Re How the Irish Govnerment are killing people for our debt

GoldenLight

Carer's Allowance cut in each budget, also the huge delay in getting it (12 months) and then being told that a dementia person, who has aggressive cancer, dosn't need a carer. when she did 3 years ago.

Basically what our government is hoping for is that we, will look after our loved ones without the state having to help out at all. Sorry with any long term illness, carerr's are saving the state huge amounts of money.


Yet we are considered the scum of the moment, our government is hitting the people (that may not have the time) that our protecting the most vunerable of our social communities.

I have just spent the last 5/3 years latter as carer (full time) to my mother who had Dementia and Cancer, I saved the state 1,000's of euros in care, because I wanted to do it, and would again

She died two weeks ago tonight,

franktheplank

Agreed, it's absolutely appalling.

I've never thought this before but I think we now live in a really, really sick society. I think this state has essentially failed and it scares me where we're going from here.

donvito99

Really sorry for your loss.

As someone who's been relatively apathetic in the grand scheme of things to our austerity, cuts to carers really bugs me.

I cannot think of any other vocation, which it is, that demands SO many hours of phenomenal care, attention and tremendous self-sacrifice.

This is a textbook example of preying on the vulnerable.

Now would be a good time to cut foreign aid.

Fromthetrees

That's a very sad story.:(

The government does help out though doesn't it, we have a deficit that needs to be closed, there are probably better ways to do it then cut this allowance but cuts have to be made. If they cut children's allowance by say 40 instead of 10 to cover somewhere else than more children might go to bed hungry.

What are the incompetent leaders of this country supposed to do?

mickdw

These across the board cuts are horrible. I know some families that genuinely cannot survive even though they are providing a carer service far far above what they are being paid for, a service that is most definitely needed and also saves the state a fortune.

Not to take from what these people do, but there are also thousands of households around the country where reasonably healthy pensioners are living with family and the family are getting a carers allowance for them when realistically, it shouldnt be too much to look after a parent with them already having an income of 200 or so into the household along with many benefits. Some of these should be cut imo to facilitate proper payments to the real family carers who currently seem to be expected to work 24 hour days.
Dont get me wrong, where an old person needs the care, it should be available such as the OPs case. Im just pointing out that there are abuses in the system and it should be tightened up to enable increased funding where needed.

admiralofthefleet

Phil hogans latest junket cost the equivelant of the cut to 100 respite care givers.
they really couldnt care less about the ordinary joe soap who is keeping the country going yet the bend over backwards for the banks and wealthy

arybvtcw0eolkf

GoldenLight wrote: »

Yet we are considered the scum of the moment, our government is hitting the people (that may not have the time) that our protecting the most vunerable of our social communities.

She died two weeks ago tonight,

You're not scum.. Our governments have been trying to defeat the public with 'Divide and Conquer' tactics for a long time now.. First it was turn Private Sector work against his brother/sister in the Public Sector.. Now its turn strongest against the weakest in society.

We should all, each and every one of us.. All stand strong against these slithery, snaky bastards in Kildare St.

Finally, and sincerely. I'm sorry to hear of the loss of your mam. May she rest in peace.

franktheplank

Fromthetrees wrote: »

The government does help out though doesn't it, we have a deficit that needs to be closed, there are probably better ways to do it then cut this allowance but cuts have to be made. If they cut children's allowance by say 40 instead of 10 to cover somewhere else than more children might go to bed hungry.

There's still plenty of areas that could have been cut that wouldn't have this cruelty.

Still plenty of overpaid public servants, banks being bailed out, money being doled out blindly to quangos, foreign aid, a rent allowance scheme with tens of thousands of empty houses.

I hate the term but i think we've reached a point where the country is morally bankrupt, if we're cutting people who genuinely need assistance while still pampering the cronies.

donvito99

Governments fell in the 80s over taxes on children's shoes.

I have a feeling Labour will soon get hot enough under the collar to be prepared to pull the rug from under the coalition unless things like carers allowance are restored and protected.

