Protecting pedophiles is not just a Catholic problem

Ranicand · 30-01-2013 05:48PM #1

Senior British rabbi filmed telling alleged child abuse victim not to go to the police http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/senior-british-rabbi-filmed-telling-alleged-child-abuse-victim-not-to-go-to-the-police-8471779.html

Ranicand · 30-01-2013 05:53PM

Channel 4 has a feature about this tonight at 10.30 Dispatches.

A victim of child sex abuse in one of Britain's religious communities goes undercover to expose the way his community has for decades been dealing with paedophilia.

In a year-long investigation, other victims of child abuse from this closed community express their anger about the lack of justice caused by their leaders' misguided approach to dealing with the issue.

In some cases those brave enough to complain to the police about their abusers have even been harassed, spat at and ostracised by other community members.

This Channel 4 Dispatches special report also reveals that an alleged child abuser was allowed to continue working with children, despite complaints from his victim.

And other victims, frustrated by their inability to bring child abusers to justice, tell Dispatches they've threatened and attacked those they believe to be paedophiles.

Odysseus · 30-01-2013 05:59PM

Ranicand wrote: »

Senior British rabbi filmed telling alleged child abuse victim not to go to the police http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/senior-british-rabbi-filmed-telling-alleged-child-abuse-victim-not-to-go-to-the-police-8471779.html

What's the context? In certain cases those who hace experienced abuse may not want or be ready to report and that should be respected. I have seen far too many people bullied into making a report that they did not want to make.

Now of course that is different to actively trying to prevent a person who wants to report from doing so. I can't access the vid at the moment.

Zebra3 · 30-01-2013 06:10PM

Odysseus wrote: »

I have seen far too many people bullied into making a report that they did not want to make.

Really? :rolleyes:

Odysseus · 30-01-2013 06:13PM

Zebra3 wrote: »

Really? :rolleyes:

Why the roll eyes? Not believe me? Think everybody who experienced abuse wants to take it to court?

ScumLord · 30-01-2013 06:17PM

A priest, a minister and a rabbi walk into a shop, what happened after that is a matter for the courts.

thebigbiffo · 30-01-2013 06:17PM

Religion. It makes everyone that bit eviler.

Mr Benevolent · 30-01-2013 06:18PM

Odysseus wrote: »

Why the roll eyes? Not believe me? Think everybody who experienced abuse wants to take it to court?

Having more child abusers behind bars would also be good. Your statement is also true of rape victims (which in many cases are the same thing). What specifically makes you in favour of keeping the abusers out of prison? There are arguments on both sides.

padd b1975 · 30-01-2013 06:18PM

Sadly, its a well known fact that the vast majority of paedophiles are protected by their own families.

Odysseus · 30-01-2013 06:23PM

Confab wrote: »

Having more child abusers behind bars would also be good. Your statement is also true of rape victims (which in many cases are the same thing). What specifically makes you in favour of keeping the abusers out of prison? There are arguments on both sides.

Yep, I have seen it in rape too. My concern is my client, if he or she is not ready or able to report that should be respected in my opinion.

That it means that the abuse is not reported is secondary in this case; of course I want to see any abuser child or adult in front of the courts, but not at the expense of the person who has already suffered a significant trauma.

Would you like to to see the person forced to report against their will?

joseph brand · 30-01-2013 06:33PM

padd b1975 wrote: »

Sadly, its a well known fact that the vast majority of paedophiles are protected by their own families.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Fiona Doyle's family try to prevent her from taking her sick (mentally) and evil father to court?

I also heard that Jimmy Saville's family kept shtum, because he was giving them money and gifts, and they didn't want it to end, even if he was a paedo. I don't know who's worse.

Ranicand · 30-01-2013 06:36PM

joseph brand wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Fiona Doyle's family try to prevent her from taking her sick (mentally) and evil father to court?

I also heard that Jimmy Saville's family kept shtum, because he was giving them money and gifts, and they didn't want it to end, even if he was a paedo. I don't know who's worse.

