Processed Chicken.... Well not exactly

smokey20

Hi all,

I have recently started putting my cooked chicken breasts, rice and broccoli in to a food processor, mulching it up so as it forms a paste like substance.

I then package it in tubs and bring with me to eat at different intervals during the day. When I say eat, I mean shovel it in to my mouth and wash it straight back with water.

It's a simple and quick way of eating the required amounts of this otherwise very bland meal.

And finally I get to my question.... Probably a stupid question, but here goes... Is there any nutritional drawbacks to food processing your food this way and just swallowing it with water?

Your replies will be much appreciated.

Thanks

daenerysstormborn3

That sounds absolutely disgusting. For me to stick to any sort of eating habit, I have to enjoy eating it, whatever it may be. You can't seriously enjoy eating that?

smokey20

Genuinely it's grand hardly taste it as its literally in my mouth a few seconds and then down the trap with a drop of water... Very handy for eating large amounts of it.... However I am concerned for some reason that I may be losing some nutritional value?

miss tickle

There's nothing wrong with it but you could add more nutritional value and flavour with a few more ingredients, add some garlic, pepper, chili, tumeric, curry cummin, hemp oil, coconut oil, nuts, is it supposed to be oil free or low cal or have you carte blanche.

Zombienosh

Well if its blended into paste I'd imagine its getting digested a bit quicker.

smokey20

It's not supposed to be low cal anyway... 150gr (cooked weight) chicken, 100gr rice and handful of broccoli in each serving by 4 sittings along with dinner in between and a 5 egg and half cup of oats omelette to start the day... I'm hoping its not low cal as intention is to put on some bulk inline with a weight lifting programme.. I haven't worked out my calorie requirements but it seems like a lot of food to me... Male, 29, 14stone, 6ft 2!!

smokey20

Zombienosh wrote: »

Well if its blended into paste I'd imagine its getting digested a bit quicker.

Yes this was a concern of mine... Is this a bad thing that it is digested quicker, or does it just mean I will be hungry sooner than if it was solid food?

Zombienosh

There is no downside other than yes you might be hungry again sooner as it is digested faster.

miss tickle

smokey20 wrote: »

Yes this was a concern of mine... Is this a bad thing that it is digested quicker, or does it just mean I will be hungry sooner than if it was solid food?

It means both, It will digest quicker but may take less energy to break it down, which is good, I presume.

smokey20

Zombienosh wrote: »

There is no downside other than yes you might be hungry again sooner as it is digested faster.

Thanks Zombienosh, do you think from my very brief diet plan I have posted in a few posts earlier that it is a low cal diet?

smokey20

miss tickle wrote: »

It means both, It will digest quicker but may take less energy to break it down, which is good, I presume.

Thanks miss tickle.. Same question goes to you.. Do you think from the very brief diet plan I posted a few posted back that it is a low cal diet?

banquet

Zombienosh wrote: »

Well if its blended into paste I'd imagine its getting digested a bit quicker.

I doubt that very much, isn't that what our teeth do anyway when we chew food.

Mellor

smokey20 wrote: »

Thanks miss tickle.. Same question goes to you.. Do you think from the very brief diet plan I posted a few posted back that it is a low cal diet?

It's not low calorie at all. It could be 3500-4000 calories.

I think some of the other posters didn't understand you you were doing this with your food.

miss tickle

Mellor wrote: »

It's not low calorie at all. It could be 3500-4000 calories.

I think some of the other posters didn't understand you you were doing this with your food.

No, I wasn't sure, lack of fats etc., I thought it might have been a high protein lowish carb, sowwy

Zombienosh

banquet wrote: »

I doubt that very much, isn't that what our teeth do anyway when we chew food.

I dont think teeth are as good as a food processor.

smokey20

thanks guys... not the biggest market research on my behalf, however I have come to the conclusion that it has no nutritional disadvantage from this way of eating/drinking and that it is a high enough calorie plan.

I recommend anyone looking to eat large to follow suit as it goes down quiet well.

Mellor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA3YirnapTI

Gummy Panda

Mellor wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA3YirnapTI

And I thought those tuna and orange juice shakes I heard off were vile..

KTRIC

Mellor wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA3YirnapTI

I'm going to try that tomorrow

john_cappa

Realistically you will not be able to keep this up long term.

Variety and enjoyment are important facets of any diet and lifestyle. I cant see how what your doing is sustainable for a number of months let alone as a long term choice.

