Protecting pedophiles is not just a Catholic problem

Ranicand

Senior British rabbi filmed telling alleged child abuse victim not to go to the police http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/senior-british-rabbi-filmed-telling-alleged-child-abuse-victim-not-to-go-to-the-police-8471779.html

Ranicand

Channel 4 has a feature about this tonight at 10.30 Dispatches.

A victim of child sex abuse in one of Britain's religious communities goes undercover to expose the way his community has for decades been dealing with paedophilia.

In a year-long investigation, other victims of child abuse from this closed community express their anger about the lack of justice caused by their leaders' misguided approach to dealing with the issue.

In some cases those brave enough to complain to the police about their abusers have even been harassed, spat at and ostracised by other community members.

This Channel 4 Dispatches special report also reveals that an alleged child abuser was allowed to continue working with children, despite complaints from his victim.

And other victims, frustrated by their inability to bring child abusers to justice, tell Dispatches they've threatened and attacked those they believe to be paedophiles.

Odysseus

Ranicand wrote: »

Senior British rabbi filmed telling alleged child abuse victim not to go to the police http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/senior-british-rabbi-filmed-telling-alleged-child-abuse-victim-not-to-go-to-the-police-8471779.html

What's the context? In certain cases those who hace experienced abuse may not want or be ready to report and that should be respected. I have seen far too many people bullied into making a report that they did not want to make.

Now of course that is different to actively trying to prevent a person who wants to report from doing so. I can't access the vid at the moment.

Zebra3

Odysseus wrote: »

I have seen far too many people bullied into making a report that they did not want to make.

Really? :rolleyes:

Odysseus

Zebra3 wrote: »

Really? :rolleyes:

Why the roll eyes? Not believe me? Think everybody who experienced abuse wants to take it to court?

ScumLord

A priest, a minister and a rabbi walk into a shop, what happened after that is a matter for the courts.

thebigbiffo

Religion. It makes everyone that bit eviler.

Mr Benevolent

Odysseus wrote: »

Why the roll eyes? Not believe me? Think everybody who experienced abuse wants to take it to court?

Having more child abusers behind bars would also be good. Your statement is also true of rape victims (which in many cases are the same thing). What specifically makes you in favour of keeping the abusers out of prison? There are arguments on both sides.

padd b1975

Sadly, its a well known fact that the vast majority of paedophiles are protected by their own families.

Odysseus

Confab wrote: »

Having more child abusers behind bars would also be good. Your statement is also true of rape victims (which in many cases are the same thing). What specifically makes you in favour of keeping the abusers out of prison? There are arguments on both sides.

Yep, I have seen it in rape too. My concern is my client, if he or she is not ready or able to report that should be respected in my opinion.

That it means that the abuse is not reported is secondary in this case; of course I want to see any abuser child or adult in front of the courts, but not at the expense of the person who has already suffered a significant trauma.

Would you like to to see the person forced to report against their will?

joseph brand

padd b1975 wrote: »

Sadly, its a well known fact that the vast majority of paedophiles are protected by their own families.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Fiona Doyle's family try to prevent her from taking her sick (mentally) and evil father to court?

I also heard that Jimmy Saville's family kept shtum, because he was giving them money and gifts, and they didn't want it to end, even if he was a paedo. I don't know who's worse.

Ranicand

joseph brand wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Fiona Doyle's family try to prevent her from taking her sick (mentally) and evil father to court?

I also heard that Jimmy Saville's family kept shtum, because he was giving them money and gifts, and they didn't want it to end, even if he was a paedo. I don't know who's worse.

In the Fiona Doyle case the mother suck with the father and sided against her own daughter I think she should be behind bars too.

As regards Jimmy Saville's family they put a massive memorial on his grave and only got rid of it after the story broke.

squod

Big problem in most societies no? Don't think it's all down to white Irish homosexual priests.

Czarcasm

Protecting pedophiles never WAS just a catholic "problem" OP. Nothing new in that Dispatches report anyway-


Australia-

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/australian-sex-abuse-scandal-tars-name-of-venerated-chabad-rabbi-1.431373

America-

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/nyregion/ultra-orthodox-jews-shun-their-own-for-reporting-child-sexual-abuse.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Ranicand

Czarcasm wrote: »

Protecting pedophiles never WAS just a catholic "problem" OP. Nothing new in that Dispatches report anyway-


Australia-

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/australian-sex-abuse-scandal-tars-name-of-venerated-chabad-rabbi-1.431373

America-

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/nyregion/ultra-orthodox-jews-shun-their-own-for-reporting-child-sexual-abuse.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Thankfully this has never been an issue for me or anybody in my family.

