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Women priests - will it ever happen?

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    #32
    Dfmnoc
    Registered Users Posts: 183 ✭✭Dfmnoc


    why anyone would want to associate with the catholic church in this day and age is beyond me just shows the stupidity of some people


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    #33
    Roadtrippin
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    Dfmnoc wrote: »
    why anyone would want to associate with the catholic church in this day and age is beyond me just shows the stupidity of some people

    Judgmental much? I am not a great believer myself but there has to be room to leave people to their own faith, right?
    Some people like the feeling of community the church has to offer and others just feel they are Catholics since they grew up with it. Either way, it doesn't matter what people believe - it's down to individual choice and shouldn't be condemned if you ask me. You can only condemn those people in the Catholic church that have done wrong.


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    #34
    Dfmnoc
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    Roadtrippin wrote: »
    Judgmental much? I am not a great believer myself but there has to be room to leave people to their own faith, right?
    Some people like the feeling of community the church has to offer and others just feel they are Catholics since they grew up with it. Either way, it doesn't matter what people believe - it's down to individual choice and shouldn't be condemned if you ask me. You can only condemn those people in the Catholic church that have done wrong.

    I'm not condemning them for there faith or believes, just for there support for the church its self


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    #35
    Roadtrippin
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    Dfmnoc wrote: »
    I'm not condemning them for there faith or believes, just for there support for the church its self

    Fair enough. Despite the fact that the Catholic Church has had many members that did terrible things, the majority of members are still good people. There are plenty of Irish Catholics out there that never did any harm or that have done a lot of charity work.
    I think you need to distinguish between church members, the church authorities, religion etc. I personally wouldn't send my child (if I had one) to a Catholic church if I can help it, simply because I believe the church authorities havent dealt appropriately with the offenders in their church and I would be afraid to trust a church that doesn't condemn abuse openly and swept it under the rug the way they have done. However, I still have the utmost respect for a lot of church members that are decent people. I may not share all of their beliefs but I can respect them. If they want to remain in the church that's their choice. Doesn't mean they support everything that happens in the Catholic Church.


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    #36
    coffee_cake
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    WileyCoyote (Accelleratii Incredibus!) wrote: »
    Being a member should not require blind loyalty and obedience, .

    unless you're in the catholic church where that's pretty much in the rulebook


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    #37
    fits
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    ^ I think a lot of that is down to current 'management'. It could change quite quickly in my opinion. Not while the current fella is there though.


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    awec
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    #39
    krudler
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    fits wrote: »
    ^ I think a lot of that is down to current 'management'. It could change quite quickly in my opinion. Not while the current fella is there though.

    But why be part of an organisation who you want to change their rules? Wouldn't it make more sense to find an church who's outlook you agree with more? (not you personally, just in general) Its such an odd Irish thing, to disagree with most of what the church says, but not want to leave, is it some kind of "what will the neighbours think" thing?

    Ages back I was dating someone whose parents were staunch catholics, yet they stopped buying Ballymaloe relish after all that controversy, it boggles the mind, you wouldnt eat something because a person linked to it was involved in child porn, but an entire organisation which practiced abuse on an industrial level is fine? irony meter off the charts.


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    #40
    Fluorescence
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    I can't help but wonder why this question still arises all the time when the Roman Catholic Church's hands are, effectively, tied. The oldest teachings and scriptures* outline most clearly the differing roles that men and women play in the hierarchy of the church. The Church doesn't consider herself to have the authority to change this - rather it's seen that the Church must follow and obey Christ's divine will. Agree or disagree as you like, but that doesn't change the fact the Church cannot and will not ever ordain a woman. If it did, it would no longer be Roman Catholicism, and thus not in accordance with the will of God. They would not be true believers (cause we all know Catholics are the only real ones :rolleyes: ).

    If I remember right, Pope JP II (or maybe the first one) wrote a statement of papal infallibility that closed the door once and for all for priestesses. It ain't happening. If you don't like it, change to a different denomination that fits you better.

    For the record, I'll just state that I'm agnostic atheist.


    *I'll come back later to plug in some quotes/links, but I'm not able to right now


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    #41
    Dark Phoenix
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    krudler wrote: »
    But why be part of an organisation who you want to change their rules? Wouldn't it make more sense to find an church who's outlook you agree with more? (not you personally, just in general) Its such an odd Irish thing, to disagree with most of what the church says, but not want to leave, is it some kind of "what will the neighbours think" thing?

    .

    I kind of agree with this. Every organisation and religion is entitled to make their own rules. so if the catholic church is not up for female priests, divorce etc than that's their decision.
    If you don't agree with it why not join a different religion whose ethos more closely matches your own? Why stay part of a religion whose views you fundamentally disagree with?


