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Attitudes towards sexual perversions

  • 08-01-2013 2:57am
    #1
    orestes
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    Homosexuality was decriminilised 20 years ago this year, and people seem to be coming around to the idea that members of the LGBT community aren't freaks of nature, but what about other perverts and sexual deviants?

    Foot fetishists, sadomasochists, people who want to be splattered with custard, you name it and there is someone out there who gets off on it. Look at this thread here on After Hours where people say they get all giggitty-minded by the back of a guys wrist or a girls neck or whatever. What's the difference?

    The diversity of human sexuality is an amazing thing, and provided that everyone involved is acting on their own consent what's the difference between a person who likes to nibble on someones neck and someone who wants to put on a nappy and be treated like a baby? Yes, one is rarer than the other, but does that mean it should be ridiculed or abhored?


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  • #2
    darced
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  • #3
    IM0
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    As long as its consensual for everyone involved then knock yourself out


  • #4
    Senna
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    You're comparing sexual orientation with fetishes, the two things are completely different.
    There wont ever be a day when a grown man dressing like a baby is considered normal sexual practice, but doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it.


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    IM0
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    darced wrote: »
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    think you mean milfy


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    Jesus Wept
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    Welcome back dude.


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    B.A._Baracus
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    orestes wrote: »
    Yes, one is rarer than the other, but does that mean it should be ridiculed or abhored?


    I don't really want to live in a world where its perfectly normal to say "I love it when my girlfriend shits on my face" - that if anyone was to be disgusted by that it would be socially wrong of them to feel that way.

    If someone is into some kinky shit. So be it. What people do in their bedrooms is none of my business. But I dont bloody want to hear about it and yes I have a right to be disgusted by something.


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    darced
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    darced
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  • #10
    IM0
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    and there is nothing perverse about nibbling on someones neck or looking at wrists, but there is about skat and pissing games. sure its normal to some people or at least enjoyed at some level, but you cant say those things are in the same category.


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    darced
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    B.A._Baracus
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    darced wrote: »
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    ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh and the twisting of words begins :rolleyes:


  • #13
    orestes
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    Senna wrote: »
    Your comparing sexual orientation with fetishes, the two things are completely different.

    I'm fully aware that they are different, I started the thread to ask why people consider one to be worse or better than the other.
    Senna wrote: »
    There wont ever be a day when a grown man dressing like a baby is considered normal sexual practice, but doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it.

    Of course it won't be normal, but should people who do be laughed at or considered freaks or just left up to their own fun?


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    darced
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  • #15
    orestes
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    IM0 wrote: »
    and there is nothing perverse about nibbling on someones neck or looking at wrists, but there is about skat and pissing games. sure its normal to some people or at least enjoyed at some level, but you cant say those things are in the same category.

    Why not? Give me one rational and logical reason that doesn't boil down to "I like one and not the other".


  • #16
    kneemos
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    darced wrote: »
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    No law against being digusted,A lot of people would find anal sex disgusting and I'm sure homosexuals would find straight sex pretty disgusting,urinating on someone is disgusting in my book but sex with a Volkswagen is just incredibly amusing.


  • #17
    orestes
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    darced wrote: »
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    No, you do not have a right not to be disgusted.


  • #18
    Peregrinus
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    darced wrote: »
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    I'm not sure that the question of whether we have a "right" to our emotional reactions to anything at all has any meaning. Is a "right" to feel disgust any different from a "right" to feel elation, or hope, or hunger, or pain?

    The question is not whether you have a right to feel disgust; it's whether you have a right to require others to deal with/address your disgust.

    Your disgust, surely, is your problem. If you feel disgust at my sexual orientation (or appearance, or accent, or anything else) then you have to deal with that yourself; you can't expect me to change or conceal my orientation, appearance, accent etc so that you can avoid feelings of disgust or distaste. Assuming you're an adult, it's not my duty to massage your feelings.