The Jewish religion seems to be every bit as rotten as our own in respect to protecting evil perverts.

What I would think would be even more painful for victims is for family to turn their back on them as in the Fiona Doyle case.

There are going to sickos in all walks of life but protecting the perverts is just evil.

Ranicand

squod wrote: »

Big problem in most societies no? Don't think it's all down to white Irish homosexual priests.

It was not only homosexual priests many girls faced abuse too.

squod

squod wrote: »

Big problem in most societies no? Don't think it's all down to white Irish homosexual priests.

I wouldn't think any of it is down to white Irish homosexual priests. I think its down to paedophile priests.

mightdomighty

Ranicand wrote: »

The Jewish religion seems to be every bit as rotten as our own in respect to protecting evil perverts.

It's not specific to any particular religion really.

Some people are just c*nts

joseph brand

Every religion/ cult has similar problems.

If you notice in many cults, the 'leader' will invariably have been told by 'god', that he must be given cash, or that he must be allowed sleep with whomever he so wishes, be it the wives in his congregation, or, in other cases, children.

"It must be true, cos he told us!"

It's always the same.

As regards the OP; jewish rabbis recently made the headlines, with news of them putting their lips around the you-know-what, of small boys, being circumsised.

A group of rabbis is clashing with New York City health officials over the safety of an ancient circumcision ritual.

Three rabbis and three Jewish groups asked a federal court Thursday to block enforcement of a new regulation requiring written parental consent for a rite called "metzitzah b'peh," in Hebrew, which city health experts said can spread infection and has killed two children since 2004.

During the ritual, the person performing the circumcision attempts to cleanse the wound by sucking blood from the cut and spitting it aside.

The saliva contact puts the infant at increased risk of getting herpes simplex, a virus that is carried harmlessly by a large majority of adults but that can be deadly in newborns.

hidinginthebush

ScumLord wrote: »

A priest, a minister and a rabbi walk into a shop, what happened after that is a matter for the courts.

Did they molest the shop?

This is a particular closed sect, as is the case with the Satmar sect in New York.
Closed insular sects are absolutely ideal conditions for the proliferation of abuse of any kind, because the education is controlled and the abuse can be 'framed' otherwise in the mind of the victim and community at large.

There are well documented cases of serious abuse in the Amish community, where the abused children (all girls in this case) literally did not have the language to describe or even categorise what was happening, because the Amish give no sexual education, and use no sexual language, nor even name intimate body parts. If you can't say something, how can you accuse someone of it?

Cults are always bad news, and the really old ones are no better than the really new ones.

Siuin

You're right OP, protecting paedophiles isn't just a Catholic problem. It's also a Christian problem, a Muslim problem, a Jewish problem and an Atheist problem. Indeed, you could say that paedophilia is a HUMAN problem.

However, if people have gotten bored of making Israel threads and decided to use this tired story as a means of having a go at Jews, by all means...

Ranicand wrote: »

The Jewish religion seems to be every bit as rotten as our own in respect to protecting evil perverts.

Yeah, because Jews set up institutions in which they raped and killed children continually while the public turned a blind eye.
Oh wait, we didn't.

Well the Jews also allowed their figurehead to move around their religious leaders internationally to avoid prosecution for crimes against children, allowing them to offend again.
Oh wait, we didn't.

Well the Jews for sure force their clergy to remain in the unnatural state of celibacy all their lives.
Oh wait, we don't.

What a stupid non-story.

Odysseus

Candie wrote: »

There are well documented cases of serious abuse in the Amish community, where the abused children (all girls in this case) literally did not have the language to describe or even categorise what was happening, because the Amish give no sexual education, and use no sexual language, nor even name intimate body parts. If you can't say something, how can you accuse someone of it?

Any links to any of those cases? I would be quite interested in reading a about that case.

Czarcasm

Siuin wrote: »

What a stupid non-story.

Whatever your issues with the OP, I would respectfully ask that you not be so blasé about child abuse. Regardless of the perpetrators, these are hardly "non stories" as you so flippantly put it.

