Man pushed under Dublin Bus and decapitated

LivelineDipso

Pottler wrote: »

What happened?? Was he ok?? Did Rupert himself decide to publish it??? Will the world end soon?????? Do you have a big axe to grind????????:D

You are a ______.

Monty Burnz

Tasden wrote: »

I can understand the bystander effect to an extent although the only time I experienced it I think it was more due to being in shock rather than waiting for someone else to react.
I saw a woman be hit by a car, flung across the road into the opposite kerb and start fitting, it was horrific. It was lucky a woman there was a first aider and knew exactly what to do and took control of the situation but I have to admit if she wasn't there I have a feeling i would've just stood there in shock not knowing what to do. Hopefully I wouldn't obviously but sometimes it just happens, what you know you should do just goes out the window.
But the one thing I do know is that when I witnessed it I did not for one second think about taking a picture of it. I would've given everything not to have seen it.

That's pretty impressive. I know the bare minimum of first aid, and I imagine that even many trained folks would draw a complete blank when faced with a real-world crisis. I hope her intercession made a difference for that woman.

Monty Burnz

Grimebox wrote: »

Skip to 1:09s for maximum offence

Where is My Name is URL and his moral outrage when you actually need him?

Tasden

Monty Burnz wrote: »

That's pretty impressive. I know the bare minimum of first aid, and I imagine that even many trained folks would draw a complete blank when faced with a real-world crisis. I hope her intercession made a difference for that woman.

It was amazing. She didn't even think, just straight away knew what needed to be done. The woman survived and they reckon it was thanks to the woman who helped her.

paddy147

eire-kp wrote: »

Poor bus driver.

Wonder will he ever drive a bus or even a car again,after that??:eek:

PTSD would see him off work for a long time.

kirving

Sadly, the danger around this area has been highlighted previously. The ban on multi-axle trucks has helped make the city centre feel more comfortable, but a 12 ton but passing within feet of overcrowded pavements isn't the perfect situation.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=77311606

El Weirdo

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Where is My Name is URL and his moral outrage when you actually need him?

He was banned for calling you a prick earlier in the thread and you'll find yourself in the same position if you post in this thread again.

Higher

A friend said he was there and was disgusted. Not only by the incident itself but by all the people gawking and taking photos. Some people had the lack of respect to try get as close as possible to the body to get better pictures.

If I was there the first thing I would have done if I saw people taking photos would be to take the phone out of their hand and smash it. I honestly think I would lose the rag.

Horrible way to go. Horrible for the bus driver. Horrible for the thousands of students who would have been on that street waiting for their bus. Horrible for all the tourists. Horrible for the normal commuters. Horrible for the family of the man. Horrible reporting from the Independent. Everything about this story is horrible.

Its so strange to think tens of thousands of people will be walking on that street tomorrow like nothing happened. I am genuinely disturbed by all the whole situation.

Higher

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Where is My Name is URL and his moral outrage when you actually need him?

Are you bored? Stop trying to look for a reaction and have some respect.

OctavarIan

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

No, if you read the article one of his ghoulish reporters took photographs (Instead of possibly saving the guy) and had them published.

Story did not go down to well.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-20599224

Funnily enough none of the other people on the platform who were closer than that freelancer got in such hot water. Neither did any of the people who took photos/videos of the corpse. The real 'ghoul' is the paper itself for not only publishing the photo but publishing it in such a crass way.

macroman

Condolences to the family of the deceased very tragic and unnecessary circumstances - feel for the witnesses, and those that have to deal with the unenviable tasks involved. The Indo article was a little close to the bone.

As a coach driver I can say that my worst fear is someone ending up under my bus - these things weigh upwards of 26ton fully laden, even at 30km/h if it was to clip you, you wouldn't fair out well. Any faster and emergency stops are impossible - something other road users aren't aware of! Just last week at this very junction someone nearly ended up under my bus by walking on the roadside as I was taking the corner - earphones on, phone in hand & away in their own world - the guy didn't realise how close he was to being under my bus.

The junction in question is lethal, mainly due to pedestrians standing at the kerb not realising that buses may scrub the kerb, or cyclists undertaking on left hand junctions. There is no awareness to how pedestrians and cyclists should behave around traffic and I fear more incidents may happen like this, hopefully not in the same circumstances...

Wibbs

Conchir wrote: »

I think it might have something to do with the Bystander Effect: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect

Basically, it's the theory that a passerby is unlikely to offer help in an emergency if there are other passersby present. So, most people there would have just froze, until this one person thought to cover up the body.