Kash

I'm no expert at all, but if you are swallowing paste with water, then you are probably not chewing at all, right?

In which case, your chicken meal won't have the usual digestive enzymes secreted by the mouth (which if I recall correctly start digesting starch and fat and also kill off lots of otherwise harmful bacteria). So I suppose it could actually slow your digestion down, or impede your absorption of it?

Just a theory though!

smokey20

john_cappa wrote: »

Realistically you will not be able to keep this up long term.

Variety and enjoyment are important facets of any diet and lifestyle. I cant see how what your doing is sustainable for a number of months let alone as a long term choice.

I disagree, however only time will truly tell. Im 100% committed to building mass & mass & mass and keeping it there and eating large amount of clean food is a good way to do this. Im eating soley for the reason just stated and taste is not an issue.

smokey20

Kash wrote: »

I'm no expert at all, but if you are swallowing paste with water, then you are probably not chewing at all, right?

In which case, your chicken meal won't have the usual digestive enzymes secreted by the mouth (which if I recall correctly start digesting starch and fat and also kill off lots of otherwise harmful bacteria). So I suppose it could actually slow your digestion down, or impede your absorption of it?

Just a theory though!

Yea, this is the type of thing I want to know more about... Yea, there is no chewing involved, simply put food in to mouth & drink back with water.. I certainly dont wanna poison myself if my normal chewing process and subsequent syliva producing is not breaking down the bacteria.

I have only been eating this way - baby like puree - since Monday. I had a big breakfast of eggs & porridge about 730am followed by my paste - 150gr chicken, 100gr rice & dose of brocolli at 1045am and now its 10mins before my next dining experience at 145pm and Im starving... even though iv been sitting in front of a computer all morning.

smokey20

@mellor my computer is not picking up that image/link, howver Im sure its a beautiful concoction of sorts

Mellor

Kash wrote: »

In which case, your chicken meal won't have the usual digestive enzymes secreted by the mouth (which if I recall correctly start digesting starch and fat and also kill off lots of otherwise harmful bacteria). So I suppose it could actually slow your digestion down, or impede your absorption of it?

Just a theory though!

That might effect the rice (starch) but not chicken breast. The fat enzyme is also produced in our stomach.
So it's probably better with the rice on the side, but it's a minor change.

I would sweat about bacteria either.

john_cappa

How long are you training? Not long I assume from your stats?

How long have you been doing this and how many times a day?

If you keep it up fair play but I don't thinks its a heathy relationship to develope with food.

Kash

I did some quick googling this morning and found a few more interesting tidbits which basically boiled down to:

1. Chewing your food (i.e. mixing it with saliva, rather than bunging it in a food processor) creates a bolus which you then swallow - each bolus is the correct size and shape to be processed by the rest of your digestive system.

2. The enzymes in the mouth allow the enzymes in the stomach/intestine to act quicker, enhancing nutrient absorption.

3. Chewing exercises the mouth and jaws promoting correct orthodontic structure.

My conclusion: if you liquidize all food, you are likely to end up mal-nourished and slack jawed. This guy comes to mind :


(Personally, I can't see any harm with having some of your food like that though, its not much different to soup, is it?)

smokey20

john_cappa wrote: »

How long are you training? Not long I assume from your stats?

How long have you been doing this and how many times a day?

If you keep it up fair play but I don't thinks its a heathy relationship to develope with food.

I haven't been training properly for a year and a half but am back in a good frame of mind for it now and am prepared to go all out for it to get (as gay as it sounds) the body that I want. I have only been back working out and eating this way the last week. I eat this way for mid morning, lunch and mid afternoon with a solid form breakfast and dinner.

Why do you think it's not a healthy relationship to develop with food?

Kash wrote: »

I did some quick googling this morning and found a few more interesting tidbits which basically boiled down to:

1. Chewing your food (i.e. mixing it with saliva, rather than bunging it in a food processor) creates a bolus which you then swallow - each bolus is the correct size and shape to be processed by the rest of your digestive system.

2. The enzymes in the mouth allow the enzymes in the stomach/intestine to act quicker, enhancing nutrient absorption.

3. Chewing exercises the mouth and jaws promoting correct orthodontic structure.

My conclusion: if you liquidize all food, you are likely to end up mal-nourished and slack jawed. This guy comes to mind :


(Personally, I can't see any harm with having some of your food like that though, its not much different to soup, is it?)

