parking at st lukes

foxcoverteddy

apparently, I have been told that a new parking regime is in force within the hospital, and are clamping any cars n ot parked in the official car park, it cost 100 euro to get unclamped and even that rises to 130 after 8pm.
Also if you are not properly parked in the car park,i.e. over the next bay you will be clamped.
Probably the same firm as in waterford.
I am surprised there is very little information shown when drivin g into the hospital and that none of any wording is in "Irish" or Polish or Latvian.
The distance of the car park from the hospital is major for old people, the only way they can avoid walking is to get someone to drop them off.
Given there is no covered walkway to the car park, I presume in very cold weather we shall see old people struck down by hypothermia between the car park and out patients.
Perhaps someone could arrange share a zimmer frame so that at least they can huddle together for warmth.
Someone said they have seen old ones trying to thumb a lift from the car park, apparently to no avail.
By the way did our Phil have to pay parking charges when he came to pose with a shovel?

ft9

Park across the road in the hotel, or in the Sycamores. The walk is about the same distance as from the car park.

road_high

ft9 wrote: »

Park across the road in the hotel, or in the Sycamores. The walk is about the same distance as from the car park.

Signs up in sycamores saying no hospital parking. I believe the residents go mad, understandably...dunno about hotel. Doubt they'd be too thrilled unless you're a resident! Personally feel the charges are very high for parking and I view them almost as state extortion. Cheaper to park in city centre which isn't right. How much is st Luke's? Was €3 ten years ago last time I used it.

Cabaal

mfitzy wrote: »

Signs up in sycamores saying no hospital parking. I believe the residents go mad, understandably...

Certainly is, if I lived there I'd be rightly pissed with people parking and then off they go to the hospital.

Cheaper to park in city centre which isn't right. How much is st Luke's? Was €3 ten years ago last time I used it.

4euro last I parked in it two months back, but thats for the day so it would be cheaper then parking in many places in the rest of the city for the day.

jprboy

mfitzy wrote: »

Signs up in sycamores saying no hospital parking. I believe the residents go mad, understandably...dunno about hotel. Doubt they'd be too thrilled unless you're a resident! .....

Methinks Basil would not be too happy..... I'm recalling that episode where he beat his car with a tree branch....

Could be an opportunity for the "hotel" too. There's nearly always plenty of available parking there so why not offer a reduced rate?

Dozen Wicked Words

If you have to go in and out a few times throughout the day you can ask at the security hut and they will give you a ticket that lasts all day to get in and out.(well they did a couple of weeks back, presumably they still do).

Main problem now, is staff park in that car park too, so all the spaces nearer to the hospital are taken by 8 in the morning.

dzer2

All moneys collected leave the country

road_high

dzer2 wrote: »

All moneys collected leave the country

How so? I'd imagine this is a HSE cash cow/stealth tax?

foxcoverteddy

Is this another can of worms, why are the residents of the sycamores treated differently to anyone else, except perhaps castle gardens.
Nobody cares one iowta who parks outside their house in places like st fiarces place, or around nowlan park.
f course it is a pain in the neck to have a street lined with cars, so where do the god people of the sycamores park their cars when they go out, hopefuly never outside someone elses house.
Having said al that the fact that the car park in st lukes may not now be able to take all the vehicles wanting to use it, where does one park without geting clamped?
Parking on the grass is no longer an option, so back to the sycamores, is the council sign legal in that it forbids others from parking?
I would not use the hotel, it is private after all, so what is the answer?

hi5

Wheres the justification in paying at all, its a public hospital payed for by tax payers. Nobody really wants to be at a hospital, either patient or visitor.
A real case of adding insult to injury.
More money for the HSE to squander.

redtelephone

dzer2 wrote: »

All moneys collected leave the country

If that's the case it's nothing short of a disgrace.

Be well and win

dooferoaks wrote: »

If you have to go in and out a few times throughout the day you can ask at the security hut and they will give you a ticket that lasts all day to get in and out.(well they did a couple of weeks back, presumably they still do).

Main problem now, is staff park in that car park too, so all the spaces nearer to the hospital are taken by 8 in the morning.

