A quick question re the Big Bang

TheNap

Im not religious..I wouldnt really class myself as an Athiest either ..An Athiest would ask a believer of God 'Who created God' and they would have no logical explanation . The Athiest would look down on the Religious person as being quite stupid to have such beliefs . Now if someone told me all about the Big Bang . I could ask who created such and such a thing until there is no logical explanation .. Why dont people just accept there is no logical explanation for why we are here and allow people to have their own beliefs without having to try belittle them.. Mini rant over !!

oldrnwisr

TheNap wrote: »

Im not religious..I wouldnt really class myself as an Athiest either ..An Athiest would ask a believer of God 'Who created God' and they would have no logical explanation . The Athiest would look down on the Religious person as being quite stupid to have such beliefs . Now if someone told me all about the Big Bang . I could ask who created such and such a thing until there is no logical explanation .. Why dont people just accept there is no logical explanation for why we are here and allow people to have their own beliefs without having to try belittle them.. Mini rant over !!

The thing about the Big Bang is that our current scientific understanding hasn't progressed to the point that we can describe the events at the Big Bang. Our current physics breaks down at Planck time (~10^-43 seconds) after the big bang. Until we have a quantum theory of gravity we will have a gap in our knowledge. This means that the only honest answer to questions like what created the big bang is I don't know.

Therein lies the difference between atheists and believers. An atheist is perfectly happy to say I don't know whereas a believer decides to fill the gap in our knowledge by labelling it God.

Put simply we have several different theories to explain what could have caused the big bang. However it is currently unknown when or if we will ever be able to gather evidence to suggest which if any theory is correct. So rather than claiming to know what nobody can possibly know, the only rational response is atheism (IMHO).

robindch

TheNap wrote: »

An Athiest would ask a believer of God 'Who created God' and they would have no logical explanation

That's not the issue here.

When arguing about the "beginning" of the universe, religious people will say "everything needs a cause", but then claim that their particular deity doesn't need one. In a debate, applying a rule to other people that one isn't prepared to apply to oneself isn't just silly, but it's a little bit dishonest too and it's not "belittling" people to point that out.

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doctoremma

TheNap wrote: »

The Athiest would look down on the Religious person as being quite stupid to have such beliefs.

I don't necessarily think any religious person is stupid, I think that a single particular belief they hold is stupid.

And I'm sure many people can identify beliefs that I hold that they consider stupid.

TheNap wrote: »

I could ask who created such and such a thing until there is no logical explanation ..

Turtles all the way down?

TheNap

I think the concept of Religion that some people believe in is nonsense.I believe in The Bing Bang.. 'Turtles all the way down' theory still make me believe that there is still a greater being. Everything had to be created from somewhere right ?Does this make me Religious person or an Athiest ? I never really know what to say when asked

oldrnwisr

TheNap wrote: »

I believe in The Bing Bang.. 'Turtles all the way down' theory still make me believe that there is still a greater being.

Why? (particularly the bold section)

TheNap wrote: »

Everything had to be created from somewhere right ?

In a word, no.

Naz_st

TheNap wrote: »

An Athiest would ask a believer of God 'Who created God'

Most atheists I know wouldn't ask anyone anything about religion. They are usually the ones asked, by the religious.

The Athiest would look down on the Religious person as being quite stupid to have such beliefs.

Not really. I wouldn't class Deism (which is what you seem to be referring) as "stupid". Unnecessary maybe. But that's not the "religious" belief in and of itself (I know plenty of non-religious deists). Some specific beliefs though, like by munching on a wafer in a church on a Sunday morning you are cannibalising the flesh of a 2000 year old dead man who was also his own father, can only be seen as silly surely? I mean, most catholics don't even believe that!

Now if someone told me all about the Big Bang . I could ask who created such and such a thing until there is no logical explanation

"We don't know (yet)" is always a reasonable answer, no?

Why dont people just accept there is no logical explanation for why we are here and allow people to have their own beliefs without having to try belittle them..

Due to the Catholic church controlling >90% of schools in this country, a lot of atheists are forced to send their kids to religious schools (and baptise their kids just to get in). If religion in general and Catholicism in particular weren't so pervasive in society (to the detriment of the rights of the non-religious), I doubt you'd hear atheists talk much about their beliefs at all.