This theory I think is more to do with intervening in an assault or something, but I think the same principle might apply here - no one reacted because there were others around.

Not an excuse IMH C. You get stuck in if you can. Stand around like a headless chicken and lose my respect(FWIW). Too many bloody bystanders in life I've found and yes too often I've seen it up close. Just one example: A few years back a mate and myself were walking down a street in Dublin and spotted this old guy in his 60's who was clearly in trouble. Heart issue as it turned out and we went over and tried to help. The majority of people either walked by, or just stood there like slack jawed Easter island statues gawping. I've rarely been so angry TBH. And I'm hardly the strong type by any stretch, more a coward than anything but FFS. :mad: Fair play to the taxi guy for stepping up and I look on those taking pictures as something less human, certainly not part of a species I'd wish to be associated with. Twats basically and fcuking weak mindless ones at that. :mad:

Terrible event, regardless of the back story and one helluva shít time for the guys family and friends. RIP

Andy-Pandy

I witnessed something similar in Vietnam years ago, it's an image you can never get out of your mind. Thought's to everyone involved, alot of Christmases ruined. RIP

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

Not an excuse IMH C. You get stuck in if you can. Stand around like a headless chicken and lose my respect(FWIW). Too many bloody bystanders in life I've found and yes too often I've seen it up close. Just one example: A few years back a mate and myself were walking down a street in Dublin and spotted this old guy in his 60's who was clearly in trouble. Heart issue as it turned out and we went over and tried to help. The majority of people either walked by, or just stood there like slack jawed Easter island statues gawping. I've rarely been so angry TBH. And I'm hardly the strong type by any stretch, more a coward than anything but FFS. :mad: Fair play to the taxi guy for stepping up and I look on those taking pictures as something less human, certainly not part of a species I'd wish to be associated with. Twats basically and fcuking weak mindless ones at that. :mad:

Terrible event, regardless of the back story and one helluva shít time for the guys family and friends. RIP

That's a bit harsh. A lot of people just genuinely freeze. I generally do. Not taking pictures or gawping, but I just freeze and can't react. Nothing to do with being cowardly or making any kind of conscious decision. I WANT to react, but I can't - it's like someone has pressed a pause button - and unless you suffer from this, you can't really judge people. Taking photos is a whole other issue.

somairle

As has been previously said that corner is horrible, at rush hour pedestrians are packed & the nature of the corner means buses almost cut the corner while people wait for the green man, I have had busses pass within less than a foot of me, on more than one occasion. All it would take is someone coming behind you, not looking and bumping into you and your out in the road. I am shocked its 30kph it certainly seems busses often go faster around there.

But that doesn't take away that this was murder/ manslaughter, condolences to the family and I hope everyone who had to witness this recovers ok.

Rocket19

God, the poor guy. Like a lot of other posters, I would often be in or around that junction and this time of day, and am very glad I wasn't this evening. Was around Stephens Green, and funnily enough, heard nothing of this incident.

Also, have to say that I can hardly describe my feelings on the people taking photos at the scene. Utterly disgusting, I mean, what is wrong with people??? Such a lack of empathy and respect. The thoughts of this genuinely makes me feel ill.

RIP to the poor guy,and thoughts with the family, witnesses and driver.

EarlyStorms

This is such a shocking story. I just missed this by minutes. Was on a bus listening to the radio & heard about an incident on Dawson St causing huge delays and having just passed through it I was thankful I missed what I thought/hoped would be a minor accident. Got home and heard the full extent of what happened and I couldn't believe it. My thoughts are with the poor bloke who lost his life and his family. Really feel for the bus driver and anyone who had witness this happen too. I cant believe people were trying to get closer to the body to take pictures, I can imagine those pics are flying all over the place now. Thats almost as bad as the people who put him under the bus who I hope are caught sharpish.

Wibbs

Wibbs wrote: »

Not an excuse IMH C. You get stuck in if you can. Stand around like a headless chicken and lose my respect(FWIW). Too many bloody bystanders in life I've found and yes too often I've seen it up close. Just one example: A few years back a mate and myself were walking down a street in Dublin and spotted this old guy in his 60's who was clearly in trouble. Heart issue as it turned out and we went over and tried to help. The majority of people either walked by, or just stood there like slack jawed Easter island statues gawping. I've rarely been so angry TBH. And I'm hardly the strong type by any stretch, more a coward than anything but FFS. :mad: Fair play to the taxi guy for stepping up and I look on those taking pictures as something less human, certainly not part of a species I'd wish to be associated with. Twats basically and fcuking weak mindless ones at that. :mad:

I disagree when it's something sudden and unexpected. When I was a teenager there were times me or my friends would get jumped and some of us would freeze, some would run, some would fight. Rarely was there any particular pattern as to who did what, it was just whatever way the adrenaline happened to hit at that exact time. In the case of car crashes etc. it's the same. A couple of years ago I had a car coming towards me at 50-60mph and I froze right in its path. It was lucky I did, if I'd been able to keep moving there's a 50/50 change I would've gone the same direction he did. It wasn't an intelligent or purposeful move, I just got lucky.

cantdecide

Trust me you never know how you'll react until it happens.

