building regs

andy199

hi was just wondering, im thinking of building a house, is there building regulations ive to follow and also if there is will ive to install a renewable energy such as a wind turbine or solar panels. thank you

daver123

andy199 wrote: »

hi was just wondering, im thinking of building a house, is there building regulations ive to follow and also if there is will ive to install a renewable energy such as a wind turbine or solar panels. thank you

there are building regs there i am not sure what year they are i think 2011, the main thing to do is to get planning permission

sydthebeat

andy199 wrote: »

hi was just wondering, im thinking of building a house,

1. is there building regulations ive to follow and also if there is

2. will ive to install a renewable energy such as a wind turbine or solar panels. thank you

1. yes

The building regulations are very numerous and onerous.

2. yes

Part L of the building regulations deals with energy conservation, and renewable energy provision is a requirement



you NEED a professional to walk you through these steps, so whomever is designing your house should be able to either do what you need or point you to good people who can.

andy199

thanks for your time, so these regulations were brought out in 2011 and all newly constructed houses have to comply with these, am i correct in saying so

daver123

andy199 wrote: »

thanks for your time, so these regulations were brought out in 2011 and all newly constructed houses have to comply with these, am i correct in saying so

once u comply with conditions of planning u can build whatever house u want

Poor Uncle Tom

andy199 wrote: »

thanks for your time, so these regulations were brought out in 2011 and all newly constructed houses have to comply with these, am i correct in saying so

The link above shows all the Technical Guidance Documents which show means of compliance with the Building Regulations. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=74894890 that's also worth a read.

daver123 wrote: »

once u comply with conditions of planning u can build whatever house u want

That's just ridiculous nonsense, there is a legal onus on anyone building a house to build it in compliance with the Building Regulations.

daver123

i built a house so i am telling u now all as u need to comply with is planning conditions that is all the is enforced in this country

daver123

That's just ridiculous nonsense, there is a legal onus on anyone building a house to build it in compliance with the Building Regulations.

how come there are so many bad developments all over the country, is that because people were worried about building regs, cop on there are no proper inspections in this country compared to the uk

beyondpassive

daver123 wrote: »

once u comply with conditions of planning u can build whatever house u want

Not true. Planning control and building control are separate functions of local authorities. It would be unwise not to have a fully worked out renewables and energy efficiency strategy at design stage. The current minimum standard house can use no more than 40% the energy a house built in 2007 would have used, unless you weave low energy into the design from the start, your going to incur unnecessary expense. Try the old 'ah sure it'll be grand' approach and risk mortgage final drawdown not being approved or having the new building control regime take enforcement action.

Poor Uncle Tom

daver123 wrote: »

i built a house so i am telling u now all as u need to comply with is planning conditions that is all the is enforced in this country

I am not disputing that Building Control inspections are lax to a negligent degree in this country, but that doesn't excuse the duty of the house owner to ensure full compliance with the Regulations, under the Building Control Act 1990.

How can you get certification of compliance with Building Regulations if you don't build to them? Ask your solicitor about selling your house without compliance with Building Regulations.

daver123

very true buddy u are wrong i built a house i know what i am talking about

daver123

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

I am not disputing that Building Control inspections are lax to a negligent degree in this country, but that doesn't excuse the duty of the house owner to ensure full compliance with the Regulations, under the Building Control Act 1990.

How can you get certification of compliance with Building Regulations if you don't build to them? Ask your solicitor about selling your house without compliance with Building Regulations.

u get a cert of compliance from your architect based on the the house u built which is subject to planning permissions and conditions attached

Poor Uncle Tom

daver123 wrote: »

u get a cert of compliance from your architect based on the the house u built which is subject to planning permissions and conditions attached

Also subject to Building Regulations buddy.

daver123

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Also subject to Building Regulations buddy.

i have to disagree, how can u possibly defend building regs in ireland when there is absolutely no enforcement, i think u are living in cloud coockoo land

beyondpassive

daver123 wrote: »

u get a cert of compliance from your architect based on the the house u built which is subject to planning permissions and conditions attached

Thats for Planning control. You also need an opinion of compliance with building regulations from your architect for Local Authority Building control.

muffler

daver123 take a chill pill mate and read the forum charter.

Any more posts advising people to build in breach of statutory regulations will have a not so happy ending.

Poor Uncle Tom

daver123 wrote: »

...how can u possibly defend building regs in ireland when there is absolutely no enforcement....

