Latest Poll shows majority want abortion legalized.

Death and Taxes

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0110/majority-support-x-case-legislation-poll.html

64% want at least the X-Case legislated for including the threat of suicide, many want abortion on request!

Good to see attitudes changing in this country.

Solair

Don't worry, they'll have to run it past some people with absolutely no mandate whatsoever rather than actually asking the people what they want.

Then they'll present us with some unintelligible legal garble of a referendum that nobody really understands what Yes / No means without a PhD in law.

spank_inferno

I didn't think the "On -demand" number would be so high.

Good.

Kylo Ren

On Demand? Like Sky, is it?

peckerhead

But without the 12-month contract.

mikom

Priests computer says no.

squod

The majority are wrong.

What planet are people on if they think 1,000 deaths per year is OK?

Dodge

squod wrote: »

The majority are wrong.

Thats democracy baby, now STFU

mikom

squod wrote: »

What planet are people on if they think 1,000 deaths per year is OK?

Pandora?

cassi

The "abortion on demand" term has been irritating me lately. It's seems to put a harsh stigma on it. Women aren't just demanding abortions, they are asking to have them for a variety of reasons. Abortion by request is a term that's suits much better.

Zebra3

Abortion is legal.

squod

Dodge wrote: »

Thats democracy baby, now STFU

An opinion poll is now a democratic instrument?

Those people are wrong.

Lad Of Banter

squod wrote: »

The majority are wrong.

:rolleyes:

Dodge

squod wrote: »

An opinion poll is now a democratic instrument?

Those people are wrong.

IF you're going to be pedantic about it, an opinion can't be wrong....

starskey77

WileyCoyote wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0110/majority-support-x-case-legislation-poll.html

64% want at least the X-Case legislated for including the threat of suicide, many want abortion on demand!

Good to see attitudes changing in this country.

the church aint going to like this one if they loose this vote their will be reform

Death and Taxes

cassi wrote: »

The "abortion on demand" term has been irritating me lately. It's seems to put a harsh stigma on it. Women aren't just demanding abortions, they are asking to have them for a variety of reasons. Abortion by request is a term that's suits much better.

Point taken, I have edited my opening post

Death and Taxes

squod wrote: »

An opinion poll is now a democratic instrument?

Those people are wrong.

Why ? Because they don't agree with you and the men in dresses?

hyperborean

WileyCoyote wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/news/2013/0110/majority-support-x-case-legislation-poll.html

64% want at least the X-Case legislated for including the threat of suicide, many want abortion on request!

Good to see attitudes changing in this country.

36% is pretty high against, not suprised in a country that still has 1 in 5 voters supporting FF.

Thomas20

Yes OP good to see people are finally coming around to the glorious killing of unborn children. What a backwards ass country we were for so long.

cassi wrote: »

The "abortion on demand" term has been irritating me lately. It's seems to put a harsh stigma on it. Women aren't just demanding abortions, they are asking to have them for a variety of reasons. Abortion by request is a term that's suits much better.

Well there should be a stigma attached to murder don't you think?

Cosmicfox

We kind of already have 'abortion on demand' by letting the UK take care of our 'problem'.

It's about time we legalised it.

Procrastastudy

Why does everyone who is pro-life have to be religious?

I'm not in the slightest bit religious but happen to believe that life begins at conception and people should have a bit of self control when it comes to shagging. Accidents happen and adoption is there. The argument for abortion seems to be simply that it's more convenient.

VinLieger

squod wrote: »

An opinion poll is now a democratic instrument?

Those people are wrong.

An opinion cant be wrong, you can disagree with it and the facts its based on but the opinion is not wrong

mikom

Procrastastudy wrote: »

I'm not in the slightest bit religious but happen to believe that life begins at conception and people should have a bit of self control when it comes to shagging. Accidents happen and adoption is there.

Accidental rape and incest.

"I fell on my daughter with my cock out, your honour"

Rothmans

I'm surprised that only 26% are in favour of convenience abortions. I'm not complaining, just surprised.

Procrastastudy

mikom wrote: »

Accidental rape and incest.

"I fell on my daughter with my cock out, your honour"

Sorry I should have qualified my statement - where there is a risk to the mother (beyond de minimus), including physiological risk then yes abortion should be an option that shouldn't be limited to rape and incest cases.

Thomas20

mikom wrote: »

Accidental rape and incest.

"I fell on my daughter with my cock out, your honour"

Killing an innocent solves rape?

Chips Lovell

Nobody said abortion "solves rapes".

Procrastastudy

Thomas20 wrote: »

Killing an innocent solves rape?

No but it's illogical to balance the rights of the unborn over that of the mother.

mikom

Thomas20 wrote: »

Killing an innocent solves rape?

Do you like heaping more pain upon an already raped woman by removing her right to choice.
She already had no choice in her rape................ you wish her to have less.

VinLieger

Rape and incest are complicated issues, I think abortion should be allowed in such cases, but i cant understand pro lifers refusal to accept the need for abortion in cases where life outside the womb is untenable or may pose a significant risk to the mother

cassi

WileyCoyote wrote: »

Point taken, I have edited my opening post

I wasn't having a go at your post Wiley. It's the term in general that irks me.

Thomas20

mikom wrote: »

Do you like heaping more pain upon an already raped woman by removing her right to choice.
She already had no choice in her rape................ you wish her to have less.

I don't want an innocent life murdered

uch

Thomas20 wrote: »

Killing an innocent solves rape?

Savita Halappanavar was innocent

Procrastastudy

VinLieger wrote: »

Rape and incest are complicated issues but i cant understand pro lifers refusal to accept the need for abortion in cases where life outside the womb is untenable or may pose a significant risk to the mother

There are a spectrum of opinions - not just a pro life and pro choice camp.