Where's the line in the sand? As Dara O'Briain would say, we're into tropical thunder regions at this stage.

fkt

''for our debt''...

It sounds as though you don't respect the importance of paying down our debt. It will be alot worse than one death here and there if we don't.

franktheplank

donvito99 wrote: »

Where's the line in the sand? As Dara O'Briain would say, we're into tropical thunder regions at this stage.

I think there's still a let them eat cake mentality from our 'leaders'.

Completely detached from reality. Look at those fools making crank calls the night before the budget. I know that's a bit of storm in a tea cup in some ways but in another way it really shows how clueless these idiots are.

hooradiation

We're still in debt, they need to kill more people and faster.


Unless you weren't being literal and were just using the title as hyperbole to stir up an emotional response, in which case...they might as well kill some more anyway.
With any luck they'll wipe out such shameless manipulators of sentiment.

Its Behind You!

The world has to wake up to the fact that those who do "'well' in government are psychopaths, who can sleep easily at night after causing pain and misery to a nation.

Those with a social conscience go nowhere, considered too weak by peers and no good to international corporations who want to manipulate them for their own commercial benefits. And then there's just the plain damn stupid who have been voted in by stupid people who do not use their vote well.

The nation voted 'yes' to Europe, says it all

Governments don't give a damn about the weak and the needy, they are no good to them.

Real sorry to hear about your mum and the hard times you must have had.

Wishing you better times ahead.

franktheplank

hooradiation wrote: »

We're still in debt, they need to kill more people and faster.


Unless you weren't being literal and were just using the title as hyperbole to stir up an emotional response, in which case...they might as well kill some more anyway.
With any luck they'll wipe out such shameless manipulators of sentiment.

That sir, is repulsive.

Freddy Smelly

and yet i bet ye will still vote fg/labour next election :rolleyes:

hooradiation

franktheplank wrote: »

That sir, is repulsive.

You have no idea...

franktheplank

hooradiation wrote: »

You have no idea...

And i'd sooner keep it that way. It's easy race to the bottom, to the absolute lowest forms of ignorance and nastiness. Any idiot with a keyboard and an inflated sense of importance can do that.

You're not original, you're not clever, you're not 'telling it like it is' so yes, keep it to yourself.

Its Behind You!

hooradiation wrote: »

We're still in debt, they need to kill more people and faster.


Unless you weren't being literal and were just using the title as hyperbole to stir up an emotional response, in which case...they might as well kill some more anyway.
With any luck they'll wipe out such shameless manipulators of sentiment.

Are you a fan of Aleister Crowley by any chance?

Fromthetrees

franktheplank wrote: »

There's still plenty of areas that could have been cut that wouldn't have this cruelty.

Still plenty of overpaid public servants, banks being bailed out, money being doled out blindly to quangos, foreign aid, a rent allowance scheme with tens of thousands of empty houses.

I hate the term but i think we've reached a point where the country is morally bankrupt, if we're cutting people who genuinely need assistance while still pampering the cronies.

I agree with that to a large extent but how can we or the government touch overpaid civil servants without tackling the CPA.
I hate that we're giving money to dead banks but we owe it, it's our debt now.
Quangos are ridiculous and unnecessary I agree.
Moving thousands of people who are on the dole into unfinished ghost estates in the middle of nowhere with no amenities or services could create much bigger problems down the line. Who would actually pay to get all these set up and running anyway.

I agree with the sentiment but essentially we're borrowing billions every year and the majority of all expenditure goes on social welfare, if we don't cut this over spending we could default on our debt and we could become worse than Greece overnight. We need to balance our books, the sooner the better and once we do that we can tackle whatever we want.

We've had 5 or 6 austerity budgets and we're still borrowing billions per year, it's absolute insanity. My daughter is going to be paying back the debts this government and the last government are running up just on day to day spending, it's not right, as things stand now I'm either raising her to emigrate or else stay here and pay off this debt we're racking up now, both options piss me off.

mikom

hooradiation wrote: »

We're still in debt, they need to kill more people and faster.

