Re How the Irish Govnerment are killing people for our debt

GoldenLight · 13-12-2012 01:45AM #1

Carer's Allowance cut in each budget, also the huge delay in getting it (12 months) and then being told that a dementia person, who has aggressive cancer, dosn't need a carer. when she did 3 years ago.

Basically what our government is hoping for is that we, will look after our loved ones without the state having to help out at all. Sorry with any long term illness, carerr's are saving the state huge amounts of money.

Yet we are considered the scum of the moment, our government is hitting the people (that may not have the time) that our protecting the most vunerable of our social communities.

I have just spent the last 5/3 years latter as carer (full time) to my mother who had Dementia and Cancer, I saved the state 1,000's of euros in care, because I wanted to do it, and would again

She died two weeks ago tonight,

franktheplank · 13-12-2012 01:50AM

Agreed, it's absolutely appalling.

I've never thought this before but I think we now live in a really, really sick society. I think this state has essentially failed and it scares me where we're going from here.

donvito99 · 13-12-2012 01:52AM

Really sorry for your loss.

As someone who's been relatively apathetic in the grand scheme of things to our austerity, cuts to carers really bugs me.

I cannot think of any other vocation, which it is, that demands SO many hours of phenomenal care, attention and tremendous self-sacrifice.

This is a textbook example of preying on the vulnerable.

Now would be a good time to cut foreign aid.

Fromthetrees · 13-12-2012 01:53AM

That's a very sad story.:(

The government does help out though doesn't it, we have a deficit that needs to be closed, there are probably better ways to do it then cut this allowance but cuts have to be made. If they cut children's allowance by say 40 instead of 10 to cover somewhere else than more children might go to bed hungry.

What are the incompetent leaders of this country supposed to do?

mickdw · 13-12-2012 01:53AM

These across the board cuts are horrible. I know some families that genuinely cannot survive even though they are providing a carer service far far above what they are being paid for, a service that is most definitely needed and also saves the state a fortune.

Not to take from what these people do, but there are also thousands of households around the country where reasonably healthy pensioners are living with family and the family are getting a carers allowance for them when realistically, it shouldnt be too much to look after a parent with them already having an income of 200 or so into the household along with many benefits. Some of these should be cut imo to facilitate proper payments to the real family carers who currently seem to be expected to work 24 hour days.
Dont get me wrong, where an old person needs the care, it should be available such as the OPs case. Im just pointing out that there are abuses in the system and it should be tightened up to enable increased funding where needed.

admiralofthefleet · 13-12-2012 01:54AM

Phil hogans latest junket cost the equivelant of the cut to 100 respite care givers.
they really couldnt care less about the ordinary joe soap who is keeping the country going yet the bend over backwards for the banks and wealthy

arybvtcw0eolkf · 13-12-2012 01:57AM

GoldenLight wrote: »

Yet we are considered the scum of the moment, our government is hitting the people (that may not have the time) that our protecting the most vunerable of our social communities.

She died two weeks ago tonight,

You're not scum.. Our governments have been trying to defeat the public with 'Divide and Conquer' tactics for a long time now.. First it was turn Private Sector work against his brother/sister in the Public Sector.. Now its turn strongest against the weakest in society.

We should all, each and every one of us.. All stand strong against these slithery, snaky bastards in Kildare St.

Finally, and sincerely. I'm sorry to hear of the loss of your mam. May she rest in peace.

franktheplank · 13-12-2012 01:57AM

Fromthetrees wrote: »

The government does help out though doesn't it, we have a deficit that needs to be closed, there are probably better ways to do it then cut this allowance but cuts have to be made. If they cut children's allowance by say 40 instead of 10 to cover somewhere else than more children might go to bed hungry.

There's still plenty of areas that could have been cut that wouldn't have this cruelty.

Still plenty of overpaid public servants, banks being bailed out, money being doled out blindly to quangos, foreign aid, a rent allowance scheme with tens of thousands of empty houses.

I hate the term but i think we've reached a point where the country is morally bankrupt, if we're cutting people who genuinely need assistance while still pampering the cronies.

donvito99 · 13-12-2012 01:58AM

Governments fell in the 80s over taxes on children's shoes.

I have a feeling Labour will soon get hot enough under the collar to be prepared to pull the rug from under the coalition unless things like carers allowance are restored and protected.

Where's the line in the sand? As Dara O'Briain would say, we're into tropical thunder regions at this stage.

fkt · 13-12-2012 02:01AM

''for our debt''...