Odysseus

Odysseus wrote: »

Any links to any of those cases? I would be quite interested in reading a about that case.

I can't do a search at the moment, but I'll get back to you later.



Edit: Here's one particular case that stuck in my mind, a young girl who could only say that people were 'being bad' to her.
Sorry I can't do more indepth search for the more comprehensive paper, but this should lead you to it.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2365919&page=1

Odysseus

Candie wrote: »

I can't do a search at the moment, but I'll get back to you later.

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Cheers

Siuin

Czarcasm wrote: »

Whatever your issues with the OP, I would respectfully ask that you not be so blasé about child abuse. Regardless of the perpetrators, these are hardly "non stories" as you so flippantly put it.

Get over yourself :rolleyes:
This thread isn't about child abuse- it's about the OP trying to say that Jews are as bad as the Catholic Church.

starlings

Siuin wrote: »

Get over yourself :rolleyes:
This thread isn't about child abuse- it's about the OP trying to say that Jews are as bad as the Catholic Church.

Or, as you said yourself, it's a human problem. No religion has perfect followers.

In fact, I was glad you said that because lots of Catholics are as tired as you are at people bashing their religion because of its bad apples.

Czarcasm

Odysseus wrote: »

Any links to any of those cases? I would be quite interested in reading a about that case.

I don't know if it's the specific case Candie was referring to, but here's one case from the New York Times:


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/03/us/03amish.html


and an Amish woman's opinion on said case here:


http://aboutamish.blogspot.ie/2010/09/sexual-abuse-among-amish_08.html?m=1

1ZRed

Ranicand wrote: »

Senior British rabbi filmed telling alleged child abuse victim not to go to the police http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/senior-british-rabbi-filmed-telling-alleged-child-abuse-victim-not-to-go-to-the-police-8471779.html

Just by looking at the still for that video you can see what a fat disgusting bastard he is. Dirty cvnts like this are the lowest of the low :mad:

1ZRed

1ZRed wrote: »

Just by looking at the still for that video you can see what a fat disgusting bastard he is.

I don't think being overweight is part of the criteria for identifying child abusers. That's a bit unnecessary surely?

This man also is not an abuser per se although he certainly is an abuse enabler.

Siuin

1ZRed wrote: »

Just by looking at the still for that video you can see what a fat disgusting bastard he is. Dirty cvnts like this are the lowest of the low :mad:

Surely he'd need rapist glasses and a trench coat in order to complete the whole paedophile ensemble...

He's just an average looking Rabbi.

Doc Ruby

thebigbiffo wrote: »

Religion. It makes everyone that bit eviler.

It's not just religion, it's anywhere you have power without accountability. If people think they can get away with murder, don't be surprised if someone gets murdered.

1ZRed

Candie wrote: »

I don't think being overweight is part of the criteria for identifying child abusers. That's a bit unnecessary surely?

This man also is not an abuser per se although he certainly is an abuse enabler.

Unnecessary? I don't care. I described him as he was, no link between overweight or a child abuser and I never implied one. I hate this PC brigade shíte if ever you so mention being overweight negatively people jump down your throat about it.

Never said he was an abuser but telling victims to keep their mouths shut on the abuse is disgusting enough to me.

Ranicand

Siuin wrote: »

Get over yourself :rolleyes:
This thread isn't about child abuse- it's about the OP trying to say that Jews are as bad as the Catholic Church.

I said the Jewish religion not Jews.

And then you went on to say this was a non story.

Your opinion of me is obvious.

However do you agree or disagree with this piece of filth below?

Or maybe you have such a fair and balanced approach that you will wait until you get all the facts?

Channel 4 at 10.30PM.

I am going to stay tuned after that for Embarrassing Fat Bodies.

As the nation's waist size spirals out of control, the Embarrassing Bodies doctors help the seriously overweight cope with illnesses caused by obesity

The 2nd show is a bit late I may have to Sky Plus it.:)

Siuin

Ranicand wrote: »

I said the Jewish religion not Jews.

Newsflash: There is no Jewish religion without Jews.

Ranicand wrote: »

However do you agree or disagree with this piece of filth below?

Why on earth would you suggest that there was even a possibility of me 'agreeing' with the man in question? My point is that paedophilia is a problem right across the board- so while single out the Jews and compare them to the Catholic Church?