Fine.
Start at the top.

hooradiation

franktheplank wrote: »

And i'd sooner keep it that way. It's easy race to the bottom, to the absolute lowest forms of ignorance and nastiness. Any idiot with a keyboard and an inflated sense of importance can do that.

You're not original, you're not clever, you're not 'telling it like it is' so yes, keep it to yourself.

Or you'll do what, exactly?

Nothing... thought so.


Nobody is "killing people for our debt" it's nothing but hyperbole and that's all it is.
A little goddamn perspective wouldn't go amiss.

Smidge

Heartbreaking post OP

I'm terribly sorry for your loss and would like to offer sincere praise to you for how you looked after your mother.

As a matter of interest though and to all of the people out there who think "Well there has to be cuts" I have been told by two seperate people this week that they have been cut off carers, no explanation. Just no money.

Now these people(who barely have a chance to scratch themselves due to their caring role) have to ring up 2 weeks before xmas, no money and have to go through all of the f*cking red tape again.

:mad:
^^^
This actually doesn't even emote how mad I am about this.

hooradiation

mikom wrote: »

Fine.
Start at the top.

Hey apparently murdering people lessens our debt... somehow.

Let's go killcrazy!

Smidge

hooradiation wrote: »

Or you'll do what, exactly?

Nothing... thought so.


Nobody is "killing people for our debt" it's nothing but hyperbole and that's all it is.
A little goddamn perspective wouldn't go amiss.

I take it that your mother is still alive and didn't spend the past few years of her life in sickness and agony???

I think you are the one who needs some perspective on this

hooradiation

Smidge wrote: »

I take it that your mother is still alive and didn't spend the past few years of her life in sickness and agony???

I think you are the one who needs some perspective on this

Nah, she died ages ago. Aneurysms are terrible things.

swing and a miss, boy.

donegal_road

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

Phil hogans latest junket cost the equivelant of the cut to 100 respite care givers.
they really couldnt care less about the ordinary joe soap who is keeping the country going yet the bend over backwards for the banks and wealthy

.

franktheplank

Fromthetrees wrote: »

I agree with that to a large extent but how can we or the government touch overpaid civil servants without tackling the CPA.
I hate that we're giving money to dead banks but we owe it, it's our debt now.
Quangos are ridiculous and unnecessary I agree.
Moving thousands of people who are on the dole into unfinished ghost estates in the middle of nowhere with no amenities or services could create much bigger problems down the line. Who would actually pay to get all these set up and running anyway.

Let me guess, public service and own at least one house?

There's no reason not to tackle the CPA. I'm no expert but from what i know there is room that it can be revisited if required. I think that should come before cutting carers allowance.

There's plenty of housing in the country that's empty and isn't unfinished. It doesn't all have to be filled, just enough that the market forces act freely. My mate lived in the old east germany recently, since the wall came down they did the same thing we did and built too many houses, because there was an over supply the cost of rent dropped to all but maintenance costs.

We're keeping a false floor in the market just the please the property investors.

Also, I don't see why we can't renege on the banking debt. There's very view people here (in Ireland) who would defend the FF governments mandate to take on private debt as they did.

up for anything

hooradiation wrote: »

Nobody is "killing people for our debt" it's nothing but hyperbole and that's all it is.
A little goddamn perspective wouldn't go amiss.

A little perspective is probably hard to come by after caring 24/7 for a very sick and demented woman for years. :rolleyes:

franktheplank

hooradiation wrote: »

Or you'll do what, exactly?

Yes, I'll come find you behind your keyboard.

I've no problem expressing my views in public. Somehow I doubt you do the same.

hooradiation

franktheplank wrote: »

Yes, I'll come find you behind your keyboard.

I've no problem expressing my views in public. Somehow I doubt you do the same.

Hold on, Neil deGrasse Tyson wishes to warn us all that "we got a badass over here".

Once he's done, you may resume your hollow posturing.

Its Behind You!

@hooradation.

Golden Light lost her mum just 2 weeks ago and you think it's ok to get stuck into her thread with intentional confrontational posts.

I hope that you are 'on' something at the moment, cause that frame of mind is not one you would want to have permanently.