I was once traumatised by witnessing someone I knew from school being run over at speed by a 4x4 but thankfully he wasn't badly hurt. Just thinking about it gives me shivers. The sounds. I can only imagine what all of those poor people that had the misfortune to be there as they tried to make their way home are going through.

Pottler

LivelineDipso wrote: »

You are a ______.

Nah, I'm not really, I phrased that Post really badly though - every time there's a human incident that's just sad and tragic for the people involved, someone will come on with an agenda that's anti___(insert whatever) and twist the thread to that angle. I'm genuinely sorry for the person killed and their family, - it's not about Rupert Murdoch, his paper or a world agenda. It's about some poor fcuker that lost their life under a bus. And their family. I don't care what or who the person was, who took pictures or who didn't - I just feel for the family and am sorry they died.

cournioni

Horrible RIP. my thoughts are with his family.

Poor bus driver and witnesses too, must have been horrific.

I remember one time on Westmoreland St in Dublin heading towards O'Connell bridge a scummer tried to sell me a Big Issue, I refused and kept walking. The scummer who was from Dublin said I hope you get hit by a car and proceeded to follow me towards the traffic lights, my brother pulled me over to the side of the road away from him. The twat was still staring at me from O'Connell Bridge. Couldn't help but think of this after hearing about the tragic incident today. Really hope the perpetrators are caught and brought to justice.

SimonTemplar

This is so tragic. I really hope there were no child witnesses to this, especially at this time of year. That would have long term consequences at such an impressionable age.

Sadly there is going to be an onslaught of sensationalism from certain sectors of the printed media tomorrow with inappropriate pictures on the front page. Not that it will make any difference, but can I appeal to people to avoid these rags who are written by moral vacuums with no concern for the trauma suffered by everyone involved.

Finally, after such an awful incident, anyone who is seriously complaining about the one euro increase in wine needs to look at things in perspective

RIP and my sincere sympathies to anyone affected by this.

stoneill

The poor man to lose his life that way - the unfortunate driver, the passengers and witnesses. Whenever I read a story about a sudden tragic death, road accident victims etc. I always think that this person, got up that morning heedless that this was their last day, kissed the wife goodbye, probably said see you later or call you later, said love you for the last time and went out the door.
The loss of a life is tragic on so many levels, and there is a certain truth to living life as if it is your last day.

humberklog

pithater1 wrote: »

I highly doubt it. Used to cycle down Dame Street daily and the buses wizz right past you

Simple physics would dictate on the speed at that particular right angled left hand turn. The bus would be doing well under 30kph at that point. It could only be.

Calibos

Looks like the pun masters that usually pollute threads like this (Jaysus lighten up, I'm only having a laugh, no one asked you to read the thread etc etc) are instead busy uploading camera phone footage to social media (Jaysus, chill out, its not like I pushed him etc etc) More and more people don't even know what the word empathy means these days, never mind experience that emotion.

RIP and God Love any of the witnesses. I witnessed a dog being run over once that still haunts me. I simply can't imagine what those who witness events like these involving another human being are feeling right now.

LUPE

SimonTemplar wrote: »

Provide a link or cop onto yourself.

Is that aimed at me or Dublin Bus?

The Aussie

LUPE wrote: »

Is that aimed at me or Dublin Bus?

It's common practice to provide a link to stories as to not cause any confusion or misunderstanding.

Stories like this make you realise how cheap life is to some and how precious it is to others.

RIP.

Aciiiiiiiiiiid

LUPE wrote: »

No buses running tomorrow out of respect for all involved.

inappropriate thread to be taking the piss, if you're genuine provide a source or link to that information

Chuck Stone

There'll be a lot of people going to bed tonight completely traumatised having been eye-witness to such horror.

paddy147

LUPE wrote: »

Is that aimed at me or Dublin Bus?

Yes it is.......Provide a Link to your claim or else remove your post and get lost.