Ha ha great effect with Clidus... I assure u if I start looking anywhere near like him il stop... Do you think constantly chewing chewing gum would make up for the lack of chewing and enzyme producing that I'm missing out in for the 3 meals mentioned above?

john_cappa

3 meals a day of paste mmmmmmm! Lol

I just can't see it as a viable longer option! Mentally you will begin to reject it very quickly! You say you are willing to do this to get the body you want. Once you have it why then? You will need to maintain it! Are you going to do this for the next 10 years?

Why not eat normally? There is so much you can do with food. Viewing food purely for its nutritional benefit is not the best route to success.

All IMO of course.

Gummy Panda

OP you must be a big fan of RoboCop if you are making your food like his.

smokey20

john_cappa wrote: »

3 meals a day of paste mmmmmmm! Lol

I just can't see it as a viable longer option! Mentally you will begin to reject it very quickly! You say you are willing to do this to get the body you want. Once you have it why then? You will need to maintain it! Are you going to do this for the next 10 years?

Why not eat normally? There is so much you can do with food. Viewing food purely for its nutritional benefit is not the best route to success.

All IMO of course.

Valid point u make re me doing this to get the body I want and what will I do to maintain it.. Ur right I can't see myself doing this for 10years.. Very good point which I hadn't thought of.. I guess il have to get the body 1st and then consider what my next step will be..

"Why not eat normally"... I do for 3 of my 6 meals a day... I'm just eating this way as its quick and I need quick eating during the day.

Last point.. This phrase "paste" has been misconstrued.. It is blended and each rice grain is probably half the size it should be and the chicken and broccoli is the same size as the halved rice grain.. So it's not quiet "paste", just blended food!

smokey20

Gummy Panda wrote: »

OP you must be a big fan of RoboCop if you are making your food like his.

Funny you should say that.. I used to idolise him when I was younger.. Each time I'd watch his movies I used to walk around the place in a machine like fashion and talk strange... When I used to watch Rambo I'd tie my school tie around my head and go around beating the **** out of things.. Oh happy days.

But re the"paste" refer to my previous post which portrays the consistency of it better!

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

tbh..i think I could eat that
people seem to be imagining the pink slime stuff instead of just... ordinary food in tiny tiny pieces

john_cappa

Do you add any liquid when blending it? If dry I think I could stomach it!

We need pics?!

smokey20

john_cappa wrote: »

Do you add any liquid when blending it? If dry I think I could stomach it!

We need pics?!

No liquid added.. Just taken with water... I'm making another batch of it tomorrow and will post a pic of it then... There is nothing to stomach, very little taste off it and certainly not a bad taste.

Kash

smokey20 wrote: »

Ha ha great effect with Clidus... I assure u if I start looking anywhere near like him il stop... Do you think constantly chewing chewing gum would make up for the lack of chewing and enzyme producing that I'm missing out in for the 3 meals mentioned above?

I have nothing to base my opinion on, but as I was typing it, I was thinking that chewing gum might offset the effects, certainly on maintaining your orthodontic shape at least. As for the enzymes, I'm not sure how they are triggered, but in the interests of science, it's worth a shot!

If you can genuinely see yourself keeping it up, then I'd just keep an eye on your energy levels, skin/hair condition etc as they'll be the first to show signs of any nutrient deficiency. But it can't be that bad for you, both babies and old people are fed purées regularly.

smokey20

Kash wrote: »

But it can't be that bad for you, both babies and old people are fed purées regularly.

Yes, my thoughts exactly!

smokey20

john_cappa wrote: »

Do you add any liquid when blending it? If dry I think I could stomach it!

We need pics?!

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A little less blended than usual but still as easy to get down, so this will be the consistency il be blending to from now on... Hope the pic attaches properly but I have my doubts!!

Gummy Panda

that looks more like shredded chicken

john_cappa

I would be banging Nandi s sauce on that and eating lol! Looks okay! I thought you were drinking it so to speak!

smokey20

Previous batches have been more blitzed than that, however even at that consistency I still just put in my mouth give one or 2 chews for good measure and drink back...

micko4

This is a brilliant idea ha! Was in stitches laughing at the start but it makes sense it has to be the easiest way for you to get your clean calories in,no different than takin a mass gainer which is pure liquid..but the gainer would be a lot of sugar..keep a log of how your gettin on I might try this as an alternative to the shakes..it must taste half decent? Very dry? How many breasts of chicken do you use?

smokey20

micko4 wrote: »

This is a brilliant idea ha! Was in stitches laughing at the start but it makes sense it has to be the easiest way for you to get your clean calories in,no different than takin a mass gainer which is pure liquid..but the gainer would be a lot of sugar..keep a log of how your gettin on I might try this as an alternative to the shakes..it must taste half decent? Very dry? How many breasts of chicken do you use?

