Ferroli SYS 10-23 problem

Steve, if I have a bad day at work I could hurt someone or god forbid kill someone, it's that conection that isn't being made by you and others who wish to do what I'm qualified to do safely, for the sake of you and your customer let a competent RGI do the work, they are out there, if only the chancers would stop messing it would be easier for the customers to find the right RGI.

A group of young ladies working in a commercial kitchen very nearly lost their lives due to carbon monoxide recently because nobody noticed there was no interlock between the mechanical ventilation and the gas line, so when someone like you works on gas I worry as you don't know what you don't know and ignorance kills, so please stop messing.

Irish Steve

I love the way that you holier than thou people make assumptions and throw around threats.

Did I say that I made the reconnections or refitted the faulty parts on the Wok? Did I say anything about ME finishing the job?

No, I did not, because it was not me that did that part of the work.

I stripped it, because once it was disconnected from the flexible gas hose quick disconnect hose point, which required NO TOOLS, it was safe. I reported what I had found to the owner and let them decide how to get it sorted, as a significant number of parts were required, and the owner, a Chinese, got another Chinese, NOT RGI, but supposedly a specialist in that equipment, in to sort out the problems. I saw what was done as the work was done, and during a closer inspection when I remade the water connections to the water deck, and I have reported what I saw.

I am SICK TO THE BACK TEETH of holier than thou professionals that make snap judgements on the basis of incomplete information. I think I made my position clear. The previous RGI should have shut off the supply, made it impossible for the owner to restore it, and reported it to Bord Gais. Is that strong enough for you? Short of cutting a chunk out of the incoming supply just after the meter, I could not do that.

Yes, there are messers here. I am not one of them, I do NOT do jobs that I am not happy with, or that would present a risk to me or to others that come behind me. That means I walk away from quite a few, becuase I am either not allowed to do them, or because even though I am, I am not happy to do them.

If I didn't know what I was doing, the work I did before all this stupidity of restrictive practises started would not have been passed by the inspectors that came out to check it before putting it live.

That said, when I read some of the questions that appear in some of these areas, I wonder if the real problem is that the education system is so badly screwed up now. Which is more important, knowing who said what at some stage 200 years ago in an obscure meeting somewhere, or having "life" classes that teach people enough about plumbing, electrics, gas, water and phone services so that they know how to do essential or emergency tasks in the home, and more importantly, when to NOT do something because it's dangerous. We see the result of the present system, a Nanny state scenario where only the select few are allowed to do anything, and the rest of the world is told to do and say nothing, but that is NOT the right way.

I have a number of people that call me before they will call a RGI, or RECI, or ECSSA member, because they trust me to tell them the truth, and give them an accurate assesment of the issue before anything is done. If they didn't trust me, or felt that the advice I give was suspect, they would not call.

So many keyboard warriors, so little time

Dtp79

Steve you're some man to write a post, ill give you that !!!

Steve, I think your trolling.

Forgive my snap judgement and if your not trolling then stay away from gas your not qualified and you or your ego could hurt someone.

shane0007

Irish Steve wrote: »

I love the way that you holier than thou people make assumptions and throw around threats.

Did I say that I made the reconnections or refitted the faulty parts on the Wok? Did I say anything about ME finishing the job?

No, I did not, because it was not me that did that part of the work.

I stripped it, because once it was disconnected from the flexible gas hose quick disconnect hose point, which required NO TOOLS, it was safe. I reported what I had found to the owner and let them decide how to get it sorted, as a significant number of parts were required, and the owner, a Chinese, got another Chinese, NOT RGI, but supposedly a specialist in that equipment, in to sort out the problems. I saw what was done as the work was done, and during a closer inspection when I remade the water connections to the water deck, and I have reported what I saw.

I am SICK TO THE BACK TEETH of holier than thou professionals that make snap judgements on the basis of incomplete information. I think I made my position clear. The previous RGI should have shut off the supply, made it impossible for the owner to restore it, and reported it to Bord Gais. Is that strong enough for you? Short of cutting a chunk out of the incoming supply just after the meter, I could not do that.

Yes, there are messers here. I am not one of them, I do NOT do jobs that I am not happy with, or that would present a risk to me or to others that come behind me. That means I walk away from quite a few, becuase I am either not allowed to do them, or because even though I am, I am not happy to do them.

If I didn't know what I was doing, the work I did before all this stupidity of restrictive practises started would not have been passed by the inspectors that came out to check it before putting it live.