I've done the same in the past as well, mind you the charges in Kilkenny are much cheaper then in Cork and Dublin, up to €4 an hour in Cork Regional

Bugs me in Kilkenny that the staff carpark is closer then the "customer's" car park.

Dozen Wicked Words

Be well and win wrote: »

I've done the same in the past as well, mind you the charges in Kilkenny are much cheaper then in Cork and Dublin, up to €4 an hour in Cork Regional

Bugs me in Kilkenny that the staff carpark is closer then the "customer's" car park.

There is no staff car park anymore, big Phil did the ceremonial shovelling for the new A and E, site of where the old staff car park was.

dzer2

mfitzy wrote: »

How so? I'd imagine this is a HSE cash cow/stealth tax?

Car park was developed by an English company and they collect the money from machines under the contract that was signed at the time think it runs for 20 years. Same as the m50 toll bridge the state never benefits from it. Its the same for most of the hospitals around the country.

road_high

dzer2 wrote: »

Car park was developed by an English company and they collect the money from machines under the contract that was signed at the time think it runs for 20 years. Same as the m50 toll bridge the state never benefits from it. Its the same for most of the hospitals around the country.

Christ....is that defo true? What idiot would sign a contract like that? A bloody car park in fairnress, not the most expensive thing to develop ever.

dzer2

mfitzy wrote: »

Christ....is that defo true? What idiot would sign a contract like that? A bloody car park in fairnress, not the most expensive thing to develop ever.

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We gave away our gas and our soverignty jasus a car park is only a tiny yoke. I had a price in for the development but was over looked as there was no management company to look after it when it was finished and I had no track record of property management.

road_high

dzer2 wrote: »

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We gave away our gas and our soverignty jasus a car park is only a tiny yoke. I had a price in for the development but was over looked as there was no management company to look after it when it was finished and I had no track record of property management.

Yea such a pity Irish and local guys often loose out on these public tenders sometimes.

foxcoverteddy

Okay guy's isn't it time to say enough is enough, anyone who signed a long term contract for an fcuking car park must be a loser. Perhaps it was the same guy who ios giving our money to the bond holders. Protest now

hi5

dzer2 wrote: »

Car park was developed by an English company and they collect the money from machines under the contract that was signed at the time think it runs for 20 years. Same as the m50 toll bridge the state never benefits from it. Its the same for most of the hospitals around the country.

Thats unbelivable, the country's on its knees, the hundreds of thousands on the dole and they give the work to an English company, they must be laughing their holes off at us over there:mad:
How much managment does a car park need FFS?
In France they tender out everything too, then give the job to a French company.Here in Ireland we're so far up Europes arse that we're prepared to sarcrifice our own for a pat on the head.

hi5

dzer2 wrote: »

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We gave away our gas and our soverignty jasus a car park is only a tiny yoke. I had a price in for the development but was over looked as there was no management company to look after it when it was finished and I had no track record of property management.

And as for track records, I'd prefer to have no track record at all than the track records that most of the movers and shakers have in this country, whether they be banks, politicians, HSE or whoever, every twenty years or so they bankrupt the country.

Silverscott

Simple just dont use the car park.
I wouldnt give them the money.
Park at the sycamores ,James park, or the hotel.

foxcoverteddy

Hold yer horses for a moment, apparently your 4 euro does go to the hospital, it is the clamping money which goes out of the country, so I am told, I cannot confirm one way or the other, but the clamping firm is from the North.
This might not sit well with some but as far as I am concerned it is the UK, it is not our country.
as one of you said even if it was tendered we should give it to one of our own and fcuk the european ruling, isn't the new school another mishandling.
Unless of course it is easier with brown envelopes on cross border transactions.
I am quite happy to give the hospital 4 euro, especially when taking the old folk for an appointment.
Hope this helps, anything after the mugging we are getting from the Dail.

dzer2

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Hold yer horses for a moment, apparently your 4 euro does go to the hospital, it is the clamping money which goes out of the country, so I am told, I cannot confirm one way or the other, but the clamping firm is from the North.
This might not sit well with some but as far as I am concerned it is the UK, it is not our country.
as one of you said even if it was tendered we should give it to one of our own and fcuk the european ruling, isn't the new school another mishandling.
Unless of course it is easier with brown envelopes on cross border transactions.
I am quite happy to give the hospital 4 euro, especially when taking the old folk for an appointment.
Hope this helps, anything after the mugging we are getting from the Dail.