Very nearsighted statement. Building Regulations are just good building practice and it's strange how they have to be forced down peoples throats when they are obviously in place for the benefit of the homeowners.

beyondpassive

daver123 wrote: »

i have to disagree, how can u possibly defend building regs in ireland when there is absolutely no enforcement, i think u are living in cloud coockoo land

Virtually no enforcement to date, but in the last few months some counties are sending officers out to one off's. The new Building Control Amendment Act will be in place by the time schemes currently on the drawing board reach site. Building regs are minimum standards, no why would you build lesser quality than minimum standards?

daver123

muffler wrote: »

daver123 take a chill pill mate and read the forum charter.

Any more posts advising people to build in breach of statutory regulations will have a not so happy ending.

no chill pill reqd i was just giving my experiences

zom

beyondpassive wrote: »

Virtually no enforcement to date, but in the last few months some counties are sending officers out to one off's. The new Building Control Amendment Act will be in place by the time schemes on the drawing board now reach site.

I wonder how much there will be for architecture/planing sake and how much for property record update for "better" taxation?

daver123

look at the residents of priory hall absolute joke how people can defend regs

sydthebeat

andy199 wrote: »

thanks for your time, so these regulations were brought out in 2011 and all newly constructed houses have to comply with these, am i correct in saying so

No.the regulations were first introduced in 1992 and have been updated frequently since then. There are twelve different 'technical guidance documents' which have to be complied with.

Again I would insist that you NEED professional guidance on this.

Poor Uncle Tom

Defending building regulations is not the same as condoning non-compliance with them.

daver123

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

Defending building regulations is not the same as condoning non-compliance with them.

compliance with building regs is not compulsary u need PLANNING PERMISSION to build

Poor Uncle Tom

daver123 wrote: »

compliance with building regs is not compulsary u need PLANNING PERMISSION to build

YES IT IS.

daver123

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

YES IT IS.

how is it compulsary

muffler

daver123 wrote: »

how is it compulsary

Man Utd win today so dont go trying to spoil my happiness now.

You are posting comments about something you know nothing about when you ask silly questions like that. The Building Control Act 1990 and subsequent amendments make it compulsory.

Poor Uncle Tom

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1990/en/act/pub/0003/sec0008.html#sec8

Have a read.

daver123

Building Regulations 2011
Technical Guidance Document L
Conservation of Fuel and Energy - Dwellings
3
Introduction
This document has been published by the
Minister for the Environment, Community and
Local Government under article 7 of the
Building Regulations 1997. It provides
guidance in relation to the application of Part
L of the Second Schedule to the Regulations
as inserted by the Building Regulations (Part
L Amendment) Regulations 2011 (S.I. No.
259 of 2011). The guidance in this document
applies to dwellings, both new and existing.
The guidance in relation to the application of
Part L contained in Technical Guidance
Document L - Conservation of Fuel and
Energy - Buildings other than Dwellings
applies to all other new and existing
buildings.
The document should be read in conjunction
with the Building Regulations 1997-2011 and
other documents published under these
Regulations.
In general, Building Regulations apply to the
construction of new buildings and to
extensions and material alterations to existing
buildings. In addition, certain Parts of the
Regulations, including Part L, apply to
existing buildings where a material change of
use takes place

I have highlighted the word GUIDANCE as a reason for my original post

daver123

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1990/en/act/pub/0003/sec0008.html#sec8

Have a read.

great if it is enforced i agree with it

Poor Uncle Tom

You are confusing Technical Guidance Documents and Building Regulations. TGD's are one possible means of compliance with the Building Regulations and as such are just guidance documents.

daver123

i am going to ask a straight question on a forum where discussion is encouraged - where were all these laws / regs / compliance over the last 20 years when there were so many bad dwellings built?

Poor Uncle Tom

Planning Act in 1963, Building Control Act in 1990, so they are in place for over 20 years.

While there is a percentage of poor quality builds in the country there is a much larger percentage of good quality builds which are in compliance with the Building Regulations.

daver123

i just checked my compliance cert there and it refers to 1990 act, i built 3 year ago

muffler

daver123 wrote: »

i just checked my compliance cert there and it refers to 1990 act, i built 3 year ago

And I issued a similar type of cert last week and signed it under the Statutory Declarations Act 1938 so whats your point?

Poor Uncle Tom

daver123 wrote: »

i just checked my compliance cert there and it refers to 1990 act, i built 3 year ago

Your point?

