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D14Rugby · 26-04-2018 07:40PM

Buer wrote: »

It's being in Ireland for a semester but f*cking off as soon as you get the course you really wanted back home.

That's not what it is at all, not even close.

Bazzo · 26-04-2018 07:45PM

D14Rugby wrote: »

That's not what it is at all, not even close.

Yeah

It's the current head coach of the Springboks and former Munster director of rugby.

prawnsambo · 26-04-2018 07:53PM

Bazzo wrote: »

Yeah

It's the current head coach of the Springboks and former Munster director of rugby.

No that's a Rassie. They give them out for the worst films and acting performances.

Buer · 26-04-2018 08:35PM

D14Rugby wrote: »

Buer wrote: »

It's being in Ireland for a semester but f*cking off as soon as you get the course you really wanted back home.

That's not what it is at all, not even close.

Sigh.

irishbucsfan · 26-04-2018 09:23PM

Buer wrote: »

Sigh.

Great effort to be fair, you can't account for bad taste

stellenbosch · 27-04-2018 09:56AM

irishfan9 wrote: »

I could see Silvester possibly being pulled into 7's rugby next season, but yeah if all three are playing for them next season that will be a serious back three.

Add in Brian Mollen as well-if hes available from 7s-if he is it will be Sylvester at 15 with Mollen and Hogan on wings and they will play Kelly at 13 as Michael Courtney this years captain is leaving having finished his Master in Engineering.

stellenbosch · 27-04-2018 09:59AM

irishfan9 wrote: »

named in Ireland u20 squad but never played, was part of Trinity's u20 all ireland winning team but didnt play AIL afaik.

too small for pro backrow IMO.

Had a magnificent game in U20s final-was released by Leinster sub academy-will feature in Trinity first team in UBL next season no doubt as there will be a large number leaving Trinity players leaving having finished their studies

irishfan9 · 27-04-2018 10:04AM

stellenbosch wrote: »

Had a magnificent game in U20s final-was released by Leinster sub academy-will feature in Trinity first team in UBL next season no doubt as there will be a large number leaving Trinity players leaving having finished their studies

yeah no surprise he was released..

Wegians89 · 27-04-2018 10:08AM

irishfan9 wrote: »

named in Ireland u20 squad but never played, was part of Trinity's u20 all ireland winning team but didnt play AIL afaik.

too small for pro backrow IMO.

Out of curiosity what sort of height and build would he be? I wouldn’t be too worried about having a short 7

irishfan9 · 27-04-2018 10:11AM

Wegians89 wrote: »

Out of curiosity what sort of height and build would he be? I wouldn’t be too worried about having a short 7

listed at 5'10 91kg

Wegians89 · 27-04-2018 10:23AM

irishfan9 wrote: »

listed at 5'10 91kg

Chris cloete is proof height is something you can work around. He’d probably have to add a few kg on

irishfan9 · 27-04-2018 10:45AM

Wegians89 wrote: »

Chris cloete is proof height is something you can work around. He’d probably have to add a few kg on

cloete is a saffer they are built differently and also he is an exception.

prawnsambo · 27-04-2018 11:04AM

irishfan9 wrote: »

cloete is a saffer they are built differently and also he is an exception.

You make them sound like lego sets.

Openside flankers come in all shapes and sizes. There are a fair few under six foot tall that have been very successful: Steffon Armitage, Michael Hooper and George Smith come to mind.

Bazzo · 27-04-2018 11:15AM

prawnsambo wrote: »

You make them sound like lego sets.

Openside flankers come in all shapes and sizes. There are a fair few under six foot tall that have been very successful: Steffon Armitage, Michael Hooper and George Smith come to mind.

Yeah, you've never really had to be tall to be a 7, it can be an advantage to be shorter when jackaling with a lower centre of gravity. You do need to have the frame to put enough enough weight to be able to survive the clearout and not be run over in defence though.

RugbyRugby2016 · 02-05-2018 12:46PM

See the independent article on St Michael (another one!) says Ryan Baird, Dunne, Byrne and Penny are going into the academy next season?
https://www.independent.ie/sport/rugby/leinster-rugby/leinster-school-attracting-overseas-interest-over-how-they-are-producing-so-many-irish-rugby-stars-36866387.html

irishfan9 · 02-05-2018 12:53PM

no surprise on Dunne/Byrne.

Baird/Penny being fast tracked isn't that surprising either.

Interested to see what they do with Cormac Daly and Charlie Ryan.

Could they take 3 or even 4 2nd rows in the same class?

RugbyRugby2016 · 02-05-2018 12:57PM

Agreed that its not too surprising. Seems like leinster are departing from the policy of making even the most promising of players spend one year in the sub academy.

irishfan9 · 02-05-2018 01:00PM

RugbyRugby2016 wrote: »

Agreed that its not too surprising. Seems like leinster are departing from the policy of making even the most promising of players spend one year in the sub academy.

eh they only had the policy for about two seasons..

long history of players joining straight from school.