1ZRed

1ZRed wrote: »

Unnecessary? I don't care. I described him as he was, no link between overweight or a child abuser and I never implied one. I hate this PC brigade shíte if ever you so mention being overweight negatively people jump down your throat about it.

Never said he was an abuser but telling victims to keep their mouths shut on the abuse is disgusting enough to me.

Would you stop. You're not being persecuted by the PC brigade (of which I hold the rank of Commander in Chief?), but you can't tell a baddie by looking at them and plenty of dog-ugly people, complete with beer guts, are nice as pie.

The comment on his appearance was unnecessary, his ACTIONS are whats disgusting.

Ranicand

Siuin wrote: »

Newsflash: There is no Jewish religion without Jews.


Why on earth would you suggest that there was even a possibility of me 'agreeing' with the man in question? My point is that paedophilia is a problem right across the board- so while single out the Jews and compare them to the Catholic Church?

First of all I am a Catholic and the church has abused and covered up abuse I don't recall myself or any other Catholic even being asked for our opinion by the church.

This rabbi is trying to protect a pervert and two other stories have being linked to in the thread by another poster.

I did not say you agreed with that man but you seemed to avoid the subject by crying the race card.

Funny thing here is the Victim is Jewish also.

In this country we had years of this kind of carry on.

This thread is not an attack on the Jewish people that Rabbi would fit in well in Rome.

People siding with the abusers and protecting them.


I would have been called anti Catholic for saying this about the Church years ago.

Maybe it's time for other religions to air their dirty laundry too.

I would show Rabbis the very same level of respect I would show any priest.

starlings

Siuin wrote: »

Newsflash: There is no Jewish religion without Jews.


Why on earth would you suggest that there was even a possibility of me 'agreeing' with the man in question? My point is that paedophilia is a problem right across the board- so while single out the Jews and compare them to the Catholic Church?

I agree with you that it's insulting to ask if you agree or disagree with covering up abuse, as if paedophilia is a constitutional part of any religion. And I admire your courage in sticking up for the Irish Jewish community and international Jewish experience, even if I disagree with you politically. In fact, I'd love to know more about the Jewish community in Ireland in a friendlier context than a row on boards.

But I think the OP is singling out the Jewish religion because there's a documentary on about the cover-up of abuse in a particular Jewish community.

Still, the OP would be better off asking people what they think, as human beings, rather than members of a faith. Generalising based on faith is a waste of thought, and sometimes dangerous.

Czarcasm

Siuin wrote: »

Newsflash: There is no Jewish religion without Jews.


Why on earth would you suggest that there was even a possibility of me 'agreeing' with the man in question? My point is that paedophilia is a problem right across the board- so while single out the Jews and compare them to the Catholic Church?

Siuin with all due respect, I don't think it was a case of the OP singling out Jews, and certainly not by means of a "comparison" with the catholic church. I understood the OP to be making the point that it's not just the catholic church has covered up child abuse (most of us have been familiar with the incessant media coverage for the last two decades), but that jewish leaders have been known also to be just as complicit in covering up abuse scandals.

The thread timing was relevant, because of the Dispatches program being broadcast tonight on channel 4. The discussion in the thread however didn't specifically centre on the jewish religion specifically after the OP, but took on a wider context to encompass child abuse scandals and cover ups in other religions.


I'll hold my hands up and say that I always thought the constant media portrayal Jewish people have about their persecution was just that- a stereotype perpetrated by the media. Given the evidence of your own posts in this thread, it seems that stereotype may not be so far fetched after all.

In short- I don't think it's me needs to, as you so eloquently put it, "get over myself".

Siuin

Ranicand wrote: »

First of all I am a Catholic and the church has abused and covered up abuse I don't recall myself or any other Catholic even being asked for our opinion by the church.

This rabbi is trying to protect a pervert and two other stories have being linked to in the thread by another poster.

I did not say you agreed with that man but you seemed to avoid the subject by crying the race card.

First of all, Judaism is not a race. Last time I checked you couldn't 'convert' to being Asian or African.
Second of all, the Rabbi is indeed trying to cover up paedophilia. Similar isolated stories have also emerged. So you take the opportunity to say that the Jewish religion is allowing such things to happen? Complete fail. Judaism does not have a central body of power like the pope in the Catholic Church. What you have mentioned are isolated incidents, but most certainly not an international issue as happened in the Catholic Church. Tbh I have an issue with you trying to rationalise this issue at all to begin with- molesting or raping children is wrong, no matter who's doing it. By comparing what happened in the Catholic Church to incidents like this, you're not absolving anyone. The spin you're trying to put on it as being some kind of 'Jewish' issue is ridiculous.