  • #19
    darced
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    asherbassad
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    B.A._Baracus wrote: »
    I don't really want to live in a world where its perfectly normal to say "I love it when my girlfriend shits on my face" - that if anyone was to be disgusted by that it would be socially wrong of them to feel that way.

    If someone is into some kinky shit. So be it. What people do in their bedrooms is none of my business. But I dont bloody want to hear about it and yes I have a right to be disgusted by something.


    Not normal.
    Mathematically anything "abnormal" is that which falls outside the mean.
    Being left-handed, blonde, blue-eyed, etc is "abnormal"

    You will probably never "have" to live in a world where you say that you love when your girlfriend sh!ts on you face.
    I hope I never live in a world where it's perfectly normal to say "my girlfriend's tits aren't big enough for me. I'm going to recommend she has chemicals stuffed into them to make them bulbous".


  • #21
    darced
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  • #22
    orestes
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    darced wrote: »
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    :)


  • #23
    Peregrinus
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    orestes wrote: »
    Why not? Give me one rational and logical reason that doesn't boil down to "I like one and not the other".
    We develop taboos against **** and piss for a reason; close contact with them is dangerous to health - our own, and that of others. And sexual paraphilias involving **** and piss probably derive at least some of their force precisely from their transgressive nature - they're "naughty" because they involving breaching conventions and taboos which are not arbitrary but which exist for good reason.

    This is plainly not true of a sexual interest in people's necks or wrists. Whatever the basis of this paraphilia, it's not transgression.

    Which means that it's natural for most of us to feel distaste for scatological paraphilias; that very feature is part of what make the attractive to the paraphiliac.


  • #24
    Peregrinus
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    darced wrote: »
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    Depends on the context. If you're saying this as a confession/examination of your own inadequacies/challenges/sexual attitudes/whatever, and you are not emotionally imposing on someone by doing so, that's fine. On the other hand, if you're saying this in an attempt to control their behaviour, or in support of restrictions on their behaviour, not so fine.

    Common sense applies: in general you should be slow to tell people that they disgust you. You'd need a very specific context in which this would be an appropriate thing to say and, even then, you'd need to communicate exactly what you were saying, and explain your need to say it, very carefully.


  • #25
    fasttalkerchat
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    Senna wrote: »
    There wont ever be a day when a grown man dressing like a baby is considered normal sexual practice, but doesn't mean there's anything wrong with it.

    I would say that in a decade or too you will be chastised for making fun of anyone's sexual preference.


  • #26
    IM0
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    orestes wrote: »
    Why not? Give me one rational and logical reason that doesn't boil down to "I like one and not the other".

    because the reason they are enjoying the two examples I gave are the domination elements, they want to be dominated [some really get off on that, usually people in jobs who are in jobs where they give all the orders and others have to follow] so this is a psychological domination that they get to submit to whether they like it or not once they decide they are going to submit all bets are off, others can do disgusting things with/to them once an idea of the boundaries have been set at some level before hand in some way

    whereas nibbling on a neck is just nibbling on a neck and is know to be an erogenous zone unlike rubbing **** all over yourself and thats they key very few of those people will rub **** allover themselves, its the domination element that does it for them


  • #27
    fasttalkerchat
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    orestes wrote: »
    No, you do not have a right not to be disgusted.

    Yea you do. I'm just as disgusted by 2 men as by a really ugly couple going at it.
    Nothing wrong with saying that. And I'm sure most gay men agree vice versa... unless they're really kinky.


  • #28
    kneemos
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    darced wrote: »
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    Don't see what your problem is,if it disgusts you it disgusts you,a lot of people do find homosexuality disgusting I reackon.


  • #29
    darced
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  • #30
    Peregrinus
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    darced wrote: »
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    Look, just as we sometimes struggle to explain our owns sexual tastes or to understand someone else's, so we can struggle to understand sexual distastes.