That said, when I read some of the questions that appear in some of these areas, I wonder if the real problem is that the education system is so badly screwed up now. Which is more important, knowing who said what at some stage 200 years ago in an obscure meeting somewhere, or having "life" classes that teach people enough about plumbing, electrics, gas, water and phone services so that they know how to do essential or emergency tasks in the home, and more importantly, when to NOT do something because it's dangerous. We see the result of the present system, a Nanny state scenario where only the select few are allowed to do anything, and the rest of the world is told to do and say nothing, but that is NOT the right way.

I have a number of people that call me before they will call a RGI, or RECI, or ECSSA member, because they trust me to tell them the truth, and give them an accurate assesment of the issue before anything is done. If they didn't trust me, or felt that the advice I give was suspect, they would not call.

So many keyboard warriors, so little time

You described how you stripped down a gas appliance & put it back together. You described how you worked on a gas appliance.
Explain it to the authorities, not us! You have been reported. Hopefully you will not be in a position to cause harm to people again.

As for keyboard warriors, I think you will win that competition hands down.

shane0007

For the record, I have responded with Steve and I am happy he did not do illegal gas works. He is concerned about how chancers get away with works that they should not get away with. He sees that he as an uncertified person could identify issues, why can a certified person not. He is correct.

I would like to retract my statements about him and offer my hand to him.

sullzz

shane0007 wrote: »

For the record, I have responded with Steve and I am happy he did not do illegal gas works. He is concerned about how chancers get away with works that they should not get away with. He sees that he as an uncertified person could identify issues, why can a certified person not. He is correct.

I would like to retract my statements about him and offer my hand to him.

Did you accidently double your dose of Valium ??

DGOBS

Gary as we discussed via phone, you can see why a lot of UK forums have put a stop to all advise being given out online for gas boilers. Accidents waiting to happen. Not DIY work.

PS. As for the 'holier than thou' , I shall have you know Shanes name shall be whispered in lowered tones whence conclave begins over the coming days, and one day I am sure we'll be having a festival 'St Shanes Day'

To Shane. I se the anger management course is starting to pay off then!

He's just very misunderstood, under that harsh argumentative exterior is a man just craving a cuddle.

Dtp79

I'd like to be the first to say to everyone.. Happy st Shane's day!

slavetothegrind

if only your previous posts hadn't cast you in such poor aesthetic light Gary you might just be the man for the cuddlin'

But Shane, he picky!


.....i'm referring to mention of y fronts some time ago.....shudder........:(

slavetothegrind

DGOBS wrote: »

Gary as we discussed via phone, you can see why a lot of UK forums have put a stop to all advise being given out online for gas boilers. Accidents waiting to happen. Not DIY work.

PS. As for the 'holier than thou' , I shall have you know Shanes name shall be whispered in lowered tones whence conclave begins over the coming days, and one day I am sure we'll be having a festival 'St Shanes Day'

To Shane. I se the anger management course is starting to pay off then!

so if white smoke emits from shane is he done or elected?

channelsurfer2

Good debate.as a layperson I add this that its hard to find a good knowlegable plumber for my boiler anyway. All have been rgii certified all have done different things and some have contradicted what others did previously . That's four different plumbers over 3 years. In fairness the latest one seems to be good gave the options and left it to.me to decide. Which I can't decide on.....

Robbie.G

gary71 wrote: »

He's just very misunderstood, under that harsh argumentative exterior is a man just craving a cuddle.

It sounds as if your offering there Gary

Robbie.G

Robbie.G wrote: »

It sounds as if your offering there Gary

Nope, I'm far to grumpy to be doing any cuddling, Johnnyk might be a better call sinces he's been sitting on his power flusher I hear he's been cuddling anything in arms lenth;)

slavetothegrind

slavetothegrind wrote: »

if only your previous posts hadn't cast you in such poor aesthetic light Gary you might just be the man for the cuddlin'

But Shane, he picky!


.....i'm referring to mention of y fronts some time ago.....shudder........:(

If you buy them in the right colours Y fronts can be a mood changer;) that and a couple of bottles of wine.

Robbie.G

gary71 wrote: »

Nope, I'm far to grumpy to be doing any cuddling, Johnnyk might be a better call sinces he's been sitting on his power flusher I hear he's been cuddling anything in arms lenth;)

Johnnies to friendly with that power flusher it mightn't be safe for him to hug you

Robbie.G

Robbie.G wrote: »

Johnnies to friendly with that power flusher it mightn't be safe for him to hug you

Robbie, I don't want a bloody hug, it's Shane who's showing his softer caring side, he's the one who's full of love for his fellow man.

channelsurfer2

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

Good debate.as a layperson I add this that its hard to find a good knowlegable plumber for my boiler anyway. All have been rgii certified all have done different things and some have contradicted what others did previously . That's four different plumbers over 3 years. In fairness the latest one seems to be good gave the options and left it to.me to decide. Which I can't decide on.....