Ranicand wrote: »

Funny thing here is the Victim is Jewish also.

Hilarious

Ranicand wrote: »

In this country we had years of this kind of carry on.

This thread is not an attack on the Jewish people that Rabbi would fit in well in Rome.

People siding with the abusers and protecting them.


I would have been called anti Catholic for saying this about the Church years ago.

Maybe it's time for other religions to air their dirty laundry too.

I would show Rabbis the very same level of respect I would show any priest.

The major difference there is that this happens in isolated events in the Jewish community- pretty much to the same extent as in any community. There's no value in comparing religions in terms of how perverted and evil you consider them to be. As a Jew, I don't find this video shameful in the slightest- because I'm looking at another person who does not represent me religiously. How about posting another video on the Prophet Muhammad's sexual encounters with his child bride? If you're going to 'air dirty laundry' why not do it right across the religious spectrum? I consider it to be a complete waste of time, but if you really think it's relevant and necessary, then by all means.

starlings

Siuin wrote: »

There's no value in comparing religions in terms of how perverted and evil you consider them to be.

exactly

Ranicand

Siuin wrote: »

As a Jew, I don't find this video shameful in the slightest- because I'm looking at another person who does not represent me religiously. How about posting another video on the Prophet Muhammad's sexual encounters with his child bride? If you're going to 'air dirty laundry' why not do it right across the religious spectrum? I consider it to be a complete waste of time, but if you really think it's relevant and necessary, then by all means.

No here but I have posted in threads defending the right to free speech here in Europe.

Remember the cartoons in the newspaper in Denmark?

Riots followed while some Muslims were still calling Islam the religion of peace.

Anyway this thread was about religious figures in power protecting perverts.

I know next to nothing about the structure of the Jewish faith.

I always assumed that a rabbi is much like the parish priest?
In a closed community this is a powerful position.

Now are regards the scale of the problem one abuser protected is one too many.

As regards religion I was born Catholic but am a proud atheist.

Now I seen your last reply you disagree with this beast.:)

Siuin

Ranicand wrote: »

I know next to nothing about the structure of the Jewish faith.

I always assumed that a rabbi is much like the parish priest?
In a closed community this is a powerful position.

No, a Rabbi has no such power. At all. A Rabbi is simply a learned person in Jewish law with whom people can consult on personal issues and who aids in conducting marriages, divorces etc. To give you an idea of how inconsequential a Rabbi is to a Jewish community- I lived in an area for almost all my life which didn't even have a Rabbi, just a synagogue and a cantor (who leads services)- and it was never a problem. The Jewish religion does not have the same hierarchical structure as the Catholic Church. The basis of the Jewish religion is peoples' own homes, not the synagogue (a structure which isn't even necessary- services can be done anywhere there are 10 Bar Mitzvahed men present).

Gummy Panda

Siuin wrote: »

The major difference there is that this happens in isolated events in the Jewish community- pretty much to the same extent as in any community. There's no value in comparing religions in terms of how perverted and evil you consider them to be. As a Jew, I don't find this video shameful in the slightest- because I'm looking at another person who does not represent me religiously. How about posting another video on the Prophet Muhammad's sexual encounters with his child bride? If you're going to 'air dirty laundry' why not do it right across the religious spectrum? I consider it to be a complete waste of time, but if you really think it's relevant and necessary, then by all means.

We already had the prophet Muhammad and his underage bride thread. No religion gets spared in AH.

Loss the antisemitism victim act. Its getting old.

Siuin

Gummy Panda wrote: »

We already had the prophet Muhammad and his underage bride thread. No religion gets spared in AH.

Loss the antisemitism victim act. Its getting old.

The day that boards.ie loses its Jewish and Israeli obsession

Madam_X

joseph brand wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Fiona Doyle's family try to prevent her from taking her sick (mentally) and evil father to court?

I also heard that Jimmy Saville's family kept shtum, because he was giving them money and gifts, and they didn't want it to end, even if he was a paedo. I don't know who's worse.

The rapist/paedo is worse.

squod wrote: »

Big problem in most societies no? Don't think it's all down to white Irish homosexual priests.

Homosexuality = paedophilia. Lol.
By that logic so, heterosexuality = paedophilia.