Smidge

Also wanted to add.....

Is it common practice for the SW to cut off someone from carers (ie no payment) with no notice????

This is what happened in the cases that I heard of this week.

No letter, nothing.

Very bad form imo

franktheplank

hooradiation wrote: »

Hold on, Neil deGrasse Tyson wishes to warn us all that "we got a badass over here".

Once he's done, you may resume your hollow posturing.

Is it the best you can do to defend you're right to be an asshole on an anonymous forum?

Maybe you should start another thread, it's not really the topic here?

hooradiation

Its Behind You! wrote: »

@hooradation.

Golden Light lost her mum just 2 weeks ago and you think it's ok to get stuck into her thread with intentional confrontational posts.

I hope that you are 'on' something at the moment, cause that frame of mind is not one you would want to have permanently.

Grief doesn't buy you an exemption from saying things that are plainly ridiculous.

I'm sure they feel awful, but that doesn't carry with it an obligation to indulge their opinions regardless.

Addendum:
If I started blaming "big pharma" or something equally nonsensical for my mothers death, I'd expect people to show some goddamn backbone and call me on my nonsense, same here.

franktheplank

hooradiation wrote: »

Addendum:
If I started blaming "big pharma" or something equally nonsensical for my mothers death, I'd expect people to show some goddamn backbone and call me on my nonsense, same here.

You're just further demonstrating your arrogance with this kind of half assed backtracking. I've made my views clear on your 'contribution' and I won't be involved any further with you.

Its Behind You!

hooradiation wrote: »

Grief doesn't buy you an exemption from saying things that are plainly ridiculous.

I'm sure they feel awful, but that doesn't carry with it an obligation to indulge their opinions regardless.

Addendum:
If I started blaming "big pharma" or something equally nonsensical for my mothers death, I'd expect people to show some goddamn backbone and call me on my nonsense, same here.

You clearly get some sort of buzz from stirring it up.

DylanII

I didn't think that anyone would actually support the cuts to careers.

I only know one person who is a career. She left her dream job, a very high paying one, to look after her mother who needs 24/7 care.

She could have just let the state take care of her, costing them a lot of money, but she didn't she sacrificed everything, and how is she thanked for this? By taking more money from her?

I know that there need to be cuts, I know that we need to pay more taxes. I would have no issue with further increase in taxes (vat/income taxes) or further cuts in services and increases in education fees (all of those would directly effect me) in order for these people not to be cut. I actually feel all of these people should be getting an increase in payments.

But the thing is, who can we vote for that won't allow this kind of thing to happen?

hooradiation

franktheplank wrote: »

You're just further demonstrating your arrogance with this kind of half assed backtracking. I've made my views clear on your 'contribution' and I won't be involved any further with you.

Well if you aren't able to stand over your comments, then what can I do?

A shame, really.

Fromthetrees

franktheplank wrote: »

Let me guess, public service and own at least one house?

There's no reason not to tackle the CPA. I'm no expert but from what i know there is room that it can be revisited if required. I think that should come before cutting carers allowance.

There's plenty of housing in the country that's empty and isn't unfinished. It doesn't all have to be filled, just enough that the market forces act freely. My mate lived in the old east germany recently, since the wall came down they did the same thing we did and built too many houses, because there was an over supply the cost of rent dropped to all but maintenance costs.

We're keeping a false floor in the market just the please the property investors.

Also, I don't see why we can't renege on the banking debt. There's very view people here (in Ireland) who would defend the FF governments mandate to take on private debt as they did.

I don't work in the public sector and I don't own my own house, you'll just have to take my word for it.

The CPA is due to run until this time next year I think so negotiations should begin on it's replacement now, they could have a new one in place by the next budget.
I think any public sector worker on a 6 figure salary should really need to prove they are worth their salary or they should be cut. I think all or most of the semi state bodies should be sold off. I think teachers should work during the summer months doing something productive. I think the fact you have a guaranteed job and pension in the public sector with a powerful union behind you, paid sick days ect. ect. should mean you get paid 10% less than an equivalent job in the private sector.