In the Fiona Doyle case the mother suck with the father and sided against her own daughter I think she should be behind bars too.

As regards Jimmy Saville's family they put a massive memorial on his grave and only got rid of it after the story broke.

squod · 30-01-2013 06:36PM

Big problem in most societies no? Don't think it's all down to white Irish homosexual priests.

Czarcasm · 30-01-2013 06:36PM

Protecting pedophiles never WAS just a catholic "problem" OP. Nothing new in that Dispatches report anyway-

Australia-

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/australian-sex-abuse-scandal-tars-name-of-venerated-chabad-rabbi-1.431373

America-

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/nyregion/ultra-orthodox-jews-shun-their-own-for-reporting-child-sexual-abuse.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Ranicand · 30-01-2013 06:48PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Protecting pedophiles never WAS just a catholic "problem" OP. Nothing new in that Dispatches report anyway-

Australia-

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/australian-sex-abuse-scandal-tars-name-of-venerated-chabad-rabbi-1.431373

America-

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/10/nyregion/ultra-orthodox-jews-shun-their-own-for-reporting-child-sexual-abuse.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Thankfully this has never been an issue for me or anybody in my family.

The Jewish religion seems to be every bit as rotten as our own in respect to protecting evil perverts.

What I would think would be even more painful for victims is for family to turn their back on them as in the Fiona Doyle case.

There are going to sickos in all walks of life but protecting the perverts is just evil.

Ranicand · 30-01-2013 06:50PM

squod wrote: »

Big problem in most societies no? Don't think it's all down to white Irish homosexual priests.

It was not only homosexual priests many girls faced abuse too.

30-01-2013 06:54PM

squod wrote: »

Big problem in most societies no? Don't think it's all down to white Irish homosexual priests.

I wouldn't think any of it is down to white Irish homosexual priests. I think its down to paedophile priests.

mightdomighty · 30-01-2013 07:00PM

Ranicand wrote: »

The Jewish religion seems to be every bit as rotten as our own in respect to protecting evil perverts.

It's not specific to any particular religion really.

Some people are just c*nts

joseph brand · 30-01-2013 07:01PM

Every religion/ cult has similar problems.

If you notice in many cults, the 'leader' will invariably have been told by 'god', that he must be given cash, or that he must be allowed sleep with whomever he so wishes, be it the wives in his congregation, or, in other cases, children.

"It must be true, cos he told us!"

It's always the same.

As regards the OP; jewish rabbis recently made the headlines, with news of them putting their lips around the you-know-what, of small boys, being circumsised.

A group of rabbis is clashing with New York City health officials over the safety of an ancient circumcision ritual.

Three rabbis and three Jewish groups asked a federal court Thursday to block enforcement of a new regulation requiring written parental consent for a rite called "metzitzah b'peh," in Hebrew, which city health experts said can spread infection and has killed two children since 2004.

During the ritual, the person performing the circumcision attempts to cleanse the wound by sucking blood from the cut and spitting it aside.

The saliva contact puts the infant at increased risk of getting herpes simplex, a virus that is carried harmlessly by a large majority of adults but that can be deadly in newborns.

hidinginthebush · 30-01-2013 07:02PM

ScumLord wrote: »

A priest, a minister and a rabbi walk into a shop, what happened after that is a matter for the courts.

Did they molest the shop?

30-01-2013 07:08PM

This is a particular closed sect, as is the case with the Satmar sect in New York.
Closed insular sects are absolutely ideal conditions for the proliferation of abuse of any kind, because the education is controlled and the abuse can be 'framed' otherwise in the mind of the victim and community at large.

There are well documented cases of serious abuse in the Amish community, where the abused children (all girls in this case) literally did not have the language to describe or even categorise what was happening, because the Amish give no sexual education, and use no sexual language, nor even name intimate body parts. If you can't say something, how can you accuse someone of it?

Cults are always bad news, and the really old ones are no better than the really new ones.

