Stanley cooker problem

Dtp79

I haven't a huge amount of experience with these cookers. When the cooker is on for about an hour it goes to lockout. The customer resets it and it goes again for about an hour then lockout. I serviced it in August so I know all is clean. Anybody come across a similar problem with these. It's a twin burner and problem is on cooker side.

Billy Bunting

Could be lots of things but Solenoid or Transformer would be a good bet.

Dtp79

Billy Bunting wrote: »

Could be lots of things but Solenoid or Transformer would be a good bet.

I don't have a large amount of parts for these burners and its an hour from the nearest suppliers! I'm hoping to fix it in one go hopefully. The customer is the mother in law too!!

Billy Bunting

You could swap the coil from the other burner and try it to be sure, that fails do the same with Transformer and so on.

jimf

it sounds like a solenoid coil as billy pointed out if the time lockout is consistent

and as its the mother in law no dinner for the rest of the week if its not right and no brownie points from she who must be obeyed

shane0007

Solenoid

Dtp79

shane0007 wrote: »

Solenoid

Thanks lads. I actually have a solenoid in the van. Why would it restart though if solenoid was the problem?

Billy Bunting

OK till they warm up.

shane0007

Sorry it is the solenoid coil rather than the solenoid itself. As the temperature increases, it can affect the resistance of the faulty coil and cause it to drop the solenoid cutting the fuel supply.

Dtp79

shane0007 wrote: »

Sorry it is the solenoid coil rather than the solenoid itself. As the temperature increases, it can affect the resistance of the faulty coil and cause it to drop the solenoid cutting the fuel supply.

Fitted the solenoid today and all running well lads. Thanks for the help

Dtp79

Dtp79 wrote: »

Fitted the solenoid today and all running well lads. Thanks for the help

Back in trouble again with the same cooker. The cooker burner again. Was working fine since solenoid change. Called today. Burner locking out again. Runs for 14 seconds, dosent fire. Took burner out saw nothing wrong. Reset and away it goes. 5 or six times grand. Then lockout again. Pump pressure ok, unplugged photocell and still didn't fire so ruled that out. Friend says it might be transformer leads or tight spot on pump. Any help welcome.

shane0007

Dtp79 wrote: »

Back in trouble again with the same cooker. The cooker burner again. Was working fine since solenoid change. Called today. Burner locking out again. Runs for 14 seconds, dosent fire. Took burner out saw nothing wrong. Reset and away it goes. 5 or six times grand. Then lockout again. Pump pressure ok, unplugged photocell and still didn't fire so ruled that out. Friend says it might be transformer leads or tight spot on pump. Any help welcome.

Unplugging the photocell will only test the photocell when it is causing the burner to continuously run without firing. A faulty photocell causing lockout will still be same. The only test for that without specialist equipment is to try a new photocell.

Billy Bunting

Transformer.

Dtp79

shane0007 wrote: »

Unplugging the photocell will only test the photocell when it is causing the burner to continuously run without firing. A faulty photocell causing lockout will still be same. The only test for that without specialist equipment is to try a new photocell.

When I say I unplugged it I meant I cut the wire cause I couldn't actually unplug it from the block of wires. Would it not fire for a few seconds then lockout if photocell wire removed?

Dtp79

Billy Bunting wrote: »

Transformer.

Do they sometimes work intermittently billy?

shane0007

Dtp79 wrote: »

When I say I unplugged it I meant I cut the wire cause I couldn't actually unplug it from the block of wires. Would it not fire for a few seconds then lockout if photocell wire removed?

It will depend upon the control box. If it does not get a darkness signal it may not enter the ignition stage.

Billy Bunting

Dtp79 wrote: »

Do they sometimes work intermittently billy?

Yes, both solenoid and transformers have intermitent problems.

Difficult to test with intermitent problem, normally add a connector block on supply to transformer and check it for power.

Dtp79

shane0007 wrote: »

It will depend upon the control box. If it does not get a darkness signal it may not enter the ignition stage.

Would you no if that's the case with the ecoflam burner on the Stanley?

shane0007

Dtp79 wrote: »

Would you no if that's the case with the ecoflam burner on the Stanley?