It's very hard to find a tradesman at times, being a RGI is meaningless and is no indication of ability to do the job, you call in a gas engineer you don't know if your getting horse or beef unfortunately, there are lots of good tradesmen out there, it just takes a bit of digging.

Irish Steve

Just caught up with the explosion in activity here, and want to record my thanks to Shane for his message, and to confirm that we have indeed been exchanging messages, and there is white smoke here, and hopefully elsewhere.

Several of the comments are very appropriate, and right, and appreciated.

What I am going to suggest is that some of the people at the top of the trade should start pressuring the Dept of Education to introduce into the later stages of second level a text book and short course on Gas, (Natural & LPG), Electrics, Oil, water, phones, broadband and maybe Cable TV, an idiots guide on "what you will find in your house", and a guide on how it works, and what the home owner can do with safety,

Ideally, it would also be liberally scattered with lurid photographs of what happens when people do wrong things, as a clear warning of the dangers of going too far

I have been appalled by some of the questions I've seen, especially over in Electrics, and I'm also not happy that too many homeowners are so unaware of the equipment they have installed, they are wide open to being ripped off or worse, or left with dangerous equipment when a Celtic Tiger apprentice does a job for them.

That is NOT a dig at anyone here, the guys here are doing a good job of trying to help people, but it is a serious dig at the lacklustre regulators that seem to be unwilling or unable to weed out the rotten apples from the trades

That's damaging the real professionals, ( Like Shane and Gary71) and putting customers at risk, and both of those results are bad, very bad for all concerned.

I am very unhappy that CER seem to think changing a socket should only be done by a registered electrician, that's Nanny state levels, so this is a discussion that needs to happen in order to ensure that reason prevails.

Cheers Guys, I will sleep more comfortably tonight for clearing up this confusion.

Steve

.jacksparrow.

Thread was much more fun when you and Shane mere bickering;)

channelsurfer2

ok update. boiler has packed it in altogether and wont fire up. comes on and the pump circulates but wont fire up. temp reads 14c on the display. I have read that constantly filling up a a boiler(as in every 2 months or so) with softened water can play havoc with an aluminum heat exchanger and cause it to fail. any thoughts on this or is it a myth as thats what I have had to do dispite the plumber telling me he cant find a leak in the system anywhere.

sullzz

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

ok update. boiler has packed it in altogether and wont fire up. comes on and the pump circulates but wont fire up. temp reads 14c on the display. I have read that constantly filling up a a boiler(as in every 2 months or so) with softened water can play havoc with an aluminum heat exchanger and cause it to fail. any thoughts on this or is it a myth as thats what I have had to do dispite the plumber telling me he cant find a leak in the system anywhere.

Constantly topping up a boiler does destroy it , but probably has nothing to do with whats wrong with your boiler at the moment , more info needed , does it go to lockout , can you hear it sparking etc .

channelsurfer2

sullzz wrote: »

Constantly topping up a boiler does destroy it , but probably has nothing to do with whats wrong with your boiler at the moment , more info needed , does it go to lockout , can you hear it sparking etc .

No sparking it trys something but dosent spark. Then pump seems to come on and stays at low temp of 14c. Heat exchanger is 422 ex vat plus labour.

shane0007

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

No sparking it trys something but dosent spark. Then pump seems to come on and stays at low temp of 14c. Heat exchanger is 422 ex vat plus labour.

Lock out? Fault code?

channelsurfer2

shane0007 wrote: »

Lock out? Fault code?

No fault code as its not firing up but when it did it gave error code d2

shane0007

Sounds more like a pcb issue.

channelsurfer2

shane0007 wrote: »

Sounds more like a pcb issue.

That's why I don't want to spend 500euro on a heat excjhanger and find out it wasn't the problem. Plumber was sure d2 code was a kaput heat exchanger but to be honest the boiler is rubbish it coukd be a combination of things. Thanks for info shane.

channelsurfer2

thermistor was replaced but now it seems ferroli say that the code is due to fan fault not igniting and that a new fan will solve the problem. however they say that d2 is a normal code that the boiler shuts off when the temp max is met which i cant understand.