TheNap

TheNap wrote: »

I think the concept of Religion that some people believe in is nonsense.I believe in The Bing Bang.. 'Turtles all the way down' theory still make me believe that there is still a greater being. Everything had to be created from somewhere right ?Does this make me Religious person or an Athiest ? I never really know what to say when asked

And this just begs the question that you don't like.
If everything had to be created from somewhere, who or what created the creator which you are positing? Can some things exist without being created?

And what exactly are you basing your insistence that everything must be created on? How do you know this?

TheNap

King Mob wrote: »

And this just begs the question that you don't like.
If everything had to be created from somewhere, who or what created the creator which you are positing? Can some things exist without being created?

And what exactly are you basing your insistence that everything must be created on? How do you know this?

Again please excuse my ignorance. But if something wasnt created , where did it come from ?

Knasher

TheNap wrote: »

I think the concept of Religion that some people believe in is nonsense.I believe in The Bing Bang.. 'Turtles all the way down' theory still make me believe that there is still a greater being. Everything had to be created from somewhere right ?Does this make me Religious person or an Athiest ? I never really know what to say when asked

That would probably make you a Deist.

TheNap

TheNap wrote: »

Again please excuse my ignorance. But if something wasnt created , where did it come from ?

Why not from nothing? Why not arising spontaneously? Why not from a continuous and infinite cycle? Why can't it have always existed in some sense?

Again, why are you assuming everything must have a cause?

And if everything must have a cause, what caused the creator you are positing?
Is he able to exist without a cause?

EuropeanSon

TheNap wrote: »

Again please excuse my ignorance. But if something wasnt created , where did it come from ?

I think the idea is that it didn't "come from" anything, but was "always" there, the quotation marks being used to indicate the inherent vagueness of those terms.

Knasher

TheNap wrote: »

Again please excuse my ignorance. But if something wasnt created , where did it come from ?

My money is on quantum vacuum fluctuations

TheNap

King Mob wrote: »

Why not from nothing? Why not arising spontaneously? Why not from a continuous and infinite cycle? Why can't it have always existed in some sense?

Again, why are you assuming everything must have a cause?

And if everything must have a cause, what caused the creator you are positing?
Is he able to exist without a cause?

I really dont know why you're getting so worked up over this.. But surely this argument could be used by Catholics too ?

TheNap

EuropeanSon wrote: »

I think the idea is that it didn't "come from" anything, but was "always" there, the quotation marks being used to indicate the inherent vagueness of those terms.

Yeah have to agree with you there

TheNap

TheNap wrote: »

I really dont know why you're getting so worked up over this..

I'm not getting worked up over anything. I'm just pointing out the very obvious fact that your central assertion is unsupportable therefore your entire argument is invalid.

Again, why are you assuming that everything must have a cause and why is the creator exempt from that rule?

TheNap wrote: »

But surely this argument could be used by Catholics too ?

Not really as the only version of the argument they can use is the self contradictory one.
All of the points I used can apply to the big bang. So throwing God in as an explanation is unnecessary.
Therefore to exclude a naturalistic explanation, catholics and folks like yourself must add the completely arbitrary and unfounded insistence that all things need a cause. Which then of course contradicts itself if you are also claiming that god exists without a cause.

So to effectively wedge god in as an explanation you must explain first how you know that everything needs a cause (which you can't) and then explain how God can violate that rule without the same being true for a naturalistic explanation (which again, you can't).

TheNap

As i said i dont really have strong views either way.. However points you are making can be used in counter arguments thats all im trying to say .You said what does everything need to have been created and why cant it always have been there ? My response was to say Catholics could use this logic when referring to 'God'.

TheNap

I'm not getting worked up over anything. I'm just pointing out the very obvious fact that your central assertion is unsupportable therefore your entire argument is invalid..............................................................Im pretty sure saying not everything has to be created and could just be there is unsupportable too . Does this mean your assertion is also invalid ?

TheNap

TheNap wrote: »

As i said i dont really have strong views either way.. However points you are making can be used in counter arguments thats all im trying to say .You said what does everything need to have been created and why cant it always have been there ? My response was to say Catholics could use this logic when referring to 'God'.

And as I explained they can't.

If they are claiming that God can exist without a cause, then the next question is: why does this not apply to the universe?
If the universe can exist without the need for a cause, then why do we need God as part of the explanation?

This is why you are trying to argue for the unsupported and arbitrary rule that everything must have a cause (except god), because you can't provide answers to those questions.

TheNap wrote: »

Im pretty sure saying not everything has to be created and could just be there is unsupportable too . Does this mean your assertion is also invalid ?

