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TV Licence {MEGAMERGE}

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    #32
    slimjimmc
    Registered Users Posts: 7,787 ✭✭✭slimjimmc


    roast wrote: »
    Thanks for that, I thought as much.

    On a side note, isn't the TV licence legislation to cover just terrestrial TV? Such as RTE1, 2 etc.
    In the case of cable or satellite, isn't the licencing fee paid to the operator, who in turn forward the funds to each Channel company?
    Or, do you mean that if the sat/cable box has a terrestrial tuner other than the actual cable/sat input, that he would be liable to the fee?

    No, you're mixing up a TV set licence with service subscriptions. A subscription to a service such as UPC or Sky has nothing to do with the TV licence. You still need a TV licence whether you receive a TV broadcast over terrestrial broadcasts (UHF, VHF, MMDS), satellite or cable service.


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    #33
    roast
    Registered Users Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭roast


    slimjimmc wrote: »
    No, you're mixing up a TV set licence with service subscriptions. A subscription to a service such as UPC or Sky has nothing to do with the TV licence. You still need a TV licence whether you receive a TV broadcast over terrestrial broadcasts (UHF, VHF, MMDS), satellite or cable service.

    Ah right, I just thought the TV licence covers UHF and VHF tuning, not others.

    Cheers for the help guys, I tell him now and get him to stop talkin' sh**e. :pac:


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    #34
    Bruthal
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    If he was using the tv only for gaming, and had no other aparatus to do with tv (sky box etc) he would still need a licence. But in the same situation where the tuner has been removed, then he would not.

    An office that uses a tv soley for safety videos for example, would need a licence, removing the tuner though, and the tv becomes a monitor.

    In reality, the tv licence is just a tax, called a tv licence because years ago, having a tv was directly involved with availing of the terrestrial service. Its called a tv licence because it ensures every premises is in the net, or almost every one is. These days, a tv set in the legislation is just about everything associated with a tv.

    It should be interesting during next summer when the analogue terrestrial system is switched off. What then for the office tv which then cant tune in any irish channels, and so technically becomes a monitor.


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    #35
    AisCat
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    Hi,

    I have just received a legal notice to get a TV licence, i would like to have the tuner port removed and not have to buy a licence, can anyone tell me how to do it or where to get it done asap please!


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    #36
    roast
    Registered Users Posts: 2,320 ✭✭✭roast


    AisCat wrote: »
    Hi,

    I have just received a legal notice to get a TV licence, i would like to have the tuner port removed and not have to buy a licence, can anyone tell me how to do it or where to get it done asap please!

    Most TV's have the tuner board mounted on the main circuit board nowadays, it's probably not advisable to do it yourself unless you're comfortable with electronics.
    Short of taking the TV to a repair store and requesting it be done, kick it until it doesn't work. :pac:


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    #37
    Bruthal
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,422 ✭✭✭✭Bruthal


    Unless you have nothing else in the house such as sky, ntl etc, and you only use the tv for watching dvd`s and gaming, removing the tuner wont exempt you from the licence anyway.

    During next year, the analogue signal will be switched off, and so there will be a high percentage of tv`s unable to tune terrestrial channels anyway. So tv`s in offices used solely for work related video playing etc, would then be exempt. But maybe it will be a media licence by then, if not already.

    Why not just rename it with its real name, the RTE tax.


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    #38
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,301 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    robbie7730 wrote: »
    Why not just rename it with its real name, the RTE tax.
    While RTÉ get the bulk of the money, other channels and producers do get a proportion.


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    #39
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,855 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1988/en/act/pub/0019/sec0002.html#sec2
    “‘apparatus for wireless telegraphy’ means apparatus capable of emitting and receiving, or emitting only or receiving only, over paths which are not provided by any material substance constructed or arranged for that purpose, electric, magnetic or electro-magnetic energy, of a frequency not exceeding 3 million megahertz, whether or not such energy serves the conveying (whether they are actually received or not) of communications, sounds, signs, visual images or signals, or the actuation or control of machinery or apparatus, and includes any part of such apparatus, or any article capable of being used as part of such apparatus, and also includes any other apparatus which is associated with, or electrically coupled to, apparatus capable of so emitting such energy”; and


    “‘wireless telegraphy’ means the emitting and receiving, or emitting only or receiving only, over paths which are not provided by any material substance constructed or arranged for that purpose, of electric, magnetic or electromagnetic energy of a frequency not exceeding 3 million megahertz, whether or not such energy serves the conveying (whether they are actually received or not) of communications, sounds, signs, visual images or signals, or the actuation or control of machinery or apparatus.”.


