Jimmy Saville report released.

Madam_X

Busted Flat. wrote: »

This thread has gone from a pedophile being protected by the upper echelons of UK society, to excusing his activities.
Good one.

Who is?

clairefontaine

Doc Ruby wrote: »

I sure know the difference between 1% and 10%.

Here you go

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/39783/

So much for 100%.

Ah look I'm not going to get into a nit picking politically correct argument with you. There's no denying there are pervy female teachers around, but the statistical consensus is that the vast majority are men.

You asked for statistics, I went to the trouble of giving them to you. If you don't want to believe the FBI and experienced professionals well that is up to you.

Busted Flat.

Madam_X wrote: »

Who is?

Read back on the posts.

Doc Ruby

clairefontaine wrote: »

Ah look I'm not going to get into a nit picking politically correct argument with you. There's no denying there are pervy female teachers around, but the statistical consensus is that the vast majority are men.

You asked for statistics, I went to the trouble of giving them to you. If you don't want to believe the FBI and experienced professionals well that is up to you.

Female child molesters. I don't believe statistics that patently contradict themselves, no.

Madam_X

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Read back on the posts.

I have done. I've seen one person saying they don't believe he did any of it (I doubt they really think that tbh) but nobody excusing what he did.

clairefontaine

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Female child molesters. I don't believe statistics that patently contradict themselves, no.

I don't see how they contradict themselves.

How did you come up with that? How were you able to split up the demographics of males/adult males/adolescent males vs the stats on female sex offenders vs the area of the US? And do it so quickly?

Sorry but I am not a statician and if you can show that, by all means do...in the meantime I'll believe the FBI.

Doc Ruby

clairefontaine wrote: »

I don't see how they contradict themselves.

Its right there a few posts above. One example - a molester per square mile is 3.7 million molesters. Yet there are only 400,000 on the sex offenders register. Further, if one in ten men was a child molester, the actual figure would be more like fifteen million, some forty times greater than the number on the sex offenders register. All from your own links. So yes, bullshit.

Anyway this is offtopic, enough.

Busted Flat.

Madam_X wrote: »

I have done. I've seen one person saying they don't believe he did any of it (I doubt they really think that tbh) but nobody excusing what he did.

This thread is about a well to do pedophile, being protected by people that had power and influences, to get away for so long. He was able to bring his caravan into orphanages, schools and anywhere he pleased, with impunity. Get back on track, and deal with what the thread is about, not some US opinion poll on child abuse.

Madam_X

Busted Flat. wrote: »

This thread is about a well to do pedophile, being protected by people that had power and influences, to get away for so long. He was able to bring his caravan into orphanages, schools and anywhere he pleased, with impunity. Get back on track, and deal with what the thread is about, not some US opinion poll on child abuse.

Me? I just said "1 in 10 men have molested" is a difficult to believe stat. I don't know that it's out of line or trivialising what he did, to discuss relevant stats. But regarding what you said: nobody is excusing what he did.

padd b1975

Candie wrote: »

Many of them did, they didn't lack courage.

They either weren't listened to, were discouraged from seeking justice, or weren't believed.

They are not being discouraged from seeking money I see...


http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0112/savile-victims-compensation.html


Their lawyer says they are not doing it for money. lol!!

Lets hope they donate any cash awarded to charities dealing with the victims of child abuse.


This poster won't be holding his breath.

TwoShedsJackson

Busted Flat. wrote: »

Was there not a problem about kids bones found there.

Mostly animal bones apparently, they found three kids bones that had been there for three hundred years or more.

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I am in utter shock that such a vile excuse for a person actually existed. That man will burn for all eternity for what he did. I read yesterday that he sexually abused a dying teenager in a hospice. I actually feel sick over this whole thing and don't think I'm going to even read any more newspaper articles etc on him as it's just too disturbing.

lazygal

padd b1975 wrote: »

They are not being discouraged from seeking money I see...


http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0112/savile-victims-compensation.html


Their lawyer says they are not doing it for money. lol!!

Lets hope they donate any cash awarded to charities dealing with the victims of child abuse.


This poster won't be holding his breath.