But I'm not making that claim. I do not have enough information to conclude whether everything needs a cause or the reverse. It's possible that every could require a cause, but I have yet to see anything to make me think that is true. And since you are trying the "well so are you" tactic instead of backing up the assertion, I doubt you'll be providing anything convincing.

nozzferrahhtoo

TheNap wrote: »

The Athiest would look down on the Religious person as being quite stupid to have such beliefs

I am quite sure some do but not all. Not even most in my experience anyway, though that is purely anecdotal. People like me recognize a difference between "X is stupid" and "The idea X holds is stupid". For example I recognize that Newton was one of the most intelligent people our species has ever produced. He subscribed to some seriously stupid and bizarre ideas though.

I do not judge the people who hold beliefs in other words, just the beliefs themselves.

TheNap wrote: »

Why dont people just accept there is no logical explanation for why we are here and allow people to have their own beliefs without having to try belittle them.. Mini rant over !!

We are all human and we are all in a universe the existence of which currently has no known explanation. That is really all we know to be true here.

What we have is many scientists trying to find an explanation. We also have many theists declaring we already have one.

My issue with the latter group is that their claims... such as the existence of god.... are entirely unsubstantiated.

Now I with you to a point, I have no care in the world about what people believe. If they kept their personal faith personal and simply believed it they would have no issues with me. If they want to think there is a god and that it explains the universe so be it.

The problem with the live and let live attitude however is that these beliefs do not simply stop there as personal faith but spill out into society and into our halls of power, education, ethics and science. THERE I will not live and let live and will resist such ideas as I will resist all unsubstantiated claims that enter those arena.

TheNap

King Mob wrote: »

And as I explained they can't.

If they are claiming that God can exist without a cause, then the next question is: why does this not apply to the universe?
If the universe can exist without the need for a cause, then why do we need God as part of the explanation?

This is why you are trying to argue for the unsupported and arbitrary rule that everything must have a cause (except god), because you can't provide answers to those questions.

Because they are their beliefs ? They are entitled to them... Like you are with yours. Both cant be proven like my original point

TheNap

TheNap wrote: »

Because they are their beliefs ? They are entitled to them... Like you are with yours.

Yes, they are beliefs. But they are inconsistent, illogical, self contradictory and dishonest.
Am I not allowed to express my supportable opinion on this?

And can I take it since you didn't address the questions that you cannot provide answers to them?
If this is the case, why then do you think that a creator is required?

TheNap wrote: »

Both cant be proven like my original point

Again, this is another unsupported assertion.
They can't be proven yet.

The other important distinction is my position makes sense and does not lead into logical holes.

TheNap

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

I am quite sure some do but not all. Not even most in my experience anyway, though that is purely anecdotal. People like me recognize a difference between "X is stupid" and "The idea X holds is stupid". For example I recognize that Newton was one of the most intelligent people our species has ever produced. He subscribed to some seriously stupid and bizarre ideas though.

I do not judge the people who hold beliefs in other words, just the beliefs themselves.



We are all human and we are all in a universe the existence of which currently has no known explanation. That is really all we know to be true here.

What we have is many scientists trying to find an explanation. We also have many theists declaring we already have one.

My issue with the latter group is that their claims... such as the existence of god.... are entirely unsubstantiated.

Now I with you to a point, I have no care in the world about what people believe. If they kept their personal faith personal and simply believed it they would have no issues with me. If they want to think there is a god and that it explains the universe so be it.

The problem with the live and let live attitude however is that these beliefs do not simply stop there as personal faith but spill out into society and into our halls of power, education, ethics and science. THERE I will not live and let live and will resist such ideas as I will resist all unsubstantiated claims that enter those arena.

Nicely put

TheNap

Yes Religion is nonsense i agree with you . Belief in a higher being not so much though imo .One question . You are quick to point to unsupportable beliefs .Instead of asking me why something has to be created, why dont you ask yourself why something doesnt have to be created.And is your answer unsupportable ?

Scioch

TheNap wrote: »

Why dont people just accept there is no logical explanation for why we are here and allow people to have their own beliefs without having to try belittle them.. Mini rant over !!

People do accept there is no logical explanation, they are called atheists. We are all free to believe what we want but you cannot believe something for no reason and expect other people to respect that belief. They might respect your right to believe it but they will never respect the belief itself.