Siuin · 30-01-2013 07:15PM

You're right OP, protecting paedophiles isn't just a Catholic problem. It's also a Christian problem, a Muslim problem, a Jewish problem and an Atheist problem. Indeed, you could say that paedophilia is a HUMAN problem.

However, if people have gotten bored of making Israel threads and decided to use this tired story as a means of having a go at Jews, by all means...

Ranicand wrote: »

The Jewish religion seems to be every bit as rotten as our own in respect to protecting evil perverts.

Yeah, because Jews set up institutions in which they raped and killed children continually while the public turned a blind eye.
Oh wait, we didn't.

Well the Jews also allowed their figurehead to move around their religious leaders internationally to avoid prosecution for crimes against children, allowing them to offend again.
Oh wait, we didn't.

Well the Jews for sure force their clergy to remain in the unnatural state of celibacy all their lives.
Oh wait, we don't.

What a stupid non-story.

Odysseus · 30-01-2013 07:20PM

Candie wrote: »

There are well documented cases of serious abuse in the Amish community, where the abused children (all girls in this case) literally did not have the language to describe or even categorise what was happening, because the Amish give no sexual education, and use no sexual language, nor even name intimate body parts. If you can't say something, how can you accuse someone of it?

Any links to any of those cases? I would be quite interested in reading a about that case.

Czarcasm · 30-01-2013 07:26PM

Siuin wrote: »

What a stupid non-story.

Whatever your issues with the OP, I would respectfully ask that you not be so blasé about child abuse. Regardless of the perpetrators, these are hardly "non stories" as you so flippantly put it.

30-01-2013 07:27PM

Odysseus wrote: »

Any links to any of those cases? I would be quite interested in reading a about that case.

I can't do a search at the moment, but I'll get back to you later.

Edit: Here's one particular case that stuck in my mind, a young girl who could only say that people were 'being bad' to her.
Sorry I can't do more indepth search for the more comprehensive paper, but this should lead you to it.

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=2365919&page=1

Odysseus · 30-01-2013 07:30PM

Candie wrote: »

I can't do a search at the moment, but I'll get back to you later.

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Cheers

Siuin · 30-01-2013 07:31PM

Czarcasm wrote: »

Whatever your issues with the OP, I would respectfully ask that you not be so blasé about child abuse. Regardless of the perpetrators, these are hardly "non stories" as you so flippantly put it.

Get over yourself :rolleyes:
This thread isn't about child abuse- it's about the OP trying to say that Jews are as bad as the Catholic Church.

starlings · 30-01-2013 07:39PM

Siuin wrote: »

Get over yourself :rolleyes:
This thread isn't about child abuse- it's about the OP trying to say that Jews are as bad as the Catholic Church.

Or, as you said yourself, it's a human problem. No religion has perfect followers.

In fact, I was glad you said that because lots of Catholics are as tired as you are at people bashing their religion because of its bad apples.

Czarcasm · 30-01-2013 07:42PM

Odysseus wrote: »

Any links to any of those cases? I would be quite interested in reading a about that case.

I don't know if it's the specific case Candie was referring to, but here's one case from the New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/03/us/03amish.html

and an Amish woman's opinion on said case here:

http://aboutamish.blogspot.ie/2010/09/sexual-abuse-among-amish_08.html?m=1

1ZRed · 30-01-2013 07:45PM

Ranicand wrote: »

Senior British rabbi filmed telling alleged child abuse victim not to go to the police http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/senior-british-rabbi-filmed-telling-alleged-child-abuse-victim-not-to-go-to-the-police-8471779.html

Just by looking at the still for that video you can see what a fat disgusting bastard he is. Dirty cvnts like this are the lowest of the low :mad:

30-01-2013 07:48PM

1ZRed wrote: »

Just by looking at the still for that video you can see what a fat disgusting bastard he is.

I don't think being overweight is part of the criteria for identifying child abusers. That's a bit unnecessary surely?

This man also is not an abuser per se although he certainly is an abuse enabler.

Protecting pedophiles is not just a Catholic problem

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