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Is there anything you believe in that does not have proof ?

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    #32
    Duggys Housemate
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    riffmongous wrote: »

    And whats greater than a multiverse?

    It's multiverses all the way down.


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    #33
    Branch Meeting
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    Why all the believe in the multiverse?

    Its called science of the gaps :pac:


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    #34
    smcgiff
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    And whats greater than a multiverse?

    Chuck Norris :cool:


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    #35
    kylith
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    I believe that it'll all turn out alright in the end.


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    #36
    eviltwin
    Registered Users Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Aliens


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    #37
    hollster2
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    ill probably be ripped to shreads in here for this but bigfoot some of the youtube videos ive seen are brilliant and some are totally ridiculous i believe there out there.


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    #38
    Branch Meeting
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    I believe my loved ones love me, they say and act so, but can I prove it in the mechanical detached scientifically sound way ? Nah.

    Also I believe Fish and Chips tastes better than Chicken Curry and Rice

    So I guess I do believe some things I cannot prove after all. Anyways opinion is belief, otherwise it would be fact, not opinion.


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    #39
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,634 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    It's multiverses all the way down.

    It seems to me to be no better than a lot of the proposals for the existence of gods except they used some fancier maths :rolleyes:


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    #40
    Bertie Woot
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 352 ✭✭Bertie Woot


    Branch Meeting wrote: »
    Normal, rational, intelligent, and properly educated people don't believe in God.

    Is there anything you believe in that does not have proof, or to put it another way, what do you believe is true even though you cannot prove it ?

    The very definition of belief entails that what you believe in does not have to exist. If you can prove something exists, take God for example, then you can stop believing in God, as you no longer have to, as you know for sure that he or it exists.

    And many educated people do believe in God.


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    #41
    Just Like Heaven
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    Bertie Woot wrote: »
    And many educated people do believe in God.

    The OP specified 'properly' educated for that reason.


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    #42
    baalthor
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    Duggys Housemate wrote: »
    The multiverse. Which is, by definition, unprovable.

    People are working on this ...

    http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=4iGEARcV8ds&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D4iGEARcV8ds


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    #43
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,776 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Silvio.Dante wrote: »
    Thank you for re-educating us her Goebbels...
    Only 12 posts for an invocation of Godwins Law?
    GodwinsLaw.jpg


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    #44
    mohawk
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    fewtinsoffroth wrote: »
    Sure with that logic you could believe in unicorns. At least there's sightings of them all over youtube.

    I really hope your not insinuating that unicorns don't exist. Next you will be saying that the Easter Bunny and Santa don't exist.


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    #45
    Zamboni
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    Abiogenesis


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    #46
    Canis Lupus
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    riffmongous wrote: »
    And whats greater than a multiverse?

    Leelu Dallas' multipass.


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    #47
    Branch Meeting
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    SeanW wrote: »
    Only 12 posts for an invocation of Godwins Law

    I'm always amused that people fall for this internet meme where memory of the Nazis, and what they did, must be airbrushed from history, and now its even illegal to even mention them or what they did, or that it was wrong, or compare any act to theirs. What a strange world we now live in.


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    #48
    SeanW
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    Branch Meeting wrote: »
    I'm always amused that people fall for this internet meme where memory of the Nazis, and what they did, must be airbrushed from history, and now its even illegal to even mention them or what they did, or that it was wrong, or compare any act to theirs. What a strange world we now live in.
    First bolded point, it's quite the opposite, Godwins Law is designed to ensure we do not cheapen the gravity of the Nazis actions by throwing terms like "Nazi" liberally or disagreeing with someone by yelling "Hitler" or something for a trivial reason.

    Godwins Law does not apply when you're discussing actual Nazis, something related to actual Nazis, or where there's a good reason for using "Hitler" "Goebells" "Nazi" etc.

    From what I could see there was nothing Nazi-esque about your OP so I consider the response by Silvio Dante to be a violation of Godwins Law. Ergo tha cat pic.

    On the other hand, if your OP was "Jews/Blacks (insert non-Aryan group here) are vermin and we'd be better off without them" then it would be approproate to respond with "Tell us more, dear Adolf."


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    #49
    Branch Meeting
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    Get a life. If anyone wants to mention the word Nazi in a sentance they are free to do so without you playing little made up huffy internet meme games.


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    #50
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,776 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Branch Meeting wrote: »
    Get a life.
    Wow that's really mature :cool:
    If anyone wants to mention the word Nazi in a sentance they are free to do so without you playing little made up huffy internet meme games.
    As you point out, free speech and all, people are free to make stupid "Reductio Ad Nazium" points. Correct. However it also true that others have the right to point this out.