And in the case of so many religions which exert influence on certain aspects of society those beliefs will be scrutinised and ridiculed as they go beyond just a personal belief. If people want to believe nonsense then they can, but that doesnt mean that nonsense should be given credence by others.

Tar.Aldarion

oldrnwisr wrote: »

The thing about the Big Bang is that our current scientific understanding hasn't progressed to the point that we can describe the events at the Big Bang. Our current physics breaks down at Planck time (~10^-43 seconds) after the big bang. Until we have a quantum theory of gravity we will have a gap in our knowledge. This means that the only honest answer to questions like what created the big bang is I don't know.

Something people don't usually realise is that the big bang lasted 400, 000 years and that is when we see back to.

Anyway OP, There wasn't 'nothing' before the Big Bang, because there wasn't any before. Time is a property of our universe, a dimension. So you can't say anything was created, because that requires a change of state, when there was none.

To borrow an analogy. Imagine that you want to make a long trip and decide to always go north. It's easy: you know how to use a compass, you just have to follow this direction. But then you reach the North Pole. Some people have warned you that the concept of "north" is a bit singular there. Your compass isn't indicating anything useful anymore. You can ask the friendly polar bear there in which direction is north: he will answer that your question is meaningless, that all directions are south, north ceases to exist at this point.
Here it's the same thing, except north is "past", south is "future", the Earth is spacetime and there are no polar bears.

TheNap

TheNap wrote: »

Yes Religion is nonsense i agree with you . Belief in a higher being not so much though imo .

But why, I've pointed to several questions that you cannot answer.
The universe can exist without a cause as much as god can and you cannot explain why this can't be so.
So why believe in a creator when there is no evidence or need of him to explain anything?

TheNap wrote: »

One question . You are quick to point to unsupportable beliefs .Instead of asking me why something has to be created,

Again, a question you can't answer.

TheNap wrote: »

why dont you ask yourself why something doesnt have to be created.And is your answer unsupportable ?

And again, I've explained this in a previous point.
The are other possible ways things can exist without being caused (even with the vague definitions of the words). So unless you can show that these other possibilities are not possible, they will continued to be considered possible.
And until you support your insistence that everything must have a cause, it's going to remain unsupported.

nozzferrahhtoo

TheNap wrote: »

Instead of asking me why something has to be created, why dont you ask yourself why something doesnt have to be created.And is your answer unsupportable ?

I am not sure the point the user(s) were making is that one answer is supportable while the other one is not.

I think the issue for many here is that when it comes to the conversation about "Big Bang" and "First Cause" that there seems to be an inherent assumption our species make that "nothing" is the default and hence all the "something" is what must be explained.

But is that assumption safe? Why do we so naturally assume "nothing" is the default state? Why is it not just as valid to consider "something" as being the default and hence it is why there should be "nothing" that requires the explanation.

It brings me back to my first post above.... all we really know is that we are in a universe. How and why is still an open question and we should not make any assumptions while trying to answer those questions. Whether "all this" comes from nothing somehow or an eternal something... that is what we have to find out.

What we certainly can not do (as one user already pointed out to you) is assume that everything must come from something and then invent a "god" and declare by fiat that this god terminates that infinite regress and is magically immune to the requirement we are applying to everyone else.

The simply fact is that whatever the explanation for our universe and our presence in it... there is simply no arguments, data, evidences or reasoning on offer AT ALL to lend even a modicum of credence to the idea that the answer is a non human intelligence which designed and then produced the universe.

That some people believe it anyway in the face of the lack of ANYTHING to lend it credence remains an intriguing mystery.

Sarky

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

For example I recognize that Newton was one of the most intelligent people our species has ever produced. He subscribed to some seriously stupid and bizarre ideas though.

Dude was crazy, yo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton's_occult_studies

Bannasidhe

Sarky wrote: »

Dude was crazy, yo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton's_occult_studies

Brilliant but bat**** crazy.

Penn

Knasher wrote: »

My money is on quantum vacuum fluctuations

Please, it's obviously Bipolar Magnetic Reversal Theory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FyUGusdIwE

TheNap

The simply fact is that whatever the explanation for our universe and our presence in it... there is simply no arguments, data, evidences or reasoning on offer AT ALL to lend even a modicum of credence to the idea that the answer is a non human intelligence which designed and then produced the universe.