Siuin wrote: »

Get over yourself :rolleyes:
This thread isn't about child abuse- it's about the OP trying to say that Jews are as bad as the Catholic Church.

I don't agree that the cover-up of child abuse anywhere is a non story in fairness Siuin, but I understand how you felt the way you did about how the thread was presented. Even if the OP didn't mean it, saying "Not only catholicism has aided and abetted child abuse" doesn't look great. Don't think the OP meant that though.
As for Jewish people being that bit more sensitive, I can completely understand it. It didn't come out of the fresh air. Millennia of hate and persecution will do that to you.

1ZRed wrote:

I described him as he was, no link between overweight or a child abuser and I never implied one. I hate this PC brigade shíte if ever you so mention being overweight negatively people jump down your throat about it.

You totally implied it. "You can see what a fat disgusting bastard he is" is what you said. Does "PC" have to be applied to EVERYTHING that's not c*ntish?

KamiKazeKitten

Siuin wrote: »

The day that boards.ie loses its Jewish and Israeli obsession

I don't see a Jewish obsession on boards.


Discussing Israeli treatment of Palestinians doesn't equal obsession, and doesn't mean boards is trying to persecute Israel.

Siuin

KamiKazeKitten wrote: »

I don't see a Jewish obsession on boards.

Discussing Israeli treatment of Palestinians doesn't equal obsession, and doesn't mean boards is trying to persecute Israel.

For the size of the Jewish community in Ireland, they sure are brought up (very often negatively) a hell of a lot. Conspiracy Theories is basically half Jews/Zionists (often used interchangeably) and half BS theories on 9/11.

Discussion of Israel on boards is ridiculous- nextdoor their neighbours are slaughtering their own citizens in their thousands and yet all anyone here wants to do is drag up old stories from Ha'aretz. You can be guaranteed that there will be more than one thread going on Israel at any given time. I'm most certainly not the only member here who has noticed the disproportionate number of threads about Israel, or the fact that it's the same idiots who start such threads over and over again.

Dyr

them pesky jews, even when it was the catholic's I knew it was the jews

Madam_X

Siuin wrote: »

For the size of the Jewish community in Ireland, they sure are brought up (very often negatively) a hell of a lot. Conspiracy Theories is basically half Jews/Zionists (often used interchangeably) and half BS theories on 9/11.

Discussion of Israel on boards is ridiculous- nextdoor their neighbours are slaughtering their own citizens in their thousands and yet all anyone here wants to do is drag up old stories from Ha'aretz. You can be guaranteed that there will be more than one thread going on Israel at any given time. I'm most certainly not the only member here who has noticed the disproportionate number of threads about Israel, or the fact that it's the same idiots who start such threads over and over again.

The zionist conspiracy stuff is just nutters being nutters, but when it comes to the regular discussions re Israel/Palestine here and in Politics... I don't know why it's of such interest here. Possibly because of Ireland's history with occupation, and possibly because it's unbecoming of a democracy to behave in such a way towards another state, and because it has such backing from the United States, which posits itself as so opposed to oppression (I haven't an issue with the US for the most part - there is plenty about it that I like - but I do find some of its foreign policy questionable to say the least).

I'm a huge critic of the Israeli state's policy re Palestine, and the sometimes disproportionate actions of the IDF. Defence is obviously fair enough, but the amount of force used can exceed defence. Doesn't mean I'm critical of all Israeli citizens though, or unwilling to acknowledge the role of Hamas. When I criticise the Israeli state, I just mean at government level. It's not anti-semitism at all.
I also find some of the most hate-filled, far-right at times people are really "supportive" (quote-marks because I question their sincerity) of the Israeli state on Palestine, and I suspect they wouldn't have been fans of Jews prior to it becoming "in" to hate muslims. Also, they view the Palestine cause as a "hippy" one so automatically oppose it. It's crap for Israeli people that it's only these types who crawl out to defend them; if there were more reasonable people doing so, I'd bet the threads wouldn't become such heated sh1t-storms.

That said, if I were Jewish/Israeli, my defences would go up due to all these threads. It's fine to say it's not anti-semitic, but when it's droned on about constantly, it's still going to make any Jewish/Israeli (not just hardcore zionists) feel a bit too targeted, even it's not deliberate. Easy to say get over it, it's not aimed at them, but people can't help how they feel.