Off hand no. Replacement is only sure way, I'm afraid but it could easily be transformer as Billy suggests. Photocell generally fail or don't fail. Rarely intermittent unless dirty.

jimf

try closing the gap on the electrodes if the transformer is weak you may or may not get enough power to generate spark if the arc is narrowed down

Dtp79

Billy Bunting wrote: »

Transformer.

New transformer, new leads and new photocell just gone in. Now it fires for 30 seconds, stops firing, restarts for a few seconds then stops, tries to fire then lockout. What more can I do!!!!!!

Billy Bunting

Bucking Hell!!! Is there a brick wall near by ? :eek:

Dtp79

Billy Bunting wrote: »

Bucking Hell!!! Is there a brick wall near by ? :eek:

Now I'm after removing the heating burner to go back in at the cooker one. I just fired it before I took it out and it's going 3 minutes now. Loose wire somewhere maybe?

Dtp79

Dtp79 wrote: »

Now I'm after removing the heating burner to go back in at the cooker one. I just fired it before I took it out and it's going 3 minutes now. Loose wire somewhere maybe?

I'm just about to give up here. Done all I can do I think. Changed solenoid, photocell, nozzle, leads, transformer and capacitor. Oh Ye changed the electrodes too. Oil pressure is perfect even when it's trying to re ignite so I've ruled out the pump.forgot to mention I put in a new control box too and still fault occurred

shane0007

Dtp79 wrote: »

I'm just about to give up here. Done all I can do I think. Changed solenoid, photocell, nozzle, leads, transformer and capacitor. Oh Ye changed the electrodes too. Oil pressure is perfect even when it's trying to re ignite so I've ruled out the pump.forgot to mention I put in a new control box too and still fault occurred

Solenoid stem valve?

jimf

have you checked the motor fan any build up of fluff restricting the air intake

Billy Bunting

shane0007 wrote: »

Solenoid stem valve?

+1, Stem would be my next try.

Dtp79

jimf wrote: »

have you checked the motor fan any build up of fluff restricting the air intake

Fans ok. It's a balanced flue taking air from outside

Dtp79

shane0007 wrote: »

Solenoid stem valve?

What would be wrong with that? Would it not show up in the gauge if that was going wrong?

shane0007

Dtp79 wrote: »

Fans ok. It's a balanced flue taking air from outside

You would have sooting before locking out issue if that was the issue anyhow.

shane0007

Dtp79 wrote: »

What would be wrong with that? Would it not show up in the gauge if that was going wrong?

No. You would still have pump pressure. It could be blocked or only partially opening or not opening, i.e. stuck.
If you don't have one, take one off another pump or just replace the pump for a few minutes to confirm.

Dtp79

shane0007 wrote: »

No. You would still have pump pressure. It could be blocked or only partially opening or not opening, i.e. stuck.
If you don't have one, take one off another pump or just replace the pump for a few minutes to confirm.

Ill do that so. I have a pump there in the van. Thanks For that lads

Dtp79

Dtp79 wrote: »

Ill do that so. I have a pump there in the van. Thanks For that lads

Changed the stem in the pump and guess what?????????


Nothing!! Fcuking thing still not working. Was on the phone to Stanley and they pretty much repeated everything I did. I've thrown in the towel and asked a Stanley serviceman to come out. Maybe in his years of experience he's seen something like this before.

jimf

Dtp79 wrote: »

Changed the stem in the pump and guess what?????????


Nothing!! Fcuking thing still not working. Was on the phone to Stanley and they pretty much repeated everything I did. I've thrown in the towel and asked a Stanley serviceman to come out. Maybe in his years of experience he's seen something like this before.

isnt that a proper ballcocks please post back and let us know the outcome

Dtp79

jimf wrote: »

isnt that a proper ballcocks please post back and let us know the outcome

I will indeed

shane0007

Dtp79 wrote: »

Changed the stem in the pump and guess what?????????
Nothing!! Fcuking thing still not working. Was on the phone to Stanley and they pretty much repeated everything I did. I've thrown in the towel and asked a Stanley serviceman to come out. Maybe in his years of experience he's seen something like this before.

I would have changed the whole pump just to see. Easy change it back if same problem. Is nozzle wet or dry after firing attempt?

Dtp79

shane0007 wrote: »

I would have changed the whole pump just to see. Easy change it back if same problem. Is nozzle wet or dry after firing attempt?