It sounds as though you don't respect the importance of paying down our debt. It will be alot worse than one death here and there if we don't.

franktheplank · 13-12-2012 02:03AM

donvito99 wrote: »

Where's the line in the sand? As Dara O'Briain would say, we're into tropical thunder regions at this stage.

I think there's still a let them eat cake mentality from our 'leaders'.

Completely detached from reality. Look at those fools making crank calls the night before the budget. I know that's a bit of storm in a tea cup in some ways but in another way it really shows how clueless these idiots are.

hooradiation · 13-12-2012 02:05AM

We're still in debt, they need to kill more people and faster.

Unless you weren't being literal and were just using the title as hyperbole to stir up an emotional response, in which case...they might as well kill some more anyway.
With any luck they'll wipe out such shameless manipulators of sentiment.

Its Behind You! · 13-12-2012 02:05AM

The world has to wake up to the fact that those who do "'well' in government are psychopaths, who can sleep easily at night after causing pain and misery to a nation.

Those with a social conscience go nowhere, considered too weak by peers and no good to international corporations who want to manipulate them for their own commercial benefits. And then there's just the plain damn stupid who have been voted in by stupid people who do not use their vote well.

The nation voted 'yes' to Europe, says it all

Governments don't give a damn about the weak and the needy, they are no good to them.

Real sorry to hear about your mum and the hard times you must have had.

Wishing you better times ahead.

franktheplank · 13-12-2012 02:07AM

hooradiation wrote: »

We're still in debt, they need to kill more people and faster.

Unless you weren't being literal and were just using the title as hyperbole to stir up an emotional response, in which case...they might as well kill some more anyway.
With any luck they'll wipe out such shameless manipulators of sentiment.

That sir, is repulsive.

Freddy Smelly · 13-12-2012 02:08AM

and yet i bet ye will still vote fg/labour next election :rolleyes:

hooradiation · 13-12-2012 02:09AM

franktheplank wrote: »

That sir, is repulsive.

You have no idea...

franktheplank · 13-12-2012 02:13AM

hooradiation wrote: »

You have no idea...

And i'd sooner keep it that way. It's easy race to the bottom, to the absolute lowest forms of ignorance and nastiness. Any idiot with a keyboard and an inflated sense of importance can do that.

You're not original, you're not clever, you're not 'telling it like it is' so yes, keep it to yourself.

Its Behind You! · 13-12-2012 02:14AM

hooradiation wrote: »

We're still in debt, they need to kill more people and faster.

Unless you weren't being literal and were just using the title as hyperbole to stir up an emotional response, in which case...they might as well kill some more anyway.
With any luck they'll wipe out such shameless manipulators of sentiment.

Are you a fan of Aleister Crowley by any chance?

Fromthetrees · 13-12-2012 02:15AM

franktheplank wrote: »

There's still plenty of areas that could have been cut that wouldn't have this cruelty.

Still plenty of overpaid public servants, banks being bailed out, money being doled out blindly to quangos, foreign aid, a rent allowance scheme with tens of thousands of empty houses.

I hate the term but i think we've reached a point where the country is morally bankrupt, if we're cutting people who genuinely need assistance while still pampering the cronies.

I agree with that to a large extent but how can we or the government touch overpaid civil servants without tackling the CPA.
I hate that we're giving money to dead banks but we owe it, it's our debt now.
Quangos are ridiculous and unnecessary I agree.
Moving thousands of people who are on the dole into unfinished ghost estates in the middle of nowhere with no amenities or services could create much bigger problems down the line. Who would actually pay to get all these set up and running anyway.

I agree with the sentiment but essentially we're borrowing billions every year and the majority of all expenditure goes on social welfare, if we don't cut this over spending we could default on our debt and we could become worse than Greece overnight. We need to balance our books, the sooner the better and once we do that we can tackle whatever we want.

We've had 5 or 6 austerity budgets and we're still borrowing billions per year, it's absolute insanity. My daughter is going to be paying back the debts this government and the last government are running up just on day to day spending, it's not right, as things stand now I'm either raising her to emigrate or else stay here and pay off this debt we're racking up now, both options piss me off.

mikom · 13-12-2012 02:15AM

hooradiation wrote: »

We're still in debt, they need to kill more people and faster.