    “Television set” means any apparatus for wireless telegraphy capable of receiving and exhibiting television programmes broadcast for general reception (whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on the use of anything else in conjunction therewith) and any assembly comprising such apparatus and other apparatus.


    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2009/en/act/pub/0018/sec0140.html
    “ television set ” means any electronic apparatus capable of receiving and exhibiting television broadcasting services broadcast for general reception (whether or not its use for that purpose is dependent on the use of anything else in conjunction with it) and any software or assembly comprising such apparatus and other apparatus;

    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2009/en/si/0319.html
    Portable devices under 160 square cm are exempt ( ie ~ 16cmx10cm ~7.5" screen - so most netbooks and tablets would need a license if they had a USB tuner - an old eeecp 700 might be okish)

    From what I understand a TV with a broken connector could be used as an excuse in the UK but here in ROI a set has to beyond a quick repair , it has to be decomissioned. "or any article capable of being used as part of such apparatus"


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    #40
    PCPhoto
    Registered Users Posts: 6,584 ✭✭✭PCPhoto


    Can someone assist me here ... trying to settle a bet.

    Do the TV Licence laws need to be re-written ? Yes/No

    At the moment the laws essentially comes down to if you have the capacity to receive a TV signal you must purchase a TV licence.
    Every household, business or institution in Ireland with a television or equipment capable of receiving a television signal (using an aerial, satellite dish, cable or other means) must have a television licence

    Quote taken from here

    anyway - my point is that smart phones these days are capable of receiving a TV signal thus meaning that anyone who owns a smart phone should (in theory) have to purchase a TV licence. !


    I say that the laws may be re-written to allow for a subsection mobile TV licence - my friend says they cant expect people to purchase a TV licence for having a phone !! (thus meaning that the law as it stands is fundamentally flawed)


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    #41
    draiochtanois
    Registered Users Posts: 2,655 ✭✭✭draiochtanois


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    #42
    BrianD
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    draiochtanois wrote: »
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    How is it a double taxation? Why sell Donnybrook?

    Why sell the stations?

    It is possible that they could have a different licence for mobiles. Other alternatives COULD be - to access content you have to register in advance with your TV licence number, the ISP forces you to register in advance to be able to watch TV or the ISP charges you a licence fee which they pass on to RTE.

    Possible options of which some are more practical than others. But any body who thinks that there is "free access to all content" because it's on the Internet is on a hiding to nowhere. Look at the 3 strikes here, the laws in the UK and including having to opt in to view porn that was announced this week and in Australia there is a Chinese style "firewall" in action.


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    #43
    Paulw
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 13,381 Mod ✭✭✭✭Paulw


    PCPhoto wrote: »
    anyway - my point is that smart phones these days are capable of receiving a TV signal thus meaning that anyone who owns a smart phone should (in theory) have to purchase a TV licence. !

    A smart-phone can display a data download, but can't receive a TV signal. There is no tuner function on a phone, only a media player.

    So, no license is required, would be my view. ;)


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    #44
    draiochtanois
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    #45
    slimjimmc
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    PCPhoto wrote: »
    At the moment the laws essentially comes down to if you have the capacity to receive a TV signal you must purchase a TV licence.
    Actually that quote is not quite accurate, it must be capable of receiving and displaying a TV broadcast before requiring a licence.
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1972/en/act/pub/0005/sec0001.html
    Paulw wrote: »
    A smart-phone can display a data download, but can't receive a TV signal. There is no tuner function on a phone, only a media player.

    So, no license is required, would be my view. ;)
    Even if it did have a TV tuner it would be exempt because it is portable with a viewing area less than 160cm2.
    http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/2009/en/si/0319.html


    So, no a smartphone does not need a TV licence.


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    #46
    BrianD
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭BrianD


    draiochtanois wrote: »
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    Nonsense, you are not paying for it twice. The amount is a licence not a tax.
    Because even now it is some of the most expensive land in the country and a scaled down and modern media service don't need this much space

    Irrelevant and notional. Quite a chunk of the "campus" is open space anyway. Land prices will rise and fall. The amount of money that the site would bring in is a blip in the grand scheme of things. Most of it would go in relocation. Nothing to be gained.
    Because we don't need two channels and two stations to broadcast syndicated material from the UK and US
    You can argue that with any public broadcaster, All show a mix of domestic and imported material. It's about choice.
    I'm fine with the subvention to TG4 both in scale and what they achieve with it. Half a million for "presenters" though is not required.