If you do allow abortion do we allow late term? How long do we allow? 12 weeks? 30 weeks?

cassi

Thomas20 wrote: »

Yes OP good to see people are finally coming around to the glorious killing of unborn children. What a backwards ass country we were for so long.

Well there should be a stigma attached to murder don't you think?

How about coming on here and offering something in the way of an intelligent debate rather than spouting on about murder and throwing out one liners.

VinLieger

Thomas20 wrote: »

I don't want an innocent life murdered

But your fine with an innocent woman having to relive trauma of what happened to her daily for 9 months and have what she may rightly feel as a violation growing inside her whatever about for the rest of her life

mikom

Thomas20 wrote: »

I don't want an innocent life murdered

You'll never have to carry a rapists child, so it's easy to say that Thomas.

Thomas20

cassi wrote: »

spouting on about murder and throwing out one liners.

What else is there to talk about? You are either against or for the murder of innocent children.

VinLieger

Procrastastudy wrote: »

There are a spectrum of opinions - not just a pro life and pro choice camp.

If you do allow abortion do we allow late term? How long do we allow? 12 weeks? 30 weeks?

I agree there does need to be a cutoff point but that should be decided by medical practioners and lawyers who have all the facts and information available to them, have massive amounts of experience and are able to put their bias and beliefs aside to decide what is best for all involved instead of just one unborn foetus.

Thomas20

Thomas20 wrote: »

What else is there to talk about? You are either against or for the murder of innocent children.

Herp derp

VinLieger

Thomas20 wrote: »

What else is there to talk about? You are either against or for the murder of innocent children.

Wow you nearly tripped us all up with your inflammatory logic there well done :P

Procrastastudy

VinLieger wrote: »

I agree there does need to be a cutoff point but that should be decided by medical practioners and lawyers who have all the facts and information available to them, have massive amounts of experience and are able to put their bias and beliefs aside to decide what is best for all involved instead of just one unborn foetus.

I actually don't agree. While those people should definitely advise and educate it should be down to the people to decide. My problem with this debate is it's like the atheism and religion debate both sides are as dogmatic as each other not willing to accept there is middle and logical ground. It's a polarised debate that has way top much emotion tied up in it. That should be the first hurdle overcome.

As to the solution I've no idea.

spank_inferno

Thomas20 wrote: »

What else is there to talk about? You are either against or for the murder of innocent children.

Innocent!.... have you seen what they do to women!

ejmaztec

Procrastastudy wrote: »

Why does everyone who is pro-life have to be religious?

I'm not in the slightest bit religious but happen to believe that life begins at conception and people should have a bit of self control when it comes to shagging. Accidents happen and adoption is there. The argument for abortion seems to be simply that it's more convenient.

Because most people here think that only religious people are against abortion, and the more religious people they can stick it to, the happier they seem to be.

The Cool

Procrastastudy wrote: »

I'm not in the slightest bit religious but happen to believe that life begins at conception and people should have a bit of self control when it comes to shagging. Accidents happen and adoption is there. The argument for abortion seems to be simply that it's more convenient.

That you think clumsiness and valuing convenience over an unborn child are what cause abortion so generally, is pretty damn insulting.

It's the "should have just kept your legs closed" argument that really riles me. What about women pregnant to an abusive partner? Those who did use contraception? Or being told that your child will likely live only a couple hours after birth and will most likely spend them in pain?

I can tell you for sure that I will never, ever forgo contraception with the attitude of "oh it's ok, if you knock me up I'll just abort it." But I CANNOT say for sure that I will never be put in a situation where abortion is something I have to consider.

Thomas20

mikom wrote: »

You'll never have to carry a rapists child, so it's easy to say that Thomas.

Yes it is all about everyones feelings and not about protecting innocent life.
It must be hard to face up to the most important fact in this discussion, but keep burying your head in the sand.

krudler

Thomas20 wrote: »

I don't want an innocent life murdered

You adopt unwanted babies so. Why are men so hellbent on telling women what should happen their own bodies?

Thomas20

krudler wrote: »

You adopt unwanted babies so. Why are men so hellbent on telling women what should happen their own bodies?

Because they kill innocent children...Why are women so hellbent on killing their unborn children?

eviltwin

Thomas20 wrote: »

Because they kill innocent children...Why are women so hellbent on killing their unborn children?

Because sometimes it is the right thing to do.

Dodge

krudler wrote: »

You adopt unwanted babies so. Why are men so hellbent on telling women what should happen their own bodies?

Well Youth Defence was set up by women, and run mostly by women.

You'll find most pro-choice campaigns heavily rely on men too

So you can cut the men/women aspect from it.

Procrastastudy

The Cool wrote: »

That you think clumsiness and valuing convenience over an unborn child are what cause abortion so generally, is pretty damn insulting.

It's the "should have just kept your legs closed" argument that really riles me. What about women pregnant to an abusive partner?

I dealt with that further up. Where the conception proves risky to the mother, be that through rape or not, then the pregnancy should be terminated.

The Cool wrote: »

Those who did use contraception?

Already dealt with - give the child up for adoption.

The Cool wrote: »

Or being told that your child will likely live only a couple hours after birth and will most likely spend them in pain?

Actually a good point and worthy of more discussion and tie in with cases like Fleming that are currently going on.

The Cool wrote: »

I can tell you for sure that I will never, ever forgo contraception with the attitude of "oh it's ok, if you knock me up I'll just abort it." But I CANNOT say for sure that I will never be put in a situation where abortion is something I have to consider.

I don't believe such as decision should be up to the mother as I've indicated. One of the reasons is that some people do carry the attitude you have espoused. My main reason is a balancing of rights - the inconvenience of having to carry the child to term simply does not out weigh the right of life to the child in my opinion unless the circumstances present a risk to the mother.