I know rent allowance is a bit of a disaster but these ghost estates are a non runner really. Who's going to pay to bring them up to a livable standard, where's the money to do it? If there's a ghost estate with 50 houses located an hour from Galway City do you just move 50 families on the dole in with no cars, no bus service, no library ect ect.

We can't renege on our debt when we're borrowing billions every year, you know, they'll kinda stop giving us money if we show we won't pay it back.
Now, if we closed the deficit in our budget to a surplus, have solid growth prospects and all that, then I would absolutely love to renege on our debt, and we may well get away with it then but we simply can't right now.

Cutting the carers allowance is probably as horrible of a cut that can be made but we are borrowing billions just to keep the show running today, cuts today seem unfair but in my opinion it is far more unfair to lump today's debt spending onto our children. My daughter will have to pay for today's spending. What I'm saying is we have to cut everything, we have to balance the books.

Smidge

Fromthetrees wrote: »

I don't work in the public sector and I don't own my own house, you'll just have to take my word for it.

The CPA is due to run until this time next year I think so negotiations should begin on it's replacement now, they could have a new one in place by the next budget.
I think any public sector worker on a 6 figure salary should really need to prove they are worth their salary or they should be cut. I think all or most of the semi state bodies should be sold off. I think teachers should work during the summer months doing something productive. I think the fact you have a guaranteed job and pension in the public sector with a powerful union behind you, paid sick days ect. ect. should mean you get paid 10% less than an equivalent job in the private sector.

I know rent allowance is a bit of a disaster but these ghost estates are a non runner really. Who's going to pay to bring them up to a livable standard, where's the money to do it? If there's a ghost estate with 50 houses located an hour from Galway City do you just move 50 families on the dole in with no cars, no bus service, no library ect ect.

We can't renege on our debt when we're borrowing billions every year, you know, they'll kinda stop giving us money if we show we won't pay it back.
Now, if we closed the deficit in our budget to a surplus, have solid growth prospects and all that, then I would absolutely love to renege on our debt, and we may well get away with it then but we simply can't right now.

Cutting the carers allowance is probably as horrible of a cut that can be made but we are borrowing billions just to keep the show running today, cuts today seem unfair but in my opinion it is far more unfair to lump today's debt spending onto our children. My daughter will have to pay for today's spending. What I'm saying is we have to cut everything, we have to balance the books.

With all due respect FTT,
Is you daughter in good health, I would presume so as you see a career in her future and that is a blessing.

There is an expression "Where you're rearing, be sparing"
What about the parent who now, today has special needs children(notice the plural).
How do they cope day to day?
With the carers allowance if they have been lucky enough to get it because maybe, just maybe someone in the carers dept has decided that your Downs child in not disabled enough and that your other child with learning and emotional difficulties is the same???
People with special needs family members haven't got the luxury of hoping past today.

They cant worry about saving a country from debt, all they can worry about is how the hell will they get through today.

hatrickpatrick

Our government doesn't give a sh!t about ordinary people.
There will be a bunch of jerks posting after me saying "But we're spending too much, we have to balance the books, etc etc etc" - well FINE, but is there ANY logical reason not to do so fairly? Is there ANY logical reason to make everyone responsible for private banking debt? Is there ANY logical reason that TDs and advisors should be getting six figure salaries? Is there ANY logical reason that former politicians who are variously up to their necks in corruption should be paid "expenses" despite the fact that they are no longer employed by the state? Is there ANY logical reason that Enda & co should have the power to personally intervene and breach a pay cap for one of their former colleagues?

I could go on and on and on. Where's the f*cking justice??? When will we see the people who ran Anglo into the ground up in front of a judge to answer fraud charges? When will we see former ministers up on charges of colluding with them to help them run away with the cash while screwing the rest of us? When will we follow Iceland's example and have the Cowen & co tried for incompetence?

You can cut carer's allowance if it's necessary, but ONLY AFTER you've milked the political elite for all you can get. Otherwise this country is being run for the benefit of a financial sector clique with no regard for anyone else, and I for one will simply not tolerate living in that kind of society anymore. Enough is enough.