The parking is definitely NOT going to the hospital or the HSE

mydogjack

Free parking in the Department of Psychiatry car park to the rear of the hospital. Barrier was broken by a 4x4 and the cost to replace is 3k approx. The amount of €4's lost to persons parking there for free has definitely surpassed 3k by now, so a bit of a no-brainer to replace. The clamping company allows wheelchair sticker/signs to 'set-down' in junction boxes for approx 20 mins and taxis can also avail of this. The €100 release fee is for the first 24 hours with another €100 added if left longer than this. The barrier system has its flaws, so people 'tail-gating' very closely to the vehicle in front can exit for free as the weight sensors feel the weight and allows the barrier to stay up, p.s dont blame me if this somehow fails.:)

allthedoyles

dzer2 wrote: »

The parking is definitely NOT going to the hospital or the HSE

I hope the parking company are employing local Kilkenny people , at least something comes back to the Irish economy .

mydogjack

allthedoyles wrote: »

I hope the parking company are employing local Kilkenny people , at least something comes back to the Irish economy .

Sorry, from Waterford I believe.

Formosa

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

Also if you are not properly parked in the car park,i.e. over the next bay you will be clamped.

Well at least this is progress. It should be applied to every car park in the country, it might stop all the pig-ignorant fvckers that take up two spaces with retarded parking.

first rate

dzer2 wrote: »

The parking is definitely NOT going to the hospital or the HSE

Well it's a lot of money to be spending if it's not going to the hospital or at least something good, especially if you are going in regularly.

Dozen Wicked Words

first rate wrote: »

Well it's a lot of money to be spending if it's not going to the hospital or at least something good, especially if you are going in regularly.

If I might play Devils Advocate



I suppose they would say its because they couldn't afford to pay for the car park themselves so this way they got a new car park without paying for it. There was little to no parking there prior to the new one being built. People would have complained if the hospital were seen to be spending money on tarmac instead of the healthcare side of things. Haven't bridges/toll roads etc. been built in the same way?

first rate

dooferoaks wrote: »

If I might play Devils Advocate



I suppose they would say its because they couldn't afford to pay for the car park themselves so this way they got a new car park without paying for it. There was little to no parking there prior to the new one being built. People would have complained if the hospital were seen to be spending money on tarmac instead of the healthcare side of things. Haven't bridges/toll roads etc. been built in the same way?

Yeah possibly, if that's true then it's kind of understandable.

dzer2

dooferoaks wrote: »

If I might play Devils Advocate



I suppose they would say its because they couldn't afford to pay for the car park themselves so this way they got a new car park without paying for it. There was little to no parking there prior to the new one being built. People would have complained if the hospital were seen to be spending money on tarmac instead of the healthcare side of things. Haven't bridges/toll roads etc. been built in the same way?

Not true was done during the boom time paid for by the HSE:mad:

Dozen Wicked Words

dzer2 wrote: »

Not true was done during the boom time paid for by the HSE:mad:

Well if that's the case it's mad to say the least.

foxcoverteddy

Well it matters not where the money goes or when it was built, just don't get caught parking where you shouldn't, it is a time when money is more use to buying food and pressy's for the kids than giving it to some gob****e because your wheels are over the white line.
When in london a friend parked outside their house, no yellow lines a back street, the wheels of the car where on the brickwork between the road and pavement, three inches at most, guessed right a parking ticket for being on the pavement, I think they qualified for something a slightly bit stronger.
So have a merry christmas and do not give money to clamper's whatever you do. Foxy

Deskjockey

mydogjack wrote: »

The barrier system has its flaws, so people 'tail-gating' very closely to the vehicle in front can exit for free as the weight sensors feel the weight and allows the barrier to stay up, p.s dont blame me if this somehow fails.:)

I would genuinely pay good money to see the face on some tightwad who caused a few hundred euros worth of damage to their car while trying to tailgate behind someone out of the car park just to save 4 euros.