    You can embark on a long and expensive course of counselling to try and understand the basis for your feelings of disgust about homosexuality. But, if they aren't causing you a great problem, you may not need to. Are they getting in the way of healthy relationships with your own romantic partners and with family and friends? Are they leading you into inappropriate or destructive behaviour? Are they causing you profound unhappiness in some other way? No? Then I think its perfectly fine to note them, accept that you ought not to impose them on others, put them to one side and move on.


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  • #31
    Bipolar Joe
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    AH is starting to depress me.

    EDIT: More.


  • #32
    kneemos
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    Bipolar Joe wrote: »
    AH is starting to depress me.

    EDIT: More.

    That's because your Bipolar Joe.


  • #33
    smash
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    So op, what's your weird kink then?


  • #34
    Czarcasm
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    To each their own and all that, but what I find worse are the kind of people that judge others as "prudes" simply because whatever that persons particular kink is, just doesn't do it for the person they deem to be "prude".

    Having tried bdsm and light bondage, etc, I felt like a bit of a twat more than anything.

    I'll never forget one time though, one of my female friends was into anal fisting, and she was introducing me to her new boyfriend who held out his hand to shake mine... "You're alright thanks!", I thought to myself.


  • #35
    Death and Taxes
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    orestes wrote: »
    Homosexuality was decriminilised 20 years ago this year, and people seem to be coming around to the idea that members of the LGBT community aren't freaks of nature, but what about other perverts and sexual deviants?

    Foot fetishists, sadomasochists, people who want to be splattered with custard, you name it and there is someone out there who gets off on it. Look at this thread here on After Hours where people say they get all giggitty-minded by the back of a guys wrist or a girls neck or whatever. What's the difference?

    The diversity of human sexuality is an amazing thing, and provided that everyone involved is acting on their own consent what's the difference between a person who likes to nibble on someones neck and someone who wants to put on a nappy and be treated like a baby? Yes, one is rarer than the other, but does that mean it should be ridiculed or abhored?

    Are you for real? What do you mean "other", are you saying homosexuals are perverts?:mad:


  • #36
    sbsquarepants
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    IM0 wrote: »
    As long as its consensual for everyone involved then knock yourself out

    There is only one perversion as far as i'm concerned and that is to carry on regardless in the abscence of consent. If it's consentual i couldn't care less what anybody gets up to. It's simply none of my business (although i will occasionaly watch it on the internet anyway, cos i'm a nosy little fúcker!:D)
    darced wrote: »
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    Of course we do, we have the "right" to be disgusted by anything that disgusts us. There are all manner of sexual practices that disgust me - i don't practice any of them, problem solved.
    orestes wrote: »
    No, you do not have a right not to be disgusted.

    I very much disagree. I reserve the right to be disgusted by absolutely anything, sexual or otherwise. What i don't have the right to do is to try force others to live by my likes and dislikes. If something disgusts you, you have the right to not do it - that's where it ends.
    Cheese disgusts me, it actually turns my stomach - so i don't eat, or handle cheese. I couldn't care less who else eats it, so long as i don't have to - i don't try discourage others. If they want to have a big old cheese eating orgy, best of luck to them - i just won't be attending! (or watching the video in this case:eek:)


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  • #37
    Scanlas The 2nd
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    kneemos wrote: »

    Don't see what your problem is,if it disgusts you it disgusts you,a lot of people do find homosexuality disgusting I reackon.

    I for one find homosexuality between men disgusting. Nothing wrong with it of course, it simply turns my stomach the thought of two men having sex.


  • #38
    1ZRed
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    kneemos wrote: »
    No law against being digusted,A lot of people would find anal sex disgusting and I'm sure homosexuals would find straight sex pretty disgusting,urinating on someone is disgusting in my book but sex with a Volkswagen is just incredibly amusing.

    No, the majority of homosexuals wouldn't find straight sex disgusting, it is merely "meh" to them because it uninterests them. You're brought up to think gay sex is disgusting, but not straight sex, so many don't see anything disgusting about straight sex, it just doesn't do anything for them.

