the full time driver who knows Dublin well and knows their way around.

This can result in increased fares for the customer and time delays whereas the full time driver will be far more efficient.

In my experience Full Time drivers are more likely to go the long route to get that much needed extra buck. The new influx of taxi drivers is a good thing IMO I would rather be driven around by an off duty fireman or garda or teacher than the tow rags that ruled the industry for so long.

kylith

I can understand it from the taxi driver's point of view, but from my point of view it's a damn sight easier to get a taxi after a night out. Instead of me queuing at a rank for anything up to an hour they taxis are now queued up at the rank waiting for me. So, yeah, tough, taxi drivers.

Corkbah

Corkbah wrote: »

erm.... I'm not disputing that photography requires more skill but these days your marketing skills and a basic understanding of photography seem to be enough to get by.

the camera's themselves and basic cop-on can compensate for a lot of the normal errors....that ...combined with the fact that the general public and many people who hire photographers sometimes dont actually know what they want ...as long as its in focus and looks nice !!

Well if that's all they want and there's a genuine market for it, I don't see the harm
Plenty of creative professions can't be done full time unless you're very successful

Logical_Bear

frankosw wrote: »

Teachers driving taxis now?

on the plus side you might get an intelligent conversation out of them:pac:

Czarcasm

Noel Kinsella wrote: »

In my experience Full Time drivers are more likely to go the long route to get that much needed extra buck. The new influx of taxi drivers is a good thing IMO I would rather be driven around by an off duty fireman or garda or teacher than the tow rags that ruled the industry for so long.

Personal experience, personal choice and all that, I think Where To put it best when he said the cream always rises to the top, which is why I have a taxi driver on account who I regularly use as opposed to the type that'll charge the €2 pick up fee from the hotel and then another €1 luggage charge for my laptop bag, making the fare €7.40 before they even leave the kerb.

Corkbah

bluewolf wrote: »

Well if that's all they want and there's a genuine market for it, I don't see the harm
Plenty of creative professions can't be done full time unless you're very successful

I dont see the harm either ...as long as its all above board and there's no undercutting, if someone wants to work two jobs thats fine, but dont undercut trying to get the work as it devalues the profession in the eyes of the public.

I've been a working photographer for over 25yrs and have seen the changes from film to digital and I've seen people take photos with their phones and send them around the world for publication in other countries.

the problem with all professions is regulation - if the industry is properly regulated then the creative survive, similarly with the taxi industry - if it was properly regulated (ie. no criminal previous history of any kind, a set standard car, a designated colour/design and/or regulated hours....meaning someone starting off in the industry or part-time with a fresh licence MUST only work weekdays for a minimum of 2yrs ...like an apprenticeship of sorts)

Turtyturd

Czarcasm wrote: »

Personal experience, personal choice and all that, I think Where To put it best when he said the cream always rises to the top, which is why I have a taxi driver on account who I regularly use as opposed to the type that'll charge the €2 pick up fee from the hotel and then another €1 luggage charge for my laptop bag, making the fare €7.40 before they even leave the kerb.

That's working on the assumption there is cream though....these are taxi drivers we are talking about.:pac:

hyperborean

Logical_Bear wrote: »

on the plus side you might get an intelligent conversation out of them:pac:

They are so used to teaching subjects they havent studied that I very much doubt it,

leggo

Clicked into the topic expecting to rip the OP. Nice switcharoo there.

tin79

Juliana Wrong Self-satisfaction wrote: »

On the way into work today I was behind a taxi and noticed a sticker on his rear window "DOUBLE JOBBERS OUT!".

I guess he is protesting about taxi drivers working a second job.

Well done Sherlock

Corkbah

Corkbah wrote: »

the problem with all professions is regulation

Well, external regulation might prevent a lot of genuine startups due to more and more unreasonable regulations being added, and the time and cost required to meet them.
Self-regulation might be a way to go, promoting a society of photographers and advertising that you're a recognised member etc!

Ush1

There is probably easier second jobs to have I would think.