Silverscott

Lidl are doing a special on angle grinders .
I always have mine handy in case.

up for anything

I was in A&E a couple of times on Saturday night/early morning just gone and the first time (12.30am) paid my €4 only to discover the bloody barriers were up when I got to the exit. The second time (5.14am) I checked before I paid and they were still up so it's worthwhile checking. I haven't seen that before. Maybe it was a once off.

dzer2

up for anything wrote: »

I was in A&E a couple of times on Saturday night/early morning just gone and the first time (12.30am) paid my €4 only to discover the bloody barriers were up when I got to the exit. The second time (5.14am) I checked before I paid and they were still up so it's worthwhile checking. I haven't seen that before. Maybe it was a once off.

if you are going in and out a few times there is an office that gives you a specia lticket that allows you unlimited entries to the car park

Dymo

up for anything wrote: »

I was in A&E a couple of times on Saturday night/early morning just gone and the first time (12.30am) paid my €4 only to discover the bloody barriers were up when I got to the exit. The second time (5.14am) I checked before I paid and they were still up so it's worthwhile checking. I haven't seen that before. Maybe it was a once off.

If there's no security guard on duty or can't be in the office they have to let the barrier up in case people have problems paying or the barrier won't take the ticket.

foxcoverteddy

In all fairness why isn't there a time limit on charging, I understand during the day it would to a degree be madness to allow indiscriminate parking, and the pillock who can't manage to keep within the lines of the bay, taking up two spots, as much as I really do not believe in parking charges in hospitals it is a necessary evil, four euro is a bit over the top, not that anyone is going to tell us why they chose that figure.
Yes keep the roads free of parked cars, but have the car park free after the hospital shuts down for the day treatments and the majority of staff have gone home.
There I presume is a board of management who decides such things, but is there normal people on the board or is it made up of the so called professionals?
Is the angle grinder battery powered? Would you need a hoody and scarf doing the barrier? Joking of course it is Christmas.

Bobby Hill

Why can't they have staggered charges like other carparks. 1.50 for an hour wouldn't be such a big deal as most people visiting are only here for less than an hour etc ...

Silverscott

foxcoverteddy wrote: »

In all fairness why isn't there a time limit on charging, I understand during the day it would to a degree be madness to allow indiscriminate parking, and the pillock who can't manage to keep within the lines of the bay, taking up two spots, as much as I really do not believe in parking charges in hospitals it is a necessary evil, four euro is a bit over the top, not that anyone is going to tell us why they chose that figure.
Yes keep the roads free of parked cars, but have the car park free after the hospital shuts down for the day treatments and the majority of staff have gone home.
There I presume is a board of management who decides such things, but is there normal people on the board or is it made up of the so called professionals?
Is the angle grinder battery powered? Would you need a hoody and scarf doing the barrier? Joking of course it is Christmas.

LIke this one.

http://uk.images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?p=battery+powered+angle+grinders&back=http%3A%2F%2Fuk.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%3Fei%3DUTF-8%26p%3Dbattery%2Bpowered%2Bangle%2Bgrinders&w=500&h=358&imgurl=www.power-tools-pro.co.uk%2Fimages%2Fgws18v-li-bosch-angle-grinder-500.jpg&size=23KB&name=gws18v-li-bosch-angle-grinder-500.jpg&rcurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbrooklynian.com%2Fforum%2Fpark-slope%2Fhide-yo-catalytic-converters&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fbrooklynian.com%2Fforum%2Fpark-slope%2Fhide-yo-catalytic-converters&type=&no=1&tt=110&oid=1f84693a50d3ef6f43a90959bcb9bd50&tit=Hide+yo+catalytic+converters%21+%C2%AB+Brooklynian&sigr=12431ng02&sigi=126lg2qjl&sigb=12bn7u6nq&fr=yfp-t-710

foxcoverteddy

Yes man that was great, I'll be down in Woodies within a day or two, has anyone any experience with denver boots and angle grinders, I know they are made of high tensile steel, so how long would it take the angle grinder to go through one.
Hey don't forget it is a criminal act to damage one on the highway, but is st lukes private ground, the legal bit is slightly hazy.
Just having a picture of a clamped car and saying clamping in operation may not be sufficient justification for clamping, there should i think something more substansive, now whether or not you can wreck a denver boot on private property is altogether another matter.
I did see a wheel and a clamp in Park Lane in london, no car just the wheel standing there, on reflection the cost of the tyre and the wheel was more than the fine.
Keep on the right side of the law park nicely and properly, but yopur post was ace, well done. Foxy