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    #42
    fits
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    Well I guess that's why a lot of people are lapsed.

    So personally I am not part of it but care too little to actively seek out an alternative. if they reform I might think about it again. Otherwise, meh..... I guess I just don't feel strongly enough about it to actually leave.

    I was in Spain recently for work and ended up staying in a monastery one night. It was a massive ancient, and impressive place. I decided to get up early to go to matins ( monks singing hymns) to see if I would find any peace or something. I'm not really sure why.

    There were all these guys in robes. Young and old. And this is what they do, day in, day out. there was no peace. And it all just felt pointless.


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    #43
    eviltwin
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    I've no interest in religion, I left the church a few years ago and now call myself an athiest. I'd only go to a church for weddings etc.

    I personally find it hard to understand why someone could still support an organisation that has such out of touch views and that continues to cause hurt to so many but I'm not going to judge anyone, if it makes you happy fair enough. A lot of people get a lot of comfort from their faith and if God or whoever gets you through a tough time in your life then great. But I think some people can't separte their faith from the church itself.

    The only thing that does bug me is when people I know who seem to almost hate the church and all it stands for still insist on getting their kids bapthised thinking they will be bullied or treated like an outcast if they don't.


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    #44
    krudler
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    Dark Phoenix wrote: »
    I kind of agree with this. Every organisation and religion is entitled to make their own rules. so if the catholic church is not up for female priests, divorce etc than that's their decision.
    If you don't agree with it why not join a different religion whose ethos more closely matches your own? Why stay part of a religion whose views you fundamentally disagree with?

    This, its like joining a club that you completely disagree with, and expect them to change their rules to suit you, not the other way around.


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    #45
    Faith
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    krudler wrote: »
    This, its like joining a club that you completely disagree with, and expect them to change their rules to suit you, not the other way around.

    It's not though. Most people are born into the church, they don't choose to join it. If you believe in one religious faith, you can't just decide to join another IMO. It makes much more sense to try and encourage reform, I think.

    /Edit: Just in case there's any confusion with my username, I'm an atheist. I just think the matter is being over-simplified by comparing it to joining a club.


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    #46
    krudler
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    Faith wrote: »
    It's not though. Most people are born into the church, they don't choose to join it. If you believe in one religious faith, you can't just decide to join another IMO. It makes much more sense to try and encourage reform, I think.

    /Edit: Just in case there's any confusion with my username, I'm an atheist. I just think the matter is being over-simplified by comparing it to joining a club.

    And aren't the church delighted for that. Get em young being the RCC's both official and unofficial with double meaning motto :pac:

    Nobody is born a Catholic, you're indoctrinated into it. And again if you don't agree with the rules, find a religion that suits you better.


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    #47
    fits
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    I always thought that the people were the church. Not the priests and not the Vatican.
    I think reform would make sense. They have the infrastructure and the ( dwindling) membership. I won't hold my breath though.


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    #48
    coffee_cake
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    fits wrote: »
    I always thought that the people were the church. Not the priests and not the Vatican. .

    For any other church that isn't based on their fundamentals, yes, probably.
    Faith wrote:
    Most people are born into the church, they don't choose to join it. If you believe in one religious faith, you can't just decide to join another
    The problem we are talking about though is that people don't believe in half of stuff in this faith anyway. Their beliefs would be more aligned with another church. but they stay out of some "how DARE you say I'm not whatever I want to call myself", much like a vegetarian who eats meat


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    #49
    nokia69
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    I find it strange that people who never even go to mass and have no belief in any type of god or gods even care if the catholic church have women priests

    leave them alone

    and if you are a menber of the catholic church and the fact that wonem can't be priest pisses you off so much, just leave and join another religion


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    awec
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    #51
    nokia69
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    awec wrote: »
    Well, the issue here is that the church has it's hand in the pie when it comes to running this country. It's influence unfortunately extends far beyond mass on a sunday morning.

    true but that influence is getting weeker all the time

    I just find it strange that non catholics even care


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    #52
    Lingua Franca
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    I don't care but I have an opinion, if that's ok with you Nokia69.


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    #53
    panda100
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    nokia69 wrote: »
    true but that influence is getting weeker all the time

    I just find it strange that non catholics even care

    They still run the majority of our hospitals, disability services and educational institutions, as well as being allowed frequent private meetings with the taoiseach. So as a tax paying citizen I care very much what the RC church gets up to.

    As far as I'm concerned If your a Catholic and believe women should be priests, then you're not really a Catholic.


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    #54
    captainpants23
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    I am assuming that the question in the thread title refers to women becoming Catholic priests. My answer to the question would be: it will never happen. Never. The Catholic church is not a democracy. Its a male-dominated hierarchical autocracy engaged in a global conspiracy to cover up the rape and torture of children, and it shall remain so.


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