    I would agree that some RTE staff are considerably overpaid and need adjustment. However, they will always be appear to be overpaid because they bring in the audience.


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    #47
    Captain Chaos
    Registered Users Posts: 11,174 ✭✭✭✭Captain Chaos


    It is a tax,

    Either
    1: Call it a TV tax and leave it as it is.

    or

    2: Call it a licence and change the law that, if you use it , you pay for it. (ie you can own a TV just for gaming and watching content on HDD and not pay the licence fee)


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    #48
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,676 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    The license is a tax by the government to prop up a semi-state organisation which has outlived whatever relevance it might have had.


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    #49
    GerardKeating
    Registered Users Posts: 7,549 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    draiochtanois wrote: »
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    By this Argument, the fee for a Passport, Driving Licence etc is a double tax,


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    #50
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,301 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    GerardKeating wrote: »
    By this Argument, the fee for a Passport, Driving Licence etc is a double tax,
    As would VAT, CAT, CGT, stamp duty ...

    I do disgree that it isn't quite a tax as it is only required by those who own TVs and is payable whether one uses the TV or not.


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    #51
    Our man in Havana
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    Remove the tuner and get rid of anything that can accept a tv signal.


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    #52
    Agent Smith
    Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 21,502 Mod ✭✭✭✭Agent Smith


    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    Remove the tuner and get rid of anything that can accept a tv signal.


    I was pondering this



    If I dont have a TV, Say, a 50 inch Monitor. And Have a UPC box, connected via VGA, (for example) would a TV license be needed?


    No TV signal is being received over the air...


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    #53
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    And Have a UPC box
    You need a licence. Sat and cable tv is covered by the licence.

    Removing the tuner is only viable for people who only watch DVDs.


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    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,301 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Our man in Havana wrote: »
    Removing the tuner is only viable for people who only watch DVDs.
    CD, games, video cassettes?


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    #55
    draiochtanois
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    #56
    emanresu
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    draiochtanois wrote: »
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    Actually you don't have to have a tv licence if you own a tv.
    For example, if you are sharing a house and one of the other tenants has a tv licence for that address, or if you are renting a room from a house owner with a tv licence.


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    #57
    Our man in Havana
    Closed Accounts Posts: 29,476 ✭✭✭✭Our man in Havana


    Victor wrote: »
    CD, games, video cassettes?
    Exactly. :)


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    #58
    KTRIC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,463 ✭✭✭KTRIC


    I've just cancelled my UPC tv service and i'm about to remove the tuner from my tv and stick it in a static bag for future use :D

    If the appliance started off life as a television set is there anything that needs to be done to prove it no longer can receive a tv signal ?? how is this proven to the powers that be that its just a monitor ?


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    #59
    shaneybaby
    Registered Users Posts: 415 ✭✭shaneybaby


    KTRIC wrote: »
    I've just cancelled my UPC tv service and i'm about to remove the tuner from my tv and stick it in a static bag for future use :D

    If the appliance started off life as a television set is there anything that needs to be done to prove it no longer can receive a tv signal ?? how is this proven to the powers that be that its just a monitor ?

    Engineers report, that's only from hearing Judge Zaiden (!?!) ask for one in Naas a few years ago.


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    #60
    Tomk1
    Registered Users Posts: 776 ✭✭✭Tomk1


    GerardKeating wrote: »
    By this Argument, the fee for a Passport, Driving Licence etc is a double tax,

    You have to qualify for a driving licence, which legally allows you to drive a car, it is a proof of ID and doesn't cost €160X10 yrs. Also by this logic the Car-tax should actually be called a Car-licence.

    A Passport again is proof of ID for 10? yrs, just because you exist doesn't mean you need a passport.

    A TV licence is a yearly tax for ownership of a TV, not reception of Irish broadcasts (opps rte broadcasts). Btw many many years ago there was a tax for having windows..daylight robbery, this is just a different part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

    Next I suppose tobe fair it should be; the bigger the TV the bigger the fee, Why should someone with a 19" screen pay the same for someone with a 52" screen?


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    #61
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,301 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Tomk1 wrote: »
    there was a tax for having windows..daylight robbery
    :pac:


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