Well Micko, yea still giving this socks and I appreciate you seeing the genius in my "brilliant idea".

It is a great way to get the required amount of clean calories in to the body. It is as dry as a.... however the pints of water used to get it down the throat sort that part out and there is not much taste off it, good or bad.

I get through about 30 180-200grm fillets per week... Each blend of which I have 3 per day consists of circa 165grms cooked weight of chicken breast.

Tis great!!!

Seachmall

The British Army did this exact thing as an experiment. They blended chicken, rice, veg and a cup of water and served it to some soldiers. It was to the test satiety of foods in different forms. If I remember correctly it resulted in the soldiers feeling fuller for up to three times longer than if they'd taken it in the more traditional form.

It was discussed in the BBC show "10 Things You Need to Know about Losing Weight" which you can find online.

Funk It

Seachmall wrote: »

The British Army did this exact thing as an experiment. They blended chicken, rice, veg and a cup of water and served it to some soldiers. It was to the test satiety of foods in different forms. If I remember correctly it resulted in the soldiers feeling fuller for up to three times longer than if they'd taken it in the more traditional form.

It was discussed in the BBC show "10 Things You Need to Know about Losing Weight" which you can find online.

I remember a documentary using 2 test groups who were painting the Forth Rail Bridge in Edinburgh years ago. Same ingredients, just that one test group had it blended. In this experiment they certainly didn't stay fuller for 3 times longer, but it was a longer period all the same. I only saw it once, and that was years ago, but it often played on my mind since, and came to mind when I started reading this thread.

Seachmall

Funk It wrote: »

I remember a documentary using 2 test groups who were painting the Forth Rail Bridge in Edinburgh years ago. Same ingredients, just that one test group had it blended. In this experiment they certainly didn't stay fuller for 3 times longer, but it was a longer period all the same. I only saw it once, and that was years ago, but it often played on my mind since, and came to mind when I started reading this thread.

From what I recall the solid group felt hungry after two hours while the blended group last five or six hours before feeling hungry.

I'd guess the size of the meal would impact the difference in satiety of the two groups though which could explain the disparity.

Watching a clip from the BBC show they don't give times so I'm not sure where I heard it (they also did it with British Soldiers). As such take it with a grain of salt, although the overall concept, as you say, still applies.

Funk It

I really don't remember all of the detail myself being honest, but agree that its the same concept

smokey20

My own trial, which is now in its 5 weeks, would go some way to contradict this extra feeling of satiety as described by the British soldiers.

I found when I initially blended it to a paste like substance that I would be hungry within 1hr 45 to 2 hrs, where as now I'm not blending it as much, it is more like a shred than a blend, I'm now not near as hungry as quickly.

Not a scientific study by me by any means but my own experiences are contradictory to the British soldiers. In fact must of my views would be contradictory to a British soldier.

micko4

Well how did you get on did you keep it up for a while? Get in better shape?

discus

Seachmall wrote: »

The British Army did this exact thing as an experiment. They blended chicken, rice, veg and a cup of water and served it to some soldiers. It was to the test satiety of foods in different forms. If I remember correctly it resulted in the soldiers feeling fuller for up to three times longer than if they'd taken it in the more traditional form.

It was discussed in the BBC show "10 Things You Need to Know about Losing Weight" which you can find online.

I'm not sure if we can rely on that test... Most food that the british army serves comes as some sort of mush or paste masquerading as food. Except for the meatballs of course, which miraculously disappeared during the horsemeat saga...

smokey20

I could lie and say I'm still doing it and I'm now built like a brick ****house, but alas that as I said would be a lie.

For one reason and another, I fell off the band wagon about 7 weeks ago, diet went out the window and training followed it... But I'm now glad to say that I'm back training the last week and I'm gonna get back on the "processed chicken" as I did feel it was doing me good, due to the ease of been able to consume bucket loads of it.

Ask me again in 2 months.