That some people believe it anyway in the face of the lack of ANYTHING to lend it credence remains an intriguing mystery


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Again its a belief some people have ( not me ) that they're entitled to . I just dont know why it annoys people so much . Maybe if you had the answer for these people i would understand but you dont, nobody does. Maybe its because the greatest scientists in the world cant figure it out that make people believe in a 'god'.


PM me when you have the answer , until then i will keep an open mind one way or the other ..

ShooterSF

TheNap wrote: »

I really dont know why you're getting so worked up over this.. But surely this argument could be used by Catholics too ?

Catholics though use both arguments simultaneously without seeing the hypocrisy of it (or ignoring it) and all atheists do is point out the problem with their argument. They argue everything needs a creator so therefore the Universe needed a creator but then switch mid sentence and say god has always existed and needs no creator. Then on top of that they without reason slot THEIR god in as the one that created the universe while ignoring every other religion's claims.

Now take most atheists' belief on how the universe came into existence, "I don't know". Seems more rational to me.

TheNap

ShooterSF wrote: »

Catholics though use both arguments simultaneously without seeing the hypocrisy of it (or ignoring it) and all atheists do is point out the problem with their argument. They argue everything needs a creator so therefore the Universe needed a creator but then switch mid sentence and say god has always existed and needs no creator. Then on top of that they without reason slot THEIR god in as the one that created the universe while ignoring every other religion's claims.

Now take most atheists' belief on how the universe came into existence, "I don't know". Seems more rational to me.

Me too i think Religion is nonsenseI dont know would be the perfect answer.Thats why i keep an open mind

Turtwig

TheNap wrote: »

Me too i think Religion is nonsenseI dont know would be the perfect answer.Thats why i keep an open mind

Keeping an open mind is good. Just don't let your brain fall out on in the process!

nozzferrahhtoo

TheNap wrote: »

Again its a belief some people have ( not me ) that they're entitled to . I just dont know why it annoys people so much .

You would have to ask someone who is annoyed by it then. As I pointed out it does not bother me what people believe. It does however bother me what people claim to be true in our public halls of power, education, science and so forth. If one brings claims into such arenas then one should expect people to call you on them.

TheNap wrote: »

Maybe if you had the answer for these people i would understand but you dont, nobody does.

I am not sure that is a valid critique at all. In the realm of ideas and the discourse that builds around them the position of arguing against one is just as valid as the position of arguing for one. There is no onus on a person debunking claim X to present a counter claim Y.

Whole swaths of our society are built around that fact. For example when proving a murder suspect innocent one does not have to provide a counter claim of who is guilty. It is enough to prove the person innocent.

This notion, whether made implicitly or explicitly, that one should not attack or debunk a claim unless one has a better counter claim to replace it with is quite common in the rebuttals from theists but it is an entirely false requirement.

TheNap wrote: »

Maybe its because the greatest scientists in the world cant figure it out that make people believe in a 'god'.

I think this is one of a LONG list of things that cause people to believe in god. I think there are many many reasons for it any any one believer can be due to any one or more of that list.

But yes I think this is ONE of the reasons indeed. Many humans are built in such a way that they appear to prefer ANY answer to having no answer at all. No matter how unsubstantiated or even ridiculous the "any" answer is. So yes... wherever you have an open as yet unanswered question you will have frauds and charlatans gravitating in order to insert their own fantasies into the space provided. Hence the well known atheist V theist phrase "The God of the Gaps".

TheNap wrote: »

PM me when you have the answer , until then i will keep an open mind one way or the other ..

It does not matter how "open" one keeps ones mind. If a claim is not just slightly but ENTIRELY unsubstantiated then that is not going to change. Whether your open mindedness is 1/10 or 10/10 substantiation does not magically appear.

To be "open minded" in other words means simply being willing to change your mind in the face of new and compelling evidence. Being "open minded" has absolutely no effect AT ALL therefore is no evidence is being presented at all.

ShooterSF

TheNap wrote: »

Me too i think Religion is nonsenseI dont know would be the perfect answer.Thats why i keep an open mind

Like most atheists then? None of us have a closed mind on the cause of the universe as no argument can be demonstrated well enough. Most atheists will answer with "I don't know". That's as open a mind as you can have. If you want to cajole people with close minds you should be in the Christian or Islam forum. They KNOW how the universe came into existence.

Now that doesn't mean we're not going to point out logical flaws in hypotheses put forth by people whether they are religious ones or not. That is all part of the search for the truth.