Smidge

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Our government doesn't give a sh!t about ordinary people.
There will be a bunch of jerks posting after me saying "But we're spending too much, we have to balance the books, etc etc etc" - well FINE, but is there ANY logical reason not to do so fairly? Is there ANY logical reason to make everyone responsible for private banking debt? Is there ANY logical reason that TDs and advisors should be getting six figure salaries? Is there ANY logical reason that former politicians who are variously up to their necks in corruption should be paid "expenses" despite the fact that they are no longer employed by the state? Is there ANY logical reason that Enda & co should have the power to personally intervene and breach a pay cap for one of their former colleagues?

I could go on and on and on. Where's the f*cking justice??? When will we see the people who ran Anglo into the ground up in front of a judge to answer fraud charges? When will we see former ministers up on charges of colluding with them to help them run away with the cash while screwing the rest of us? When will we follow Iceland's example and have the Cowen & co tried for incompetence?

You can cut carer's allowance if it's necessary, but ONLY AFTER you've milked the political elite for all you can get. Otherwise this country is being run for the benefit of a financial sector clique with no regard for anyone else, and I for one will simply not tolerate living in that kind of society anymore. Enough is enough.

I think its the sheer deviance of cutting the carers that bothers me.

I know a few carers(2 of which got cut off with no notice this week)but the thing about it is the Government KNOW these carers haven't got a leg to stand on to challenge these cuts.

What are they going to do???

Dump their alzheimers/stroke victim mother at the A&E door and say "I really don't feel like taking out your incontinence bag any more" and leggit?

Ditch their teenage child with learning and emotional issues at the local health centre and say "You know what? You are 14 and I don't want to have to wash you face and brush you teeth or deal with your fears and nightmares and day to day heartache that would be appropriate for a 6 year old any more"

The Government know this will not happen so they say "lets bugger these poor people whose lives we would never want to live because they can do f*ck all about it".

Fromthetrees

Smidge wrote: »

With all due respect FTT,
Is you daughter in good health, I would presume so as you see a career in her future and that is a blessing.

There is an expression "Where you're rearing, be sparing"
What about the parent who now, today has special needs children(notice the plural).
How do they cope day to day?
With the carers allowance if they have been lucky enough to get it because maybe, just maybe someone in the carers dept has decided that your Downs child in not disabled enough and that your other child with learning and emotional difficulties is the same???
People with special needs family members haven't got the luxury of hoping past today.

They cant worry about saving a country from debt, all they can worry about is how the hell will they get through today.

I agree and I don't think I'd be able to cope if I had to deal with a mentally handicapped child. I should have posted my points in a different thread really. I did do voluntary work in a school before, (3 hours a week for 6 months)

It just annoys me why we can't just eliminate the deficit as quickly as possible and we can all move on from there. 6 austerity budgets and we're still borrowing billions is insanity. If we don't get a grip of spending and if we did default on our sovereign debt we'll be really screwed, there might be no money at all for anyone and the country might fall apart, we need pain now to avoid a complete collapse.

There's 'library assistants' in colleges in this country getting 6 figure salaries on borrowed money, we are putting our children up as collateral to obtain this money, I'm sorry, but this fact annoys me more than any cut will.

hatrickpatrick

Fromthetrees wrote: »

There's 'library assistants' in colleges in this country getting 6 figure salaries on borrowed money, we are putting our children up as collateral to obtain this money, I'm sorry, but this fact annoys me more than any cut will.

This. It's the injustice of it that really p!sses me off, but apparently too many people have this simplistic "we have to balance the books end of story" attitude, without realizing that it's HOW we're balancing them that's angering people. Again, why the aversion to justice? Would anyone honestly be upset if all politicians who no longer worked for the state lost all their cash entitlements except for their pensions? WHAT is the logic of paying "expenses" to someone who no longer works for you? Expenses are supposed to be work related costs, if he's not working for us anymore then he HAS no expenses.