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    #51
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    bnt wrote: »
    This question is vague because the word "believe" is so vague. There are things that I think are probably true - such as the existence of life around other stars. But there's a huge ontological gap between that and "bnt Believes in aliens". I don't Believe (with a capital B) in them, in anything remotely approaching the intensity or absolutism of religious belief. If I'm wrong ... meh.

    A general belief that life exists in places other than the Sol system, at this stage, is little more than looking at the available evidence and taking an educated guess based on the balance of probablilities. The evidence isn't persuasive either way, but what we know, e.g. the number of stars, and the percentage of same close enough to be able to spot orbiting planets which show orbiting planted, is indicative that there is a good chance of life existing.

    It is more akin to when a cricket coach and captain assign batting order based on run rates and players' past performance at different positions in that order (e.g. your highest scorer might be brilliant at 5 but can't handle the pressure of being first). They make an educated guess on available evidence which may be wrong, but if done properly is more likely to be right.

    Those who believe in little grey men, gang-probing half of America on the other hand...


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    #52
    Dades
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    Branch Meeting wrote: »
    Get a life. If anyone wants to mention the word Nazi in a sentance they are free to do so without you playing little made up huffy internet meme games.
    No, they're not. People are free to mention Nazis in the knowledge that other posters may consider their introduction to the discussion as clichéd and unhelpful, and are free to state this.

    Much like telling someone to "get a life".


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    #53
    professore
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    eyescreamcone wrote: »
    No evidence - but possible in my opinion.
    If life can survive on one planet why not on more??

    Saying something is possible is not the same thing as believing in it. From a scientific standpoint you have to accept that anything you cannot disprove is possible, although it doesn't mean you believe in it.

    I don't BELIEVE in aliens - but I think it's POSSIBLE they exist. As an atheist, I still think god is possible, but not the kind of caring just god that many people believe in. If he does exist, he doesn't intervene in our world at all.


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    #54
    Brian Shanahan
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    sealgaire wrote: »
    You believe in evolution so...?


    Um, what?

    There is nothing to "believe" about evolution. There are two evolutions, the process, which is an observed fact, for which belief is as sane as belief in the chair you sit at for your dinner.

    The other is the theory of evolution, which is accepted as the best current explanation for the how and why of the fact of the evolutionary process, and which is subject to change when better data or theories are published. Again belief is not relevant to it.


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    #55
    Geomy
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    I believe there are White Sharks in Irish waters and it's only a matter of time before we will have a verified sighting :)


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    #56
    eyescreamcone
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    Geomy wrote: »
    I believe there are White Sharks in Irish waters and it's only a matter of time before we will have a verified sighting :)

    Do you believe that these white sharks could be great??


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    #57
    Geomy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    eyescreamcone wrote: »

    Do you believe that these white sharks could be great??

    Sorry Great White Sharks :)


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    #58
    kiffer
    Registered Users Posts: 2,097 ✭✭✭kiffer


    I believe I am not a brain in a jar...


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    #59
    Brian Shanahan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,232 ✭✭✭Brian Shanahan


    Geomy wrote: »
    Sorry Great White Sharks :)

    Anyone of them with a low handicap in Golf?


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    #60
    Banbh
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    In conversation with a reasonable, literate articulate man the other day, the deforestation of Ireland and specifically the Burren came up. I remarked how the soil was eroded due to over-cultivation by our ancestors which is the current position of geologists and historians.
    My companion said 'I don't believe that.'
    I pointed out that several placenames in the area contain references to woods and trees and he replied 'I don't believe that'.
    There ended the conversation but I am still intrigued that there are people who think that knowledge accumulated by scientific examination may be 'believed' or not-believed as one chooses. I'm sorry I didn't probe further and see if he didn't believe in other things.


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    #61
    Geomy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,296 ✭✭✭Geomy


    Brian Shanahan wrote: »

    Anyone of them with a low handicap in Golf?

    Yeah,around the end of June I heard he arrives on Cornish Left,climbs up the cliffs.
    Can be seen cruising the bars in Lahinch on Saturdays,Tees off in Doonbeag on Sunday mornings.
    Likes a cigar now and again.
    He is known to eat bullhuss and tope for his breakfast,his roughage.
    Washes it down with discard juice...
    He goes back to the ocean mid September,swims off home to South Africa :)


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