I only had a RH pump. LH on burner. Nozzle is slightly damp

shane0007

Dtp79 wrote: »

I only had a RH pump. LH on burner. Nozzle is slightly damp

Did you hear it spark?
Did you change the nozzle?

Dtp79

shane0007 wrote: »

Did you hear it spark?
Did you change the nozzle?

Ye it definately sparks and I did change the nozzle, electrodes, electrode cables, transformer, photocell, solenoid, solenoid stem,

shane0007

Dtp79 wrote: »

Ye it definately sparks and I did change the nozzle, electrodes, electrode cables, transformer, photocell, solenoid, solenoid stem,

Then it has to be either dodgy nozzle or a dodgy pump. If it is sparking, the nozzle is wet so fuel is getting through but is it atomised?
What is the pump pressure doing at the point of spark? Any loss? Nozzle holder hairline cracks that are fairly invisible to the eye but under pressure...?

Dtp79

shane0007 wrote: »

Then it has to be either dodgy nozzle or a dodgy pump. If it is sparking, the nozzle is wet so fuel is getting through but is it atomised?
What is the pump pressure doing at the point of spark? Any loss? Nozzle holder hairline cracks that are fairly invisible to the eye but under pressure...?

Don't know about the nozzle holder but pressure is staying perfect the whole way through until lockout. Sometimes it won't even fire too. It all depends on the mood it's in!!

Dtp79

Dtp79 wrote: »

Don't know about the nozzle holder but pressure is staying perfect the whole way through until lockout. Sometimes it won't even fire too. It all depends on the mood it's in!!

UPDATE!!
Stanley man got it going
A switch on the flue outside was burnt out he told the mother in law.
I didn't check anything with the flue outside cause the heating burner worked fine.
Thanks for all the help anyway lads

Billy Bunting

Dtp79 wrote: »

UPDATE!!
A switch on the flue outside was burnt out he told the mother in law.

Switch on flue outside ?

Dtp79

Billy Bunting wrote: »

Switch on flue outside ?

Ye it's a low level flue with a fan built into it. When I was on the phone to Stanley they said not to go near it as if that wasn't working neither burner would work!!

jimf

so to a degree so it was air restricted

Dtp79

jimf wrote: »

so to a degree so it was air restricted

There was no fan on the air intake. The fan was on the flue. Air goes in at the bottom. Anyway never puttin me hands on one them feckin cookers again

shane0007

Dtp79 wrote: »

UPDATE!!
Stanley man got it going
A switch on the flue outside was burnt out he told the mother in law.
I didn't check anything with the flue outside cause the heating burner worked fine.
Thanks for all the help anyway lads

Oh the ol' switch on the flue outside trick. The times I've used that one......
Absolute sh1te. It would not cause lock out. If installed correctly it would give no power, i.e. interlock. They are a €1,000 unit that their sales guys seem to insist to overcome weird flue arrangements.

Dtp79

shane0007 wrote: »

Oh the ol' switch on the flue outside trick. The times I've used that one......
Absolute sh1te. It would not cause lock out. If installed correctly it would give no power, i.e. interlock. They are a €1,000 unit that their sales guys seem to insist to overcome weird flue arrangements.

I'm not too familiar with them Shane. I was told he "bypassed" it

shane0007

Dtp79 wrote: »

I'm not too familiar with them Shane. I was told he "bypassed" it

I had a barney with them a few years ago as they wanted to install an illegal flue. Their solution was to charge an extra €1,000 for this flue fan to enable flue gases to be omitted. Client went with their recommendation in the end. It was a boom boom install so I walked & let them install it in whatever manner they wished. From what I hear, the client has had nothing but hardship with it since.

Dtp79

shane0007 wrote: »

I had a barney with them a few years ago as they wanted to install an illegal flue. Their solution was to charge an extra €1,000 for this flue fan to enable flue gases to be omitted. Client went with their recommendation in the end. It was a boom boom install so I walked & let them install it in whatever manner they wished. From what I hear, the client has had nothing but hardship with it since.

They seem shiite alright

Billy Bunting

Dtp79 wrote: »

When I was on the phone to Stanley they said not to go near it as if that wasn't working neither burner would work!!

EXACTLY, I was of the impression this was an Oven Burner issue only.