That's just one example, but I have hundreds more. Why should we all be suffering when they're not? They're the ones who made this mess in the first place FFS!

shedweller

fkt wrote: »

''for our debt''...

It sounds as though you don't respect the importance of paying down our debt. It will be alot worse than one death here and there if we don't.

Our debt?

Smidge

Fromthetrees wrote: »

I agree and I don't think I'd be able to cope if I had to deal with a mentally handicapped child. I should have posted my points in a different thread really. I did do voluntary work in a school before, (3 hours a week for 6 months)

It just annoys me why we can't just eliminate the deficit as quickly as possible and we can all move on from there. 6 austerity budgets and we're still borrowing billions is insanity. If we don't get a grip of spending and if we did default on our sovereign debt we'll be really screwed, there might be no money at all for anyone and the country might fall apart, we need pain now to avoid a complete collapse.

There's 'library assistants' in colleges in this country getting 6 figure salaries on borrowed money, we are putting our children up as collateral to obtain this money, I'm sorry, but this fact annoys me more than any cut will.

I totally get you point about bloated wages in this state, utterly ridiculous imo.

But hitting people who have no lives so to speak(and I have seen this first hand)because they give every waking moment looking after the most vunerable in our society is just downright appalling.

I have to say at this stage I am really despairing of what we have become as a nation.

Try to live in a world where there is no "out" because you are bound by duty and love to look after this person who is less fortunate than we are.

K-9

hooradiation wrote: »

Nobody is "killing people for our debt" it's nothing but hyperbole and that's all it is.
A little goddamn perspective wouldn't go amiss.

Indeed, you are getting all worked up over a thread title on an internet forum from somebody who lost their mother 2 weeks ago. Cop on and don't post on this thread again.

Cavehill Red

hooradiation wrote: »

Hey apparently murdering people lessens our debt... somehow.

Let's go killcrazy!

I'll make a prediction. This recession and its concomitant pain and suffering inflicted on working people across the globe will end approximately ten minutes after the first person goes postal at the Bilderberg conference, Davos or in Goldman Sachs' boardroom.

GoldenLight

Sorry, I fell a sleep.

And I can't reply to everyone here, but huge THANK YOU, to most posts.

My Mum, while I cared for her, gave me the best 5 years of my life, and if I had the chance to do it again, I would do it again in a heart beat. She gave me more than anyone could in that time. I was honoured to give what I could back to her. And thankfully she died peacefully and at home among love

We, within general where relatively safe with the cuts (until the last budget) which doesn't affect me any more (thankfully). No my mother didn't die from, what our government cuts, what sickens me though is that our government actually thinks it's ok to keep cutting/slashing away at the most vunerable in society. When they refused my application of Carer's Allowance. (back in July) her doctor out of frustration, even said "What do they want, her to be dead". I find it ironic that she now is, and I'm still waiting on our government to look at my appeal to carers' allowance 6 months later.

And yet our government still thinks it's ok to cut carer's. I again I'm sorry I'm emotive about this each time in each budget, they our decided to pick on the people who couldn't fight back. Each budget managed to take something away from the carer's.

By the way in the period I was Carering for my Mum (she was a dreamer, like I am) We managed to create 3 full time self supporting jobs.

You see even in her illiness, she kept giving to a country she loved. I think I'm a little more cynical than her.

Thank you to everyone who took the time to post here

GoldenLight

hooradiation wrote: »

Or you'll do what, exactly?

Nothing... thought so.


Nobody is "killing people for our debt" it's nothing but hyperbole and that's all it is.
A little goddamn perspective wouldn't go amiss.

Really I see people dieing all around me, the guy who died of the cold in Bray, the guy who was pushed under the bus, the suicides on the DART line, that is only in the last month.

I think "Our Debt" has a lot more to do with death that you might actually think.

I also agree it is a projection, of what I'm seeing, but so is most peoples realities (reality is subjective, so is sticking your head in the sand) I'm just stating my version of a reality.

But I'm happy if you want to re invent the sandwich.

Sunnyisland

Sorry for the loss of your mother OP.