Fine.
Start at the top.

hooradiation · 13-12-2012 02:16AM

franktheplank wrote: »

And i'd sooner keep it that way. It's easy race to the bottom, to the absolute lowest forms of ignorance and nastiness. Any idiot with a keyboard and an inflated sense of importance can do that.

You're not original, you're not clever, you're not 'telling it like it is' so yes, keep it to yourself.

Or you'll do what, exactly?

Nothing... thought so.

Nobody is "killing people for our debt" it's nothing but hyperbole and that's all it is.
A little goddamn perspective wouldn't go amiss.

Smidge · 13-12-2012 02:16AM

Heartbreaking post OP

I'm terribly sorry for your loss and would like to offer sincere praise to you for how you looked after your mother.

As a matter of interest though and to all of the people out there who think "Well there has to be cuts" I have been told by two seperate people this week that they have been cut off carers, no explanation. Just no money.

Now these people(who barely have a chance to scratch themselves due to their caring role) have to ring up 2 weeks before xmas, no money and have to go through all of the f*cking red tape again.

:mad:
^^^
This actually doesn't even emote how mad I am about this.

hooradiation · 13-12-2012 02:17AM

mikom wrote: »

Fine.
Start at the top.

Hey apparently murdering people lessens our debt... somehow.

Let's go killcrazy!

Smidge · 13-12-2012 02:19AM

hooradiation wrote: »

Or you'll do what, exactly?

Nothing... thought so.

Nobody is "killing people for our debt" it's nothing but hyperbole and that's all it is.
A little goddamn perspective wouldn't go amiss.

I take it that your mother is still alive and didn't spend the past few years of her life in sickness and agony???

I think you are the one who needs some perspective on this

hooradiation · 13-12-2012 02:21AM

Smidge wrote: »

I take it that your mother is still alive and didn't spend the past few years of her life in sickness and agony???

I think you are the one who needs some perspective on this

Nah, she died ages ago. Aneurysms are terrible things.

swing and a miss, boy.

donegal_road · 13-12-2012 02:22AM

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

Phil hogans latest junket cost the equivelant of the cut to 100 respite care givers.
they really couldnt care less about the ordinary joe soap who is keeping the country going yet the bend over backwards for the banks and wealthy

.

franktheplank · 13-12-2012 02:24AM

Fromthetrees wrote: »

I agree with that to a large extent but how can we or the government touch overpaid civil servants without tackling the CPA.
I hate that we're giving money to dead banks but we owe it, it's our debt now.
Quangos are ridiculous and unnecessary I agree.
Moving thousands of people who are on the dole into unfinished ghost estates in the middle of nowhere with no amenities or services could create much bigger problems down the line. Who would actually pay to get all these set up and running anyway.

Let me guess, public service and own at least one house?

There's no reason not to tackle the CPA. I'm no expert but from what i know there is room that it can be revisited if required. I think that should come before cutting carers allowance.

There's plenty of housing in the country that's empty and isn't unfinished. It doesn't all have to be filled, just enough that the market forces act freely. My mate lived in the old east germany recently, since the wall came down they did the same thing we did and built too many houses, because there was an over supply the cost of rent dropped to all but maintenance costs.

We're keeping a false floor in the market just the please the property investors.

Also, I don't see why we can't renege on the banking debt. There's very view people here (in Ireland) who would defend the FF governments mandate to take on private debt as they did.

up for anything · 13-12-2012 02:26AM

hooradiation wrote: »

Nobody is "killing people for our debt" it's nothing but hyperbole and that's all it is.
A little goddamn perspective wouldn't go amiss.

A little perspective is probably hard to come by after caring 24/7 for a very sick and demented woman for years. :rolleyes:

franktheplank · 13-12-2012 02:26AM

hooradiation wrote: »

Or you'll do what, exactly?

Yes, I'll come find you behind your keyboard.

I've no problem expressing my views in public. Somehow I doubt you do the same.

hooradiation · 13-12-2012 02:29AM

franktheplank wrote: »

Yes, I'll come find you behind your keyboard.

I've no problem expressing my views in public. Somehow I doubt you do the same.

Hold on, Neil deGrasse Tyson wishes to warn us all that "we got a badass over here".

Once he's done, you may resume your hollow posturing.

Its Behind You! · 13-12-2012 02:31AM

@hooradation.

Golden Light lost her mum just 2 weeks ago and you think it's ok to get stuck into her thread with intentional confrontational posts.

I hope that you are 'on' something at the moment, cause that frame of mind is not one you would want to have permanently.

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