    How you're brought up to view things will really influence how you see things like gay sex and you most likely could see it as disgusting because you were raised in this society to think that way. Do away with the stigma, which is happening all the time, and the majority of straight people will eventually just view gay sex as "meh" and something that doesn't interest or do anything for them -no disgust though.


  • #39
    Ihatecuddles-old
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    Everyone has their fetishes, some weirder than others. Once its legal and harming nobody then have at it.

    I personally think a fetish for feet is gross, but thats one of the more common.


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    sbsquarepants
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    Ihatecuddles wrote: »
    Everyone has their fetishes, some weirder than others. Once its legal and harming nobody then have at it.

    I personally think a fetish for feet is gross, but thats one of the more common.

    I don't think even legal comes into it. If it's not harming anybody then have at it - it's not so long ago that homosexuality was illegal. Legality is at the whim of policy makers.

    I also don't get the foot thing - i wouldn't say it disgusts me or anything but i don't find feet even remotely sexual. But each to their own!


  • #41
    seven_eleven
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    everyone, and I mean EVERYONE has a range of fetishes, even those who judge others and call people with x fetish sick/freaks/weirdos, they themselves have a sick/weird fetish.

    Once its legal etc


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  • #42
    Ihatecuddles-old
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    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    I don't think even legal comes into it. If it's not harming anybody then have at it - it's not so long ago that homosexuality was illegal. Legality is at the whim of policy makers.

    I also don't get the foot thing - i wouldn't say it disgusts me or anything but i don't find feet even remotely sexual. But each to their own!

    By legal, I meant not involving children/animals. After that i think its ok!


  • #43
    kneemos
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    1ZRed wrote: »
    No, the majority of homosexuals wouldn't find straight sex disgusting, it is merely "meh" to them because it uninterests them. You're brought up to think gay sex is disgusting, but not straight sex, so many don't see anything disgusting about straight sex, it just doesn't do anything for them.

    How you're brought up to view things will really influence how you see things like gay sex and you most likely could see it as disgusting because you were raised in this society to think that way. Do away with the stigma, which is happening all the time, and the majority of straight people will eventually just view gay sex as "meh" and something that doesn't interest or do anything for them -no disgust though.

    It's just the anal sex really,the rest I can appreciate.


  • #44
    Ihatecuddles-old
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    kneemos wrote: »
    It's just the anal sex really,the rest I can appreciate.

    Nothing wrong with a bit of anal!


  • #45
    smash
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    kneemos wrote: »

    It's just the anal sex really,the rest I can appreciate.
    Does anal between a man and woman disgust you too?


  • #46
    kneemos
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    smash wrote: »
    Does anal between a man and woman disgust you too?

    It does indeed,don't want to go there.


  • #47
    1ZRed
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    kneemos wrote: »
    It's just the anal sex really,the rest I can appreciate.

    It's just sex. In fairness when I was about 15 and looking at gay porn I also thought it was all disgusting and I thought if ever I did play around with a guy it could only be kissing. Ofc. That's just how I was brought up to see it and I copped on and realised it's just sex, feck all wrong with it.

    There isn't a huge amount of a difference between anal sex between a man and a woman or two men, the gender difference being the only difference, so I didn't get the big deal anymore after that. Call gay sex disgusting but it's all about as "disgusting" as straight sex, but with nothing wrong with either one.


  • #48
    Ihatecuddles-old
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    kneemos wrote: »
    It does indeed,don't want to go there.

    Not even if she used loads of lube? :pac:


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    gobnaitolunacy
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    Meet me back here with a concrete mixer, a hamster and a sexy nun outfit.


  • #50
    Scanlas The 2nd
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    Ihatecuddles wrote: »

    By legal, I meant not involving children/animals. After that i think its ok!

    How do you feel about insects being used for sexual gratification?


  • #51
    --Kaiser--
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    Scanlas The 2nd wrote: »
    How do you feel about insects being used for sexual gratification?

    Insects are animals


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