Silverscott

The guards wont come unless you damage the clamp.
Its a civil matter between you and the clamper.
There is nothing stopping you from towing your car away or doing anything you want to your car .
Deflate the tyre and when clamper comes tell him he damaged your tyre putting the clamp on it .
Tell him to remove the clamp or you will call the guards to report damage to your car.
What ye think ?
Would it work.
Yeah i know its all hassle but there are some out there who love this stuff.

Captain Havoc

Please don't post illegal practices here.

foxcoverteddy

sorry everyone my fault, christmas excess foxy

mydogjack

How to take off the clamp.....legally of course!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHwKLhIpa94

Silverscott

Ha i know this guy.
This is not the first time he has done this.
It takes a while and not everyone carries around the tools needed.
There is a better video of his

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QkM-dWAXOs

or donegal style
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7A9WseN8uI

first rate

Fair play to this guy ha

trpsarge

Christ....is that defo true? What idiot would sign a contract like that? A bloody car park in fairnress, not the most expensive thing to develop ever.

Incorrect the car park is run by the hospital and the takings are put directly into running the hospital. FOI will clear up any misconceptions,

the cost of building new carparks is prohibitive because of the amount of drainage works now required by planning legislation.

the extension to the current carpark which upgraded the carpark by 150 spaces cost on average €750 per carparking space.

Managed car parking is the future of car parking where the carparks are leased out to specialist companies by the hospitals and the hospitals operate a profit sharing agreement on the tarriffs,Removes the need for maintaince and work on carparks. Average maintainence on barriers , cash machines etc for a hospital St. Lukes size is about 40k per anum.

As for charging for parking you won't get planning permission for any new facility without having appropriate car parking available.

It must be able to fund itself independently of the hospital running costs.

trpsarge

Hey don't forget it is a criminal act to damage one on the highway, but is st lukes private ground, the legal bit is slightly hazy.

Not at all ! Its crystal Clear.

the Clamp is the property of the clamping company , not the hospital you damage it, its criminal damage, they have your car registration, the can come after you for the price of the chain or the lock...if you can get them off.

trpsarge

it is the clamping money which goes out of the country, so I am told, I cannot confirm one way or the other, but the clamping firm is from the North.

The clamping company is APCOA who are based in Dublin and have several HSE and other significant contracts...Clamping is in place in all the other HSE hospitals in the region.

It was awarded after a tender process including a local company.

There is a given set down time of twenty minutes, there is no restriction on disabled parking, and there is reserved parking for persons attending specialist services such as oncology or cardiac rehabilitation.

No cars that have been parked within the terms of the hospital parking policy have been clamped!

Appeals can be placed and are granted in special cases, and will be refunded in a given time.Appeals are made to APCOA, not the hospital as the hospital is not the service provider.

Staff and visitors are subject to the same policy and indeed staff have been clamped for failing to comply.

Persons who abuse the disabled parking areas are subject to immediate clamping.

Feedback from disabled groups and those who require specialist access, including the ambulance services, both private and HSE has been positive.

Clamping only becomes a problem if you are not in compliance with the parking policy!

As for the tariff rate, they were increased in 2010 as VAT had not been included in the fee and the Dept of Finance levied VAT on all carparks etc. so the fee head to be increased. Print the receipt and have a look, the VAT is stated seperately.

Some one asked, how the hospital is managed.

There is a General Manager, a Deputy Manager a Finance officer who manage the running the hospital with input from heads of department clinical and non clinical, they in turn report to a regional manger who oversees a number of hospitals who in turn reports currently to HSE South in Cork.

The St. Lukes web page on the HSE site makes all this available and names the department heads.

Everything down to their desk diaries are accessible by FOI..all you got to do is pay your money and ask the questions.