I wouldn't begrudge them a penny, no matter what they spend it on.

gbee

Mr E wrote: »

There is a very special place in Hell for people like that.

You'd think but the reality is that people like him invented Hell to scare the rest of us off. He'll have an exalted position as a particularly dexterous exponent of the black arts.

padd b1975

padd b1975 wrote: »

They are not being discouraged from seeking money I see...


http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0112/savile-victims-compensation.html


Their lawyer says they are not doing it for money. lol!!

Lets hope they donate any cash awarded to charities dealing with the victims of child abuse.


This poster won't be holding his breath.

If they get any compensation after perhaps decades of suffering and ugly memories, they deserve every last penny of it. I can't understand what the problem is with that. What they spend it on is nobody elses business.

If you were awarded comp after a crash that left you with whiplash for decades, nobody would suggest you donate it to a whiplash charity.

I'd be disgusted if I thought people were implying that victims were just chasing cash.

padd b1975

lazygal wrote: »

I wouldn't begrudge them a penny, no matter what they spend it on.

Candie wrote: »

If they get any compensation after perhaps decades of suffering and ugly memories, they deserve every last penny of it. I can't understand what the problem is with that. What they spend it on is nobody elses business.

If you were awarded comp after a crash that left you with whiplash for decades, nobody would suggest you donate it to a whiplash charity.

I'd be disgusted if I thought people were implying that victims were just chasing cash.

Cash will never equal justice.

Sir Jimmy was barely cold in the grave when all these people came out of the woodwork, a lot of them selling their stories to newspapers.

My point is why have they not spoken out long before this??

Don't give me that guff about Sir Jimmy having high up friends in the entertainment industry.
The guy has not been relevent for more than 20 years.

padd b1975

padd b1975 wrote: »

Cash will never equal justice.

Sir Jimmy was barely cold in the grave when all these people came out of the woodwork, a lot of them selling their stories to newspapers.

My point is why have they not spoken out long before this??

Don't give me that guff about Sir Jimmy having high up friends in the entertainment industry.
The guy has not been relevent for more than 20 years.

I'm not giving you anything.

Cash will never equal justice, but compensation is for the victims to decide what to do with, not you or anyone else.

clairefontaine

Candie wrote: »

I'm not giving you anything.

Cash will never equal justice, but compensation is for the victims to decide what to do with, not you or anyone else.

Compensation will also teach the BBC a lesson or two. Nothing like getting hit in the wallet.

Mental Mickey

I pity his family. They must be going through absolute he'll atm?

Sunnyisland

Mental Mickey wrote: »

I pity his family. They must be going through absolute he'll atm?

And is his victims and there families.

Madam_X

padd b1975 wrote: »

Cash will never equal justice.

Sir Jimmy was barely cold in the grave when all these people came out of the woodwork, a lot of them selling their stories to newspapers.

My point is why have they not spoken out long before this??

Don't give me that guff about Sir Jimmy having high up friends in the entertainment industry.
The guy has not been relevent for more than 20 years.

People DID speak out before he died. It's really saddening to read sneers about them getting money, and not the abuse they say they suffered and which is deemed the truth.
As if they're going to just lead lavish lifestyles when it will probably do mundane things like repay loans, cover counselling costs, etc. Many of them were poor (he targeted powerless people), disenfranchised, never managed to get education, decent paid work. A financial boost doesnt solve all problems but it's one less problem to worry about. Maybe they should just say "Nah, I'm an abuse victim who never got justice - a nest egg would be a help to me in my daily life and in the future... but I wont bother, because..." Because what?

You and that Anna one (who hasn't answered yet why she thinks he did "none" of it - probably because she doesn't really) are ye just maybe enjoying going against the grain for the attention? Getting a kick out of callousness towards the victims? It doesn't reflect well on ye as people at all...

getz

Madam_X wrote: »

People DID speak out before he died. It's really saddening to read sneers about them getting money, and not the abuse they say they suffered and which is deemed the truth.
As if they're going to just lead lavish lifestyles when it will probably do mundane things like repay loans, cover counselling costs, etc. Many of them were poor (he targeted powerless people), disenfranchised, never managed to get education, decent paid work. A financial boost doesnt solve all problems but it's one less problem to worry about. Maybe they should just say "Nah, I'm an abuse victim who never got justice - a nest egg would be a help to me in my daily life and in the future... but I wont bother, because..." Because what?