BigJimV · 02-05-2018 01:19PM

does this encourage players from other schools (Terenure, Gonzaga etc) to go to Michaels if they want to go pro? most of the smaller schools (CBC, Andrews, Pres Bray, Castleknock etc) are nowhere near the program going on in Michaels right now and will probably never be.

irishfan9 · 02-05-2018 01:21PM

BigJimV wrote: »

does this encourage players from other schools (Terenure, Gonzaga etc) to go to Michaels if they want to go pro? most of the smaller schools (CBC, Andrews, Pres Bray, Castleknock etc) are nowhere near the program going on in Michaels right now and will probably never be.

as in go to Michaels in 1st year?

transferring after that.. i don't see happening..

you can still go to those schools and make it...

irishfan9 · 02-05-2018 01:30PM

Told Cormac Daly also joining leinster academy.

Incoming class:

Jack Dunne(2nd Row) - St. Michaels/DUFC
Cormac Daly(2nd Row) - North Kildare RFC/Clontarf
Ryan Baird(2nd Row) - St. Michaels
Scott Penny(Openside) - St. Michaels
Harry Byrne(Outhalf) - St. Michaels/UCD

D14Rugby · 02-05-2018 01:32PM

BigJimV wrote: »

does this encourage players from other schools (Terenure, Gonzaga etc) to go to Michaels if they want to go pro? most of the smaller schools (CBC, Andrews, Pres Bray, Castleknock etc) are nowhere near the program going on in Michaels right now and will probably never be.

You might get some but to send a kid to a certain school considering how early you have to apply for these schools just in the hope they not only enjoy rugby but are really good at it would be very wishful thinking, that's even excluding other factors like the schools denomination, family history, travel, etc.

The Lost Sheep · 02-05-2018 02:34PM

BigJimV wrote: »

does this encourage players from other schools (Terenure, Gonzaga etc) to go to Michaels if they want to go pro? most of the smaller schools (CBC, Andrews, Pres Bray, Castleknock etc) are nowhere near the program going on in Michaels right now and will probably never be.

No. The best will be seen wherever they come from. And the 20 month rule(an excellent thing) will stop many from moving schools or from youths rugby going to a small number of schools like Michaels or whoever else

Ayewserious · 02-05-2018 03:21PM

irishfan9 wrote: »

Told Cormac Daly also joining leinster academy.

Incoming class:

Jack Dunne(2nd Row) - St. Michaels/DUFC
Cormac Daly(2nd Row) - North Kildare RFC/Clontarf
Ryan Baird(2nd Row) - St. Michaels
Scott Penny(Openside) - St. Michaels
Harry Byrne(Outhalf) - St. Michaels/UCD

Surley theres more?

irishfan9 · 02-05-2018 03:23PM

Ayewserious wrote: »

Surley theres more?

yeah, that's just what i've heard so far.

Dubinusa · 02-05-2018 03:27PM

Is Baird as bi g as Dunne?

irishfan9 · 02-05-2018 03:37PM

Dubinusa wrote: »

Is Baird as bi g as Dunne?

Not as tall no.

Dunne is 6'7 but closer to 6'8 than 6'6.

While Baird and Daly are 6'6.

FrannoFan · 02-05-2018 04:16PM

BigJimV wrote: »

does this encourage players from other schools (Terenure, Gonzaga etc) to go to Michaels if they want to go pro? most of the smaller schools (CBC, Andrews, Pres Bray, Castleknock etc) are nowhere near the program going on in Michaels right now and will probably never be.

The coaching across all the top 6 and league schools is excellent. The gap between top league and big 6 wasn't big (gerrards ran rock close to a 2 point gap which was more than belvo did in the final) gonzaga similar against the other finalist belvo in early round.

All these schools provide excellent coaching s&c as well as video analysis. It helps stand out in a bigger school as you might progress further in cup and get noticed but to make it now you need to be a physical freak.
The spread of schools represented by leinster goes to show if you are good enough you will make it.
Andrews
Gonzaga
Castleknock
Wesley
Roscrea
Etc all have players breaking through to pro game

Muligatawney · 02-05-2018 04:53PM

irishfan9 wrote: »

Told Cormac Daly also joining leinster academy.

Incoming class:

Jack Dunne(2nd Row) - St. Michaels/DUFC
Cormac Daly(2nd Row) - North Kildare RFC/Clontarf
Ryan Baird(2nd Row) - St. Michaels
Scott Penny(Openside) - St. Michaels
Harry Byrne(Outhalf) - St. Michaels/UCD

Can any of those second rows, and Dowling, play 6/8?

irishfan9 · 02-05-2018 04:55PM

Muligatawney wrote: »

Can any of those second rows, and Dowling, play 6/8?

dowling can play 6.

why?

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