The Building Regulations are updated at different times, the latest Part L is 2011 as previously mentioned, but all of the Building Regulations together are enforced under the Building Control Act 1990, that doesn't mean the building is constructed to 1990 standards.

daver123

muffler wrote: »

And I issued a similar type of cert last week and signed it under the Statutory Declarations Act 1938 so whats your point?

i couldnt care less what u signed off on my point is i think the 2011 build regs are just there for reading purposes they have absolutely no influence on planning permission as each local authority has there own guidelines

Poor Uncle Tom

daver123 wrote: »

i couldnt care less what u signed off on

That's what I gave you the infraction for, you can have a debate and remain civil.

daver123 wrote: »

my point is i think the 2011 build regs are just there for reading purposes they have absolutely no influence on planning permission as each local authority has there own guidelines

Here you are mixing up planning permission (Planning & Development Act 2000) and the Building Regulations (Building Control Act 1990).

beyondpassive

daver123 wrote: »

i couldnt care less what u signed off on my point is i think the 2011 build regs are just there for reading purposes they have absolutely no influence on planning permission as each local authority has there own guidelines

Daver, great discussion but planning and regs are completely separate processes. Planning control is only concerned with the shape, siting and use of the building and approval is required prior to the build. Building control starts with your commencement notice and finishes with your on completion air test and BER. Although some planning departments ask for a provisional BER at planning application stage and some building control dept's ask for provisional BER at commencement notice application stage, it's not compulsory everywhere. But as the experts here have spelt out numerous times, an opinion on compliance with regs is an essential part of your title deeds

daver123

beyondpassive wrote: »

Daver, great discussion but planning and regs are completely separate processes. Planning control is only concerned with the shape, siting and use of the building and approval is required prior to the build. Building control starts with your commencement notice and finishes with your on completion air test and BER. Although some planning departments ask for a provisional BER at planning application stage and some building control dept's ask for provisional BER at commencement notice application stage, it's not compulsory everywhere. But as the experts here have spelt out numerous times, an opinion on compliance with regs is an essential part of your title deeds

beyondpassive - lets start with building control ( where is the control ) i built my house and nobody inspected or checked anything i live in fingal, why are people advising the OP that u need to comply with building regs, u need to comply with planning permission / conditions

WhatNowForUs?

daver123 wrote: »

beyondpassive - lets start with building control ( where is the control ) i built my house and nobody inspected or checked anything i live in fingal, why are people advising the OP that u need to comply with building regs, u need to comply with planning permission / conditions

I think people are advising the OP that they need to comply with building regulations otherwise you may get another Priory Hall situation.

DOCARCH

daver123 wrote: »

beyondpassive - lets start with building control ( where is the control ) i built my house and nobody inspected or checked anything i live in fingal, why are people advising the OP that u need to comply with building regs, u need to comply with planning permission / conditions

Did you submit a Commencement Notice and/or do you no what that is?

daver123

DOCARCH wrote: »

Did you submit a Commencement Notice and/or do you no what that is?

of course i submitted a commencement notice and i paid all my fees

daver123

my house is fully compliant with the drawings that were submitted with the planning application

muffler

daver123 wrote: »

my house is fully compliant with the drawings that were submitted with the planning application

2 questions:

1. How do you know your house is "fully compliant" with the drawings and/or planning permission?

2. How do you know if your house is compliant with the Building Regulations?

beyondpassive

daver123 wrote: »

beyondpassive - lets start with building control ( where is the control ) i built my house and nobody inspected or checked anything i live in fingal, why are people advising the OP that u need to comply with building regs, u need to comply with planning permission / conditions

It's really a system of self regulation, where your Architect and engineer take on some functions of the inspections. This has been watered down over the years as the risk taken on by the inspectors became uninsurable. Building control should inspect 15% of buildings but they rarely get over about 4%.

Building Control visiting the site 4 times during a build as they do on about 25 % of sites in the UK can be a serious impediment to progress on site and isn't a perfect scenario by any means.

I like your logic but feel its a bit like, breaking every red light where there's not a policeman at the intersection.

daver123

muffler wrote: »

2 questions:

1. How do you know your house is "fully compliant" with the drawings and/or planning permission?

2. How do you know if your house is compliant with the Building Regulations?

A fully qualified architect supervised my build and signed off at 5 stages that is why the house is compliant with the drawings / spec and the conditions of fingal co co planning dept, the compliance cert for the house refers to the 1990 building act which i posted previously.

sinnerboy

Your Architect certified compliance with Building Regulations which as so many others have been saying - is a legal requirement.

If he did not you would not be in your house now.

With respect your posts up to now are informed by you not understanding this.

sinnerboy

No one person or group of persons has a monopoly on knowledge skill or experience and so disagreements can serve a very useful purpose here.

But take heed now - if you continue to post including expressions of contempt or disrespect to any other poster here you will be banned.

andy199

so the TGD have to be followed am i right in sayin that TGD are the building regs? sorry about the question just a bit confused thanks

DOCARCH

andy199 wrote: »

so the TGD have to be followed am i right in sayin that TGD are the building regs? sorry about the question just a bit confused thanks

The TGD are not themselves the Building Regultions but are technical guidance as how you might comply with the Building Regultions - therefore if you do follow the TGD then yes, you should end up complying with the Building Regultions.