Galvasean

ShooterSF wrote: »

Like most atheists then? None of us have a closed mind on the cause of the universe as no argument can be demonstrated well enough.

On that point, it might be worth mentioning, in case the OP has been hearing of and basing view on different definitions of the word, that atheism is a lack of belief in God as opposed to knowing God doesn't exist. So you can be completely in the "I don't know" camp and very much open minded to the idea of a God existing and still technically be an atheist.

Zombrex

TheNap wrote: »

Yes Religion is nonsense i agree with you . Belief in a higher being not so much though imo

Belief in a high being based on the idea that we need something to explain the non-intelligent universe is illogical.

Or to put it another way, if you find it easy to imagine that an all powerful intelligence, capable of creating the universe, can just exist then it should be in fact easier to simply imagine the universe just exists, since by definition any being capable of constructing and organizing the universe would be more complex and more unlikely than the universe itself.

TheNap

ShooterSF wrote: »

Like most atheists then? None of us have a closed mind on the cause of the universe as no argument can be demonstrated well enough. Most atheists will answer with "I don't know". That's as open a mind as you can have. If you want to cajole people with close minds you should be in the Christian or Islam forum. They KNOW how the universe came into existence.

Now that doesn't mean we're not going to point out logical flaws in hypotheses put forth by people whether they are religious ones or not. That is all part of the search for the truth.

Why would i go to a Christian or Islam forum ? When did i mention i wanted to cajole peoples mind ? As i said i am not Religious ..Nor would i be strictly Athiest.I have an open mind . And thats the way it will stay

oldrnwisr

TheNap wrote: »

Why would i go to a Christian or Islam forum ? When did i mention i wanted to cajole peoples mind ? As i said i am not Religious ..Nor would i be strictly Athiest.I have an open mind . And thats the way it will stay

How would being an atheist prevent you from having an open mind?

TheNap

oldrnwisr wrote: »

How would being an atheist prevent you from having an open mind?

If you look closely you will see a full stop between them sentences as they were 2 seperate points about myself. I never said you cant be an Athiest and have an open mind.

Galvasean

Galvasean wrote: »

. So you can be completely in the "I don't know" camp and very much open minded to the idea of a God existing and still technically be an atheist.

TheNap wrote: »

.Nor would i be strictly Athiest.I have an open mind .

oldrnwisr wrote: »

How would being an atheist prevent you from having an open mind?

Why nobody listen to Galvasean?

ShooterSF

TheNap wrote: »

Why would i go to a Christian or Islam forum ? When did i mention i wanted to cajole peoples mind ? As i said i am not Religious ..Nor would i be strictly Athiest.I have an open mind . And thats the way it will stay

Because you seem to have a problem with people having a closed mind and yet you are on the one forum between the 3 where people are not claiming to know how the universe did or didn't come into existence.

Also if you are not an atheist are you a theist?

TheNap

Galvasean wrote: »

Why nobody listen to Galvasean?

I did . He hit the nail on the head

ShooterSF

TheNap wrote: »

I did . He hit the nail on the head

So this stems from a misunderstanding of the term "atheist" on your part?

oldrnwisr

TheNap wrote: »

If you look closely you will see a full stop between them sentences as they were 2 seperate points about myself. I never said you cant be an Athiest and have an open mind.

If that's the case then what is it about the term atheist that you would rather distance yourself from?

TheNap

ShooterSF wrote: »

Because you seem to have a problem with people having a closed mind and yet you are on the one forum between the 3 where people are not claiming to know how the universe did or didn't come into existence.

Also if you are not an atheist are you a theist?

I dont know either . I have already said Religion is nonsense why would i post on their forum ?

TheNap

ShooterSF wrote: »

So this stems from a misunderstanding of the term "atheist" on your part?

Well considering i stated my beliefs in a previous comment and asked what category i would fall into did it not occur to you i didnt have a great understanding when it came to the subject ? By the by i was told i wasnt Athiest . I'll accept the fact that i am now thanks

Bannasidhe

TheNap wrote: »

Well considering i stated my beliefs in a previous comment and asked what category i would fall into did it not occur to you i didnt have a great understanding when it came to the subject ? By the by i was told i wasnt Athiest . I'll accept the fact that i am now thanks

Don't believe there is a God/are Gods = Atheist. Simple as that.

Dades

Q: What does being an atheist imply about your beliefs on the origin of the universe?

A: Simply that it wasn't created by a god as described by any religion.

Nothing more.