You and that Anna one (who hasn't answered yet why she thinks he did "none" of it - probably because she doesn't really) are ye just maybe enjoying going against the grain for the attention? Getting a kick out of callousness towards the victims? It doesn't reflect well on ye as people at all...

anyone who had the internet over the years had access to what he was upto ,it was a open secret,the BBC,politicians,police,and freemasons,are all involved one way or another covering up his abuses,they are the ones who should be exposed,but i doubt they will.

Annasopra

annascott wrote: »

I know that I am in the minority here, but I still think that this is some sort of a 'witch hunt' and he is being used because he cannot defend himself.
I still don't believe that he did any of this.

Why do you think there is a witch hunt though?

Cantona's Collars

mango salsa wrote: »

Why do you think there is a witch hunt though?

Cos Savile looked like a witch.

padd b1975

Madam_X wrote: »

People DID speak out before he died.

Agreed, but sadly they were very much in the minority. Any person that does go against the grain and finds the bravery to speak out about abuse will always have my support.

Madam_X wrote: »

It's really saddening to read sneers about them getting money, and not the abuse they say they suffered and which is deemed the truth.
As if they're going to just lead lavish lifestyles when it will probably do mundane things like repay loans, cover counselling costs, etc. Many of them were poor (he targeted powerless people), disenfranchised, never managed to get education, decent paid work. A financial boost doesnt solve all problems but it's one less problem to worry about.

In my opinion, whats saddening is the fact that it took the money of a faceless tabloid hack for a lot of people to speak out, even if it was on the back of an ITV documemtary.

Madam_X wrote: »

Maybe they should just say "Nah, I'm an abuse victim who never got justice - a nest egg would be a help to me in my daily life and in the future... but I wont bother, because..." Because what?

Because what??

Madam_X wrote: »

You and that Anna one (who hasn't answered yet why she thinks he did "none" of it - probably because she doesn't really) are ye just maybe enjoying going against the grain for the attention? Getting a kick out of callousness towards the victims? It doesn't reflect well on ye as people at all...

I would have expected better than this from you.

Attack the post, not the poster.

padd b1975

mango salsa wrote: »

Why do you think there is a witch hunt though?

It sells newspapers.
Tabloid editors love to portray themselves as moral crusaders at any opportunity.

Sir Jimmy Saville was one of the biggest names in the history of the BBC.

He was Knighted for his "charity" work.


Callous as it sounds, sex sells.

FloatingVoter

The separate police forces were not sharing information - a common problem in the UK. Celebs are accused of bull**** each and every day was their opinion therefore the complaints were not collated properly.
Cowards who wanted to keep their jobs looked the other way at the BBC.
Watch an episode of The Sweeney to gauge cultural attitudes to bottom pinching in the 1970s - it was endemic.
The molestation of young children took place in hospitals that he should not have had access to - that's where the true scandal lies.
Like all paedophiles he preyed on the powerless.
It took seventy years in this country before the abuses committed by the catholic church were brought into the open even though it was common knowledge - again cowardice on the part of those in power.
Its a litany of failures that allowed the scum to thrive. He wasn't regarded as a creep by the general population, more like a Santa Claus figure who was probably gay and keeping quiet about it.

Annasopra

padd b1975 wrote: »

It sells newspapers.
Tabloid editors love to portray themselves as moral crusaders at any opportunity.

Sir Jimmy Saville was one of the biggest names in the history of the BBC.

He was Knighted for his "charity" work.


Callous as it sounds, sex sells.

So

Basically you're saying it's all lies?

padd b1975

FloatingVoter wrote: »

more like a Santa Claus figure who was probably gay and keeping quiet about it.

To be honest, this is exactly the impression that I got too.:o

padd b1975

mango salsa wrote: »

So

Basically you're saying it's all lies?

No, not at all.

I feel the factors